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[EddySpeddy]

The huge jump distance makes it childish, although I like the fast movement because I like getting to places quicker xD

The combat could be improved (like the fact your sword just hits air), but I do like the fact your characters attacks feel more animated now, rather than just swinging randomely at enemies... it feels like it has style to it.

I like the fact they voice acted it, but something just doesn't seem right about it, I don't really know how to put it, it's like they've tried to turn this into Mass Effect. I like the idea of your character being voice acted, but I just didn't feel it, or at least so far, was only a Demo and there weren't a great deal of scenes, so it may get better, but that's what I felt from the demo.

[TeamLexana]

caslav wrote...

Francesca Galli wrote...

DrDestiny01 wrote...

...combat seemed to be too fast. Huge distances are covered in seconds by people wearing full armour. Silly, not realistic.

I hated the feeling I was on rails. I may have well been playing a side-scrolling game for all the choice I seemed to have about where I went. I'm hoping there's more path choice in the full game, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

The characters all jumped around the screen like crazy. They were no longer realistic people, but have become super-ninja-death-dealers. All good fun, but honestly, the Horde would have lasted about 5 seconds against an army of this lot. Darkspawn - even individually - were a fearsome commodity in DA:O. Here they're nothing.

The Art Direction too was not for me. As has been mentioned, the Lothering section seems to take place on a different planet to DA:O. The new look for the Darkspawn is less memorable, and the love of things spikey has gone into overload.

Worst of all is the adolescent design of the female characters. Are Bioware making the next DoA Beach Volleyball Game? Remember the days when Bioware would show strong women without resorting to just making them run about in their smalls? This one, single thing may stop me buying the game.

There seemed to be a move to cut down on player development choice too. The skill-set especially seems to have been butchered, but a small demo isn't really suitable for judging that.

I agree.

And I must add that I completely dislike the way dialogues are managed. I do not only have a single choice for my character's voicing: I can't even choose what she says! In DA:O I was free to choose carefully between the options and I imagined exactly the way I would speak, and what I meant with that. The whole personality of my character was in those choices and in the meaning I gave them. In DA II, when I think I will give an answer the game changes it. Often adding an amount of juvenile badassery that I find deeply irritating. Ok, the content of the sentence will be more or less the same: but the WAY you say things changes everything. I hate not having control on this. 
Also, the icons. They seem to me like some sort of shortcut for those who won't even bother to read what they're about to say. Useless and annoying.

I'm afraid dialogues will completely spoil the game for me. 

Yes, you actually had to read the lines and think about your choices...think what you would say, and think about how the people may react.... here, even figuring out that the top choice ment beeing good/bottom bad, was apparently to mind-engaging, thought-intensive, or whatever, so they made icons...for it....like in sims...

Well the icons are probably there to help with the ME type of "wtf? I didn't mean to say that" kind of situations. And they also made the example that they are there to help the player avoid "flirting with Zevran" type of situations. Which is sad because I thought the whole point of Zevran was that he'd find a way to flirt with you and twist your words around with pretty much whatever u said, lol.

[JimWarp93]

1Nosphorus1, you are right...



I'll have to add the booob thing...



But come on Bioware, what's up with all this badass-superhero-hypercool-enemies-split-in-half-f-cup-boobey attitude? We're adults...



DAO was a "mature" game (despite the blood spatter), which cared about decisions and showed us the ambivalence (and corruption) of people(s) and societies. DA2 in comparison (considering the demo and the trailers) seems to be numb and dumb...

Well, bioware still has time to convince me otherwise...

[caslav]

Dubya75 wrote...

OomGert wrote...

caslav wrote...

I think that the main reason for people reacting so passionately is that they loved Origins so much...to many it was their favorite game...
I must say, if DA2 is called "Hawke: Kirkwall Chronicles", there would be no complaints what so ever.

So true, you can't take something and change it so much but still keep it under the same name.

Errrm, yes they can. It's their franchise. Just because some people don't like the change does not mean Bioware all of a sudden made a big mess of things.
A lot of their game choices for DA2 came from player feedback.
This is after all not Dragon Age Origins 2.

this is ridiculous. you are saying that the words "dragon age" in "dragon age origins" have nothing in common with words "dragon age" in "dragon age 2" ?? 

I've just pushed a man under a speeding bus...what? I can do that. Beeing able to do something doesen't meen you should....you need to think what is right or wrong...make decisions, not just act because you can... 
I kinda thought this was obvious to everyone

[Dubya75]

OomGert wrote...

Does my opinion count? After buying and playing Baldurs Gate
1 & 2, Neverwinter, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1 & 2, DragonAge and expansions,
surely my opinion must also count for something, even if only a little bit.

What started this whole thought chain is that I started
playing the DragonAge 2 demo last night. Now DragonAge 1 was the spiritual
successor of Baldur’s Gate. For those über nerds out there I wouldn’t need to
explain what it is but for those who don’t know let’s just say we compare
DragonAge with The Lord of The Rings. The movie (DragