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[T-Rock1209]

Brimleydower wrote...

Rowlf wrote...

I have to wonder whether the majority of people complaining had much of an inclination to actually buy this game in the first place. I really enjoyed the demo. It's a very unique story style that they are adopting which hopefully will make this game really stand out. Bioware aren't happy to just churn out a same old sequel and they should be applauded for sticking their neck out in this respect.

I had the highest hopes possible for this sequel.  If the demo is anything to judge by, however, the sequel is going to pale in comparison to the original.  I'm not real sure why people keep insinuating Bioware has to do anything in regards to making a game stand out.  Are they trying to distance themselves from their own formulae?  All of the Infinity Engine Games, the NWNs, KOTOR, and so on... these are all very distinctive games that stand out above other RPGs on the market.  In fact, most of the changes made between Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 are accomplishing just the opposite: generic action-fantasy combats for the console, the abandoning of player-created characters in favor of cheesy voice actors, crude/bland/boring dialogue mechanics, and a portrayal of women that rivals DoA volleyball.

I just hope that Bioware analyzes more than the income generated by DA2.  At this point, the game's title alone will generate some sells, thanks to how amazing the first Dragon Age was. 

So you're saying that Bioware is abandoning all of it's roots based on 4 conversations heard from a demo and the presence of large breasts? I can't take comments like this seriously until the real game comes out. Bioware is known for several things-- story telling and character interaction. That is at the heart of every single one of their biggest hits. How can you judge that from a 40 minute demo that obviously focused on showcasing the new combat mechanics?

[cabbagesoup]

obie191970 wrote...

Kanten wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Diddie wrote...

You will not find a PC player that is happy with the game full stop! not if they have played RPG's like i have over the years. I am a 38 yr old man and have played the best of the. Dragon age origins struck me as superb, right up there with baldurs. This has literally done my head in playing this demo...... cant understand it..........

The demo can be played just as tactically as you played DAO.  The difference is that people now have an option for a more direct approach.

Just as tactically how? Darkspawn still pop like balloons in 2 seconds, there is virtually no point to any of it. Tactical controls are basically a glamour thing in DA2.

It was the same way on Normal mode in DAO - Which required zero tactics.  If you spend the time to really look at the skill trees, there's some great stuff in there and there are going to be some awesome cross class combinations.   Ramp up the difficulty a little bit and what we'll get is a faster paced DAO.

WRONG
You people who keep claiming that DAO had no tactics in normal difficulty apparently didn't play the whole game or
maybe you played the console version which as I understand was more action fighting than tactical.There were many battles where you had to pause the game and give each of you party a deliberate command.

I played it on hard and normal and I know someone who is playing it on normal now and he is in the middle of the game and suddenly has to pause it and think about what kind of action each of his party members will have to take.

[Yrkoon]

Salaciouschicken wrote...

Seriously, the people who like the demo seem to be far more zealous than those who dislike it.

LOL

What thread are you reading?

Over the past 200 pages I've seen people:
 
1) proclaim the death of  Bioware
2) cancel their pre-orders
3) lament about the tragic state of the RPG genre
4) Urge everyone to jump ship and go to the Witcher boards to be "educated"
5) Urge people who actually liked the demo  to "go f*ck themselves", or "grow up" or, "Go play a jrpg" or "go play call of duty"  or  simply "go away".
6) Proudly announce that they're Graphic designers and that by their professional prognostication, Bioware has committed the ultimate sin.
7) Gleefully toss out make-believe statistics that "prove" that Bioware has intentionally alienated 3.2 million Dragon Age Fans.

All  because of a friggin DEMO.    The Nerdrage-fueled hyperbole on this thread is the biggest I've seen since Fox cancelled the X-files.

[Deadmac]

Yrkoon wrote...
...Proudly announce that they're Graphic designers and that by their professional prognostication, Bioware has committed the ultimate sin.

Where did I say it was a sin? I said it was a conceptual mess. I also said that I respected and understood the oposite spectrim of opinions.

Modifié par Deadmac, 25 février 2011 - 02:10 .

[Scandigeek]

Kerethos_ wrote...


This skyrim trailer?

... sorry, couldn't help myself when I read "geekgasm".

No, This one.  What makes this unique, it's the first time we actually see dragons in the Elder Scrolls. 

As for yours....

I would give it the viking stamp of approval, but I can't find a post pics button....

[HawXV2]

Brimleydower wrote...

Rowlf wrote...

I have to wonder whether the majority of people complaining had much of an inclination to actually buy this game in the first place. I really enjoyed the demo. It's a very unique story style that they are adopting which hopefully will make this game really stand out. Bioware aren't happy to just churn out a same old sequel and they should be applauded for sticking their neck out in this respect.

I had the highest hopes possible for this sequel.  If the demo is anything to judge by, however, the sequel is going to pale in comparison to the original.  I'm not real sure why people keep insinuating Bioware has to do anything in regards to making a game stand out.  Are they trying to distance themselves from their own formulae?  All of the Infinity Engine Games, the NWNs, KOTOR, and so on... these are all very distinctive games that stand out above other RPGs on the market.  In fact, most of the changes made between Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 are accomplishing just the opposite: generic action-fantasy combats for the console, the abandoning of player-created characters in favor of cheesy voice actors, crude/bland/boring dialogue mechanics, and a portrayal of women that rivals DoA volleyball.

I just hope that Bioware analyzes more than the income generated by DA2.  At this point, the game's title alone will generate some sells, thanks to how amazing the first Dragon Age was. 

It has been said time and time again that the only woman with large breasts is Isabella! How many times must this be said?! And you still get to create a character. Idk what you mean in that regard. The VA isn't heesy! It's fantastic!

[errant_knight]

Yrkoon wrote...

Salaciouschicken wrote...

Seriously, the people who like the demo seem to be far more zealous than those who dislike it.

LOL

What thread are you reading?

Over the past 200 pages I've seen people:
 
1) proclaim the death of  Bioware
2) cancel their pre-orders
3) lament about the tragic state of the RPG genre
4) Urge everyone to jump ship and go to the Witcher boards to be "educated"
5) Urge people who actually liked the demo  to "go f*ck themselves", or "grow up" or, "Go play a jrpg" or "go play call of duty"  or  simply "go away".
6) Proudly announce that they're Graphic designers and that by their professional prognostication, Bioware has committed the ultimate sin.
7) Gleefully toss out make-believe statistics that "prove" that Bioware has intentionally alienated 3.2 million Dragon Age Fans.

All  because of a friggin DEMO.    The Nerdrage-fueled hyperbole on this thread is the biggest I've seen since Fox cancelled the X-files.

Really? Because I could have sworn that a whole lot of the nerdrage hyperbole was coming from you.

[TheGrizzly01]

i am stunned at the amount of negatives read so far.

Sure it steers away from the original we all loved but what some may like others may not and both versions of the game had that for me as I am sure it did many others. I have friends who hated the first one, but love this one. Admitingly I was on the fence when I played it for the first time but having just finished my 9th run I cant wait for the release. As I pointed out earlier in a previous post, it has the feel of Age of Conan and I played that until Warhammer came out. Combat is very similiar as are the graphics. 

People are complaing that it is not realistic to jump back 10 ft thru the air or take massive hits from ogres. But it's not possible to get hit multiple times by a dagger, sword or arrow without dieing and I personally dont know anyone who can shoot fire out of your hands. It is called a fantasy game for a reason.

[Rowlf]

Well I guess you can qualify me as a casual gamer. Haven't got a history of playing the early Bioware games. I have played the Mass Effect series and of course DA:O which I absolutely loved. Action games are really not what I enjoy at all apart from maybe Call of Duty occasionally. The most important thing to me is the story and this looks really solid in the game. Am thankful the likelihood is we will be fighting less Darkspawn because they have been done to death in the original game and DLC.



I'm not looking to bash people for their opinions it's just been a bit of a shock just how much negative feedback there has been on these threads. I'm sure it's been mentioned but PC Gamer have given it a 94% and very positive reviews have been filtering through.

[Yrkoon]

errant_knight wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Salaciouschicken wrote...

Seriously, the people who like the demo seem to be far more zealous than those who dislike it.

LOL

What thread are you reading?

Over the past 200 pages I've seen people:
 
1) proclaim the death of  Bioware
2) cancel their pre-orders
3) lament about the tragic state of the RPG genre
4) Urge everyone to jump ship and go to the Witcher boards to be "educated"
5) Urge people who actually liked the demo  to "go f*ck themselves", or "grow up" or, "Go play a jrpg" or "go play call of duty"  or  simply "go away".
6) Proudly announce that they're Graphic designers and that by their professional prognostication, Bioware has committed the ultimate sin.
7) Gleefully toss out make-believe statistics that "prove" that Bioware has intentionally alienated 3.2 million Dragon Age Fans.

All  because of a friggin DEMO.    The Nerdrage-fueled hyperbole on this thread is the biggest I've seen since Fox cancelled the X-files.

Really? Because I could have sworn that a whole lot of the nerdrage hyperbole was coming from you.

No, it hasn't.  At all.

[Brimleydower]

T-Rock1209 wrote...

Brimleydower wrote...

Rowlf wrote...

I have to wonder whether the majority of people complaining had much of an inclination to actually buy this game in the first place. I really enjoyed the demo. It's a very unique story style that they are adopting which hopefully will make this game really stand out. Bioware aren't happy to just churn out a same old sequel and they should be applauded for sticking their neck out in this respect.

I had the highest hopes possible for this sequel.  If the demo is anything to judge by, however, the sequel is going to pale in comparison to the original.  I'm not real sure why people keep insinuating Bioware has to do anything in regards to making a game stand out.  Are they trying to distance themselves from their own formulae?  All of the Infinity Engine Games, the NWNs, KOTOR, and so on... these are all very distinctive games that stand out above other RPGs on the market.  In fact, most of the changes made between Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 are accomplishing just the opposite: generic action-fantasy combats for the console, the abandoning of player-created characters in favor of cheesy voice actors, crude/bland/boring dialogue mechanics, and a portrayal of women that rivals DoA volleyball.

I just hope that Bioware analyzes more than the income generated by DA2.  At this point, the game's title alone will generate some sells, thanks to how amazing the first Dragon Age was. 

So you're saying that Bioware is abandoning all of it's roots based on 4 conversations heard from a demo and the presence of large breasts? I can't take comments like this seriously until the real game comes out. Bioware is known for several things-- story telling and character interaction. That is at the heart of every single one of their biggest hits. How can you judge that from a 40 minute demo that obviously focused on showcasing the new combat mechanics?

I'm willing to bet you enjoy Fox News.  I'm saying Bioware has taken a step that leads down a different path that does not interest me at all.  The dialogue system has been boiled down into 3 one-dimensional character choices for every situation (choices that often times are not even remotely represented by Hawke's reponse). Do you think Hawke's sister, mother, Flemeth, or Isabela's chest are going to deflate between now and the release?  They're not.  They distract from the actual game (and not in the OMG BEWBS way, but the this is ridiculous way).  I'd be just as put off if all of the male characters had soda-can bulges running down their right thigh.

If you'll notice, I had nothing to say about the storytelling and character interaction, which forces me to wonder what you're on about.  I noted what I did not like about the game (as I've noted what I did like elsewhere in this thread) just as the opening post invited me to do. 

[Eurypterid]

Deadmac wrote...

HawXV2 wrote...

But that wasn't how they did it in Origins, either. Once again, same game, just sped up.

Untrue, "Dragon Age: Origins" did have stealth and cunning as the focus for rouges.

I wouldn't say it was the focus, but rather a focus. Rogue was the character class I liked best in DA:O and I didn't build mine for stealth. So yes, it was a possible focus for Rogues. Having said that, I don't think you should discount the possibility that it could also be a choice in DA2 as well. After all, there were a lot of talents that were locked in the demo. Who knows what's hidden under those?

[Deadmac]

Rowlf wrote...
I'm not looking to bash people for their opinions it's just been a bit of a shock just how much negative feedback there has been on these threads. I'm sure it's been mentioned but PC Gamer have given it a 94% and very positive reviews have been filtering through.

Within the new digital information age, forums expose people to the reality of the world. Before product forums existed, people felt this way in real life. We all belong to a diverse world, which can both like and dislike at the same time. Its all about personal preference. I may like the color blue, but someone may like another color.

I do understand where you are coming from. Its okay to feel diferently than everyone else, and they also have a right to feel different from me (or you). Life is made up of spectrums of like, dislikes, and other philosophies.

Modifié par Deadmac, 25 février 2011 - 02:18 .

[Shadow of Sparta]

TheSarex wrote...

LOL

It's not like devil may cry,  it feels like devil may cry, like bioware said it's instant action in a can... You guys take things too literally...

really?i guess i'm too used to linking combos when i'm playing dmc or god of war.if anything,this combat is boring compared to that but i think its appropraite for the game.it's just a simple animation repeated much faster than origins.i didn't mean to come off as serious but i can see where you coming from.the 'feel' would be subjective.i think i'll leave this thread for a while.go have some tea maybe.

Modifié par Shadow of Sparta, 25 février 2011 - 02:15 .

[cabbagesoup]

Landerk wrote...

I see alot of people complaining that their are not enough options on the chat ball thing, really in any game how many chat options do you need, I have played BG series, NWN, all the old rpg games and yes DA:O / A and sure their are times I would like to respond in a way that is not available, but have always found a choice I could deal with, I am sure it will be the same with DA2. Personally I really like the voiced character, and as far as the alignment picture in the little chat ball, if you dont like it just ignore it, dont hover over any of the chat options, use the number keys over the keyboard 1 2 or 3 and choose one, and you will never see the picture.

