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[Aesieru]

Well they are aligned with EA now...



EA has always been the way to kill things... just look at Command & Conquer (Red Alert 3, somewhat C&C3 and of course the abomination that was C&C 4) and any other brand they've bought. The license for Bioware is lucrative so I doubt they'll mess with it too much, but I thought that about C&C as well...

[DarkSpider88]

I thought people pirated games because they are cheap a**holes?

[Aesieru]

Archereon wrote...

Rincewindthethird wrote...

Archangelus.be wrote...

Played the demo on PC and pretty much all my fears have come true.

Why is there no isometric view?
The isometric view is superhandy to travel long distances on a map (e.g. through a city to go sell stuff, through a forest you've already cleared,...) and also allows you to place/target area effect spells a lot better than the current 3rd person camera does. If you want proper tactical combat on a PC, isometric is pretty much the best view possible.

Not only is the top-down view gone, the most zoomed out camera view is pretty much unusable. You can't use it to look around corners/obstacles like you would with a isometric view, it is very hard to guess the exact placement of your spells, and the camera angle/distance is way too low/small.

It gets even worse when there is a height difference in the map, like for example the stairs at the end of the demo.
Instead of zooming out, staying in the same relative position to your character, the camera seems to be locked at a fixed height. As a consequence your char basically runs out of the picture...

Why is this warrior/rogue/mage fighting like some emo kid from Devil May Cry?
In the first game weapons seemed to have a realistic weight, size and resulting style of fighting: daggers were quick and nimble, sword and shield let you balance offense and defense, while 2handers were big massive crushers.

In this game this warrior is running around with a huge 2h sword, swinging it around in one hand like it is made out of cardboard. And not only is he swinging it around as if it is a plastic toy, the combat moves are way too fast and they look like they got ripped from Ninja Gaiden or some other action game with flashy over the top attacks.

I can understand the need for closing/charge moves on the melee classes, but if you just let Carver do a Scythe move (i think that is what its called) you'll get flashbacks of Dante or some other mediocre action game or JRPG.



Of course we all know the answer to my questions above: virulent consolitis.
Other symptoms include: oversimplified everything and an ugly interface that looks like it came straight out of Mass Effect.

Its so sad to see the "revamp of the classic PC RPG" philosophy thrown out the window after only 1 game.

Congratulations for burning your PC legacy behind you BioWare. Now you are free to go make mediocre console games. Tell Epic Entertainment the PC gamers said 'hi'.

Quoted for truth.

Fast battles no or little strategy involved and I absolutely hate the combat animation for all the classes.
That's just my personal opinion.

We can only hope nightmare is significantly harder.  If I can face roll on nightmare, I think I'm going to opt not to purchase the game (gonna rent it first, that's how dire this is), then tell all my friends to pirate it.  (not that they wouldn't be doing that already...Pirate culture is like that, people "steal" games they don't like just to spite the company that makes it.)

That's not entirely true, and stealing the game doesn't really spite the company as all press is good press.

In any case, torrenting was a lot of times used to try out games to see if they were worthy of buying, sometimes they aren't, but trying to hurt Bioware like that will go largely unnoticed and is just insulting.

Chances are also true that you'll probably like the game after you torrent it and then well... will buy it.

I wouldn't rent it for console, I've already pre-purchased for PC and I want it for the PC not console...

BUT... I'm not so sure about the differentiation between the platforms.

[obie191970]

Savber100 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

From what I have read, the combat speed has been reduced a little for the final release.  Still faster than DAO, but not at breakneck like the demo.  The demo is from a build that's old and hopefully those transitions have been cleaned up as well.

Source please.

For the speed - I'm not going through the 200 pages to find it - Someone linked to Laidlaw talking about it.  Might have been during the 30 minute Q&A he did.

For the demo build -

JohnEpler wrote...

Usually (and in this case), a demo build is a few montsh old - once we have a build that's stable, we stick with it simply because you need to test it heavily to make sure it doesn't crash and if you keep switching builds, you aren't given the time to do that.

[Muddlehead]

ArawnNox wrote...
I've seen some people mention that the demo is based off an earlier version of the game, and this seems to be what was shown back at E3. So I'm hardly going to make judgment calls on graphical glitches and interface bugs on something that is clearly far and away from the final product.

That may indeed be so, but in that case why have they produced a demo which doesn't actually demonstrate the game to its best effect?

Perhaps along with the mandatory warnings at the beginning there should be something along the lines of "Warning: what you're about to experience does not reflect the actual product in terms of graphics, interface and gameplay."

I find it incomprehensible that a company which is presumably trying to drum up business is, if you're correct, using as advertising material something cobbled together from an obsolete development mockup, rather than releasing something that shows the product to its best advantage.

Modifié par Muddlehead, 24 février 2011 - 09:03 .

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

To be honest, i'm still not sure what to make of the demo (360). It still felt like Dragon Age in spirit, but I almost felt as if I was playing a Dynasty Warriors game on a few ocassions. I think playing the full game on a higher difficulty would be a must, as in this demo there was never a need to swap around with the other party members, or a need to pause the game and come up with a strategy to defeat the enemies. It felt as if all I was doing was running around alot and mashing the x button. Certainly DA2 is nothing like any other Bioware game i've played - the comparisons with the Mass Effect games especially is a strange one to me.



Graphically it does look a little better than Origins (on the xbox at least) - the styling is unusual and will take some getting used to, but I don't dislike it. The combat style is faster paced, but it doesn't look right to me. It seems to be trying to be flashy for the sake of it and it seems a little silly to me.



A demo is a demo though, and although i'm not convinced with the direction that DA2 has gone from Origins, i'll give the full game a chance. After all, alot of the functions were locked in the demo so I've not seen everything the game has to offer yet.

[DC1to1]

Archangelus.be wrote...

Played the demo on PC and pretty much all my fears have come true.

Why is there no isometric view?
The isometric view is superhandy to travel long distances on a map (e.g. through a city to go sell stuff, through a forest you've already cleared,...) and also allows you to place/target area effect spells a lot better than the current 3rd person camera does. If you want proper tactical combat on a PC, isometric is pretty much the best view possible.

Not only is the top-down view gone, the most zoomed out camera view is pretty much unusable. You can't use it to look around corners/obstacles like you would with a isometric view, it is very hard to guess the exact placement of your spells, and the camera angle/distance is way too low/small.

It gets even worse when there is a height difference in the map, like for example the stairs at the end of the demo.
Instead of zooming out, staying in the same relative position to your character, the camera seems to be locked at a fixed height. As a consequence your char basically runs out of the picture...

Why is this warrior/rogue/mage fighting like some emo kid from Devil May Cry?
In the first game weapons seemed to have a realistic weight, size and resulting style of fighting: daggers were quick and nimble, sword and shield let you balance offense and defense, while 2handers were big massive crushers.

In this game this warrior is running around with a huge 2h sword, swinging it around in one hand like it is made out of cardboard. And not only is he swinging it around as if it is a plastic toy, the combat moves are way too fast and they look like they got ripped from Ninja Gaiden or some other action game with flashy over the top attacks.

I can understand the need for closing/charge moves on the melee classes, but if you just let Carver do a Scythe move (i think that is what its called) you'll get flashbacks of Dante or some other mediocre action game or JRPG.



Of course we all know the answer to my questions above: virulent consolitis.
Other symptoms include: oversimplified everything and an ugly interface that looks like it came straight out of Mass Effect.

Its so sad to see the "revamp of the classic PC RPG" philosophy thrown out the window after only 1 game.

Congratulations for burning your PC legacy behind you BioWare. Now you are free to go make mediocre console games. Tell Epic Entertainment the PC gamers said 'hi'.

You get the award sir!! 
I set up an account just to express my displeasure with the unrealistic fighting style (Everything is secondary when compared to this). In short,  It’s very cartoonish/unrealistic: it disengaged me from the world that Bioware created. --See Demon's souls combat as a referential example of combat perfection (but agreeable at a much slower pass than preferred DA).   The only skill that I can tolerate in the demo is the mage.
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By the way.  I love Mass Effect 2 (please do not change the formula) Small adjustment/improvements are always welcomed.  But unnecessary cartoonish combat that does not fit the world should be avoided.

[Archereon]

Aesieru: I don't pirate games, there's no point (if you like the game, your being an arse, if not, it's not going to make a difference). But it makes game companies rage, so I make sure those of my peers who torrent games know about the games I don't like. Plus, I don't have a good enough computer to play in on PC, and will have to stick with console.


Don't knock the power of piracy that much.  It turned decent games
like ACII into cluster ****s, and gave rise to that abomination known as
"DLC that should have been in the main game", which, inevitably gets
cracked and torrented.  it's also the main
reason EA is switching over to mutliplayer games, it's one of the only
true and tested ways to prevent pirates on PCs.  

Hilariously, absolutely none of this works, and with the exception of mutliplayer, it generally makes it worse.  Waiting 5 days for a torrent is amazing for most high profile games, including ACII, Spore, and other DRM-heavy releases.

Modifié par Archereon, 24 février 2011 - 08:52 .

[chester013]

hotapplepie wrote...

These are the thoughts I reached during 2 playthroughs of the demo (male warrior, female mage).

- Text size/formatting too small for an SDTV 4:3 ratio. Seriously, It's next to impossible to see, I have to squint. Perhaps a text formatting option can be added to the menus on a future update? This is a HUGE barrier for me as I really cannot see myself reading any codex entries with this tiny text sizing. I suppose I will have to hook the damn 360 up to my 22 inch monitor.