I played it on the PC and really enjoyed it, I was upset at first because it kept crashing, but then set it to DX9 and it played through flawlessly, I really enjoy the combat system, guess alot of ppl compare it to other game type's, but I cant really say anything there as I dont play games like devil may cry or mortal kombat, except on the rare occasion at a buddy's house on holiday's. I would like about twice the available distance on the 3rd person view, be able to scroll in and out like in DA:O, scroll in for cool combat animations, but scroll out so as to more easily see the whole battlefield.

One /cry thing I do agree with that someone else had stated was the "endowment" of all the female's in the game, I prefer small chested women, and am good with moderate chested, but am grossed out by the double dddddd's, its partly why I dont play DCUO, and it would seem that DA:2 has done it also, your sis, and isabelle look like they are ready to topple over, "carefull love, you best load down your backpack to ballance yourself, strong winds at our backs today" just wish that at least on your romance interest they would have kept it to a moderate size, I realize that going small would be bad as their are plenty of ppl who like to see the twin towers on a woman's chest, but a nice C cup would at least appease most everyone.

Anyway that said, I had originally told my buddy that I was not interested in DA:2 because I had read that you would be playing a human (I like elves) male (I like females) named hawke and you would just be living his life as told by so and so...well when I got the e-mail about the demo, and then about the movie that the beautiful fiery talented felicia day /drool is doing (I am soooo glad she is playing an elf) I took a closer look again, played the demo when it came online and really enjoyed it, and have thus pre ordered it, and am eagerly looking forward to it now.

Sounds like where you're coming from I find it very hard to believe you played and completed NWN and BG.
This game is quick easy and mindless and full of action which is very popular for the newer generation of gamers.

Also sounds like you like glittery vogue costumes and could care less about tactical combat, deep complex diologue and RPG gameplay.

Modifié par cabbagesoup, 25 février 2011 - 02:14 .

[Rockpopple]

Yrkoon wrote...

Salaciouschicken wrote...

Seriously, the people who like the demo seem to be far more zealous than those who dislike it.

LOL

What thread are you reading?

Over the past 200 pages I've seen people:
 
1) proclaim the death of  Bioware
2) cancel their pre-orders
3) lament about the tragic state of the RPG genre
4) Urge everyone to jump ship and go to the Witcher boards to be "educated"
5) Urge people who actually liked the demo  to "go f*ck themselves", or "grow up" or, "Go play a jrpg" or "go play call of duty"  or  simply "go away".
6) Proudly announce that they're Graphic designers and that by their professional prognostication, Bioware has committed the ultimate sin.
7) Gleefully toss out make-believe statistics that "prove" that Bioware has intentionally alienated 3.2 million Dragon Age Fans.

All  because of a friggin DEMO.    The Nerdrage-fueled hyperbole on this thread is the biggest I've seen since Fox cancelled the X-files.

QFT

Also, the L33tism around here is starting to really stink. I mean it's choking the air around here. "Oh you younger gamers with your fancy consoles will nevah understand what it means to play real role-playing games. And it's Leviosa, not Leviosah."

Modifié par Rockpopple, 25 février 2011 - 02:15 .

[Carmen_Willow]

Scandigeek wrote...

Kerethos_ wrote...


This skyrim trailer?

... sorry, couldn't help myself when I read "geekgasm".

No, This one.  What makes this unique, it's the first time we actually see dragons in the Elder Scrolls. 

As for yours....

I would give it the viking stamp of approval, but I can't find a post pics button....

I plan to name my first character in Skyrim "Sigrun" in honor of one of my favorite DA characters!!!

[TheSarex]

Shadow of Sparta wrote...

TheSarex wrote...

LOL

It's not like devil may cry,  it feels like devil may cry, like bioware said it's instant action in a can... You guys take things too literally...

really?i guess i'm too used to linking combos when i'm playing dmc or god of war.if anything,this combat is boring compared to that but i think its appropraite for the game.it's just a simple animation repeated much faster than origins..i didn't ean too come off as serious but i can see where you coming from.the 'feel' would be subjective.i think i'll leave this thread for a while.go have some tea maybe.

mmm tea now there's an idea...

[Crazyhobo117]

Here are my personal thoughts about the demo.

I enjoyed the new fighting layout, and the ability to switch from hack 'n' slash to the default dragon age battle style is pretty ingenious, A few nitpicks though. The biggest complaint for me are the darkspawn. To me they don't even look like darkspawn anymore. They look more like jesters wearing those silly coils around their heads, They don't seem threatening anymore. But other than that I will consider buying the game. Perhaps wait and see what other people are saying about the full retail release first.