- When playing through the demo w/ a warrior class, having myself, my brother and Aveline fighting at the same time, if we are positioned correctly, quite literraly 3/4 of the screen (4:3 SDTV) is being taken up by wildly flailing super human sized swords and their speed blur lines trailing behind them. I find this to be hugely visually distracting.
!

XBox 360 with a 4:3 ratio SDTV? You're missing out fella, hook it up to the 22 at least.

Back on topic though, loved the demo. Pace of the combat was excellent, especially the rogue which was just insanely fun. I hade the gfx set to medium on my PC and it still looked awesome, once i turned it up to ultra, real life looked terrible in comparison.

What put it over the edge was the fully voiced Hawke, you get that connection to the character like in Mass Effect. Great job guys, I was expecting a top notch game and you didn't dissapoint. Now I just have to avoid getting fired after march 11.

[Stan_Stare]

Hate the way it hesitated before someone said a line. Although I did play it through with DX11 which I've read has issues?



Everything else ran fine (lol as did witcher, ME1&2 etc never had crashes on my budget DIY rig). Anywayz I think the demo kind of disappointed me at first as it did feel like a console-type genre of constant attacks - but I was pleased by the end of it and wanted to play more.



Somehow, my end feeling is that I want to play it properly - with the inventory enabled before I can lay any real judgement. I love DA Origins so I'll enjoy this a bit, I'm sure...

[blothulfur]

Finally got enough hours off work to finish the demo and thought i'd share my impressions and of course my boundless modest wisdom, playing on pc and first thing is I bloody loathe how emowig hawke looks, apart from the barnet his teeth show too much when he natters and his beard looks stuck on.

Second i'll say it was a nice action packed introduction to the game when most rpgs bog you down in red tape and force you to slog through but emowig hawke being the star of the exagerated portion of varrics tale destroyed every bit of immersion and every time I kept looking at the git it irritated me.

Thirdly the combat was fast was and frantic but seemed to have less heft, whacking away on a darkspawn with a two handed sword felt kind of pathetic as it took half a dozen hits while you struck awesome poses in between or shuffled around aveline and carver to get your taps in, also I didn't see one in combat finisher or parry and they're some of my favourite things about the scrapping.

Fourth and perhaps most important the game didn't deviate from the formula of gab, scrap and loot then gab some more, I want to explore and interact with the enviroment instead of just being stuck on one path looking out over some nicely rendered wasteland or eerily quiet city where you can't examine or fiddle with anything. This makes it feel to me like exactly what it is and doesn't get me involved or intrigued.

Fifth i'll pull out a suprise, I could tolerate it and i'll be toddling down to game to grab my preorder on the eleventh because I realise this demo wasn't really catering to a story junky like me who just see's combat as a chore to finish before you get to the meat of the matter but I would say this new form of combat doesn't seem to be an improvement and some of the effects just seemed a tad silly.

I'd personally like a lot less combat overall and more interaction (not just talking) but when we do have to rumble more John Boormans excalibur combat sweaty, bloody and dirty and less of the silly combat vogueing.

There thats more words than i've spoken in my lifetime, so erm take my feedback and do with it as you will.

[klusps]

Just finished playing as an archer and it was awesome! I was impressed by how much damage an arrow does. It was also funny seeing darkspawn explode after getting hit with an arrow =D



Now when I roll a rogue, I'm not sure if I should go for archery or duel weapons. I had a fun experience with both.

[Prometheus_ts]

I am very disappointed by the demo , First of all by the New Look of the characters and the gameplay it feels like AJapanese MANGA like videogame , Id I wanted Final fantasy I'd buy that , what happened to the old RPG game like Dragon age that was the evolution of Baldurs now it a 3d arcate hack and slash WTF !
I was highly anticipating the game , just this change made me ruin the wait and btw thankyou for making the demo now I know I will have to delete my prenotation .....
Second of all all those combolike again Japanstyle bah what's happening to good games why when they come to the N2 are getting totally ****ed up? The same Happened to Crysis 2 multiplayer now even Dragonage it become a puppet like arcade game ala Japan style with those 8 handed swords and so on crap !....
An arcade shooting???
Predetermined path , no interaction , just hit and slash stuff wtf ...

Modifié par Prometheus_ts, 24 février 2011 - 08:55 .

[Kryplixx]

Is there a side by side video of male vs female character animations?

[Archereon]

Prometheus_ts wrote...

I am very disappointed by the demo , First of all by the New Look of the characters and the gameplay it feels like AJapanese MANGA like videogame , Id I wanted Final fantasy I'd buy that , what happened to the old RPG game like Dragon age that was the evolution of Baldurs now it a 3d arcate hack and slash WTF !
I was highly anticipating the game , just this change made me ruin the wait and btw thankyou for making the demo now I know I will have to delete my prenotation .....
Second of all all those combolike again Japanstyle bah what's happening to good games why when they come to the N2 are getting totally ****ed up? The same Happened to Crysis 2 multiplayer now even Dragonage it become a puppet like arcade game ala Japan style with those 8 handed swords and so on crap !....
An arcade shooting???
Predetermined path , no interaction , just hit and slash stuff wtf ...

Well, I'm not optimistic about this game, but that's just excessive.  We've just seen a brief demo, which is obviously trying to sell itself on combat rather than story.  Take in mind the fact that Dragon Age gave you a fairly predetermined path in terms of "walk this way or that way."

[chuckles471]

The moral of this forum.



Never try anything new or face the wrath of the internet.



p.s I love how everybody blames EA. The only difference to the game not having them involved would be a game with a lesser budget and one less dead space outfit.

[RhythmlessNinja]

Here's my unbiased opinion after playing the demo, bioware. Seems to be issues with DX11 (though I'm sure it's because of the demo), I play this on PC, so this new faster paced game seems a bit clunky control wise on the pc, or rather, chaotic is a better word for it? Because of the change of pace when you compared the speed of battles in Origin, don't get me wrong though I still enjoyed it but it felt similar to playing god of war RPG style. I'm on the fence about the new artsyle of the darkspawn, they seemed alot more "intimidating" as their other versions, Ogres on the other hand I like.Okay, back on subject, the new UI is much more clean, and skill tree seems like it's alot more refined than the original.That is about all I can say since pretty much everything else is locked.

All in all though, I enjoyed it alot, I didn't comment o the new wheel because it was very apparent alot of work went into this as it felt like a great addition to how you can tell when the sarcasm is coming out, anger, or kindness. Though I can tell this has taken the road of mainstream grab like ME2, I have no problem with it, I always welcome change, especially the good kind like these.

Modifié par RhythmlessNinja, 24 février 2011 - 09:11 .

[obie191970]

chuckles471 wrote...

The moral of this forum.

Never try anything new or face the wrath of the internet.

p.s I love how everybody blames EA. The only difference to the game not having them involved would be a game with a lesser budget and one less dead space outfit.

+1

[Lindera7]

 Played on the (apparently dreaded) 360

Not sure what to make of the demo. Was it fun/entertaining? Sure. Did it feel like Dragon Age? Not really.

I love, love, looooved DA:O and played through it multiple times. I liked ME2 and replayed it twice. I'm scared the voiced protagonist is gonna kill replayability a little bit for me. 

I just don't understand why they had to combine facets of ME and DA. They are both great games, but why can't they keep their individual styles? I liked them both for different reasons. 

Oh well, I'm keeping my preorder regardless. I'm sure I will like DA2, but not as much as I loved the original. 

[The Achilles]

Just took all the money off my preorder today and moved it to Skyrim. I cannot express how disappointed I am with the demo, its just terrible. Worse graphics in my opinion and its been turned into a hack and slash game, terrible move on Bioware's part. I plan on renting it through gamefly to give it one last chance, but this is definitely one of the biggest letdowns ive ever seen for a videogame.

[Tinboy]

Congratulations with your new hack 'n slash game. I will not be buying this.

[Aesieru]

Oblivion, and Fallout, and... a lot of games were my let downs... ironically most were from Bethesda.



Command & Conquer 4 is probably the biggest let down, but did anyone have any real hope for it? Red Alert 3, of course that was from EA.



What else...



It's not that BIG a let-down, and I'm keeping my ridiculously 60 dollar priced PC game pre-purchase, but still...

[rob123971]

I loved the demo! The combat was smooth and I loved the graphical changes! My only pet peeve was that the text was ridiculously small (I was playing on Xbox 360). I couldn't read a thing on the loading screen. Other than that, the game feels amazing!

Modifié par rob123971, 24 février 2011 - 09:15 .

[TheCreeper]

chuckles471 wrote...

The moral of this forum.

Never try anything new or face the wrath of the internet.

p.s I love how everybody blames EA. The only difference to the game not having them involved would be a game with a lesser budget and one less dead space outfit.

My thoughts exactly, this forum has been full of very useful info and whiny people with short memories and attention spans.

[KnightHawke]

well I.m going out on a limb here and saying I liked it for one this game was not suppose to have antthing in comon with dragon age it's suppose to be an expantion of that game to put you in the world of lothering and it's down fall from the attack of the drakspawn hord that invaded it an to meet the refugeechapion Hawke and his family and companions for feature games so that aside I liked and I for one am looking forward to my resreved copy of this game