[Brimleydower]

HawXV2 wrote...

Brimleydower wrote...

Rowlf wrote...

I have to wonder whether the majority of people complaining had much of an inclination to actually buy this game in the first place. I really enjoyed the demo. It's a very unique story style that they are adopting which hopefully will make this game really stand out. Bioware aren't happy to just churn out a same old sequel and they should be applauded for sticking their neck out in this respect.

I had the highest hopes possible for this sequel.  If the demo is anything to judge by, however, the sequel is going to pale in comparison to the original.  I'm not real sure why people keep insinuating Bioware has to do anything in regards to making a game stand out.  Are they trying to distance themselves from their own formulae?  All of the Infinity Engine Games, the NWNs, KOTOR, and so on... these are all very distinctive games that stand out above other RPGs on the market.  In fact, most of the changes made between Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 are accomplishing just the opposite: generic action-fantasy combats for the console, the abandoning of player-created characters in favor of cheesy voice actors, crude/bland/boring dialogue mechanics, and a portrayal of women that rivals DoA volleyball.

I just hope that Bioware analyzes more than the income generated by DA2.  At this point, the game's title alone will generate some sells, thanks to how amazing the first Dragon Age was. 

It has been said time and time again that the only woman with large breasts is Isabella! How many times must this be said?! And you still get to create a character. Idk what you mean in that regard. The VA isn't heesy! It's fantastic!

Are these people who time and time again say this playing the same game?  Look at your sister, and even your MOTHER on the demo.  Hell, Flemeth, the old crazy crone has a decent rack on her.  It's ridiculous!

You do not create your own character in this game, you customize an existing one.  I'm not sure how to put it more simply than that.

[Koreos]

 If I bind a combination of Alt+(a number) to one of the hotbar buttons, the hotbar just shows "Alt" (with no number). I suggest it gets tweaked to show "A(a number)" for example... "A1" for Alt+1, etc.

[Shadow of Sparta]

TheSarex wrote...

Shadow of Sparta wrote...

TheSarex wrote...

LOL

It's not like devil may cry,  it feels like devil may cry, like bioware said it's instant action in a can... You guys take things too literally...

really?i guess i'm too used to linking combos when i'm playing dmc or god of war.if anything,this combat is boring compared to that but i think its appropraite for the game.it's just a simple animation repeated much faster than origins..i didn't ean too come off as serious but i can see where you coming from.the 'feel' would be subjective.i think i'll leave this thread for a while.go have some tea maybe.

mmm tea now there's an idea...

i'm usually a coffee man but tea does make me relax.helps when you're sitting by a beach.
combat and dialogue for demo is good step to take bioware.(trying to keep on topic):innocent:

[Elvis_Mazur]

Finished playing and it was wow, just wow.



The rogue was quick and agile, and with lots of interesting powers. Not to mention every other class seems better to play than in Origins.



I can't tell anything about the dialogs and story since I played in French, a language I understand almost nothing.



The graphics are much clearer now and better in many ways.



That demo just made my day and woke up my expectations for Dragon Age 2.



Sorry, can't say much. Need to sleep, lol.

[Rockpopple]

Actually, Flemeth's breast size is the same as Hawke's, and Bethany or whatever her name is, Hawke's sister only has big breasts during the dwarf's exaggerated telling of the story, not during the normal telling. It might help if you actually pay attention to the game you're excoriating before you come here to vent.



Also, in DA:O you're still customizing an existing character in some senses. But yes, this game has a narrative and not just a nearly blank-slate Grey Warden character. Heaven forfend.

[Scandigeek]

You know, I'm not sure why Bioware is keeping this thread open anymore.  I suppose theres a few more folk out there willing to just give feedback.  But now It seems like it's just become a battle ground between those that love the demo and can't wait for the game to be out in two weeks, and those that feel like Bioware has dropped John Cleese, complete with a desk, in their laps, and are unhappy because of it. 

I'm in the unhappy, not want "something completely different" camp, but I'm pretty much done complaining about the demo, and am distracted by the christmas game with all the dragons and viking motiffs.  Besides I don't want to fight anyone.  If you like the demo, and want to buy the game, more power to you.  I ain't going to tell you how to spend your money unless your buying toxic waste or the star wars prequels. 

So um...yeah, could we all stop fighting about this?  Cause it doesn't do us or Bioware any good.  

Modifié par Scandigeek, 25 février 2011 - 03:41 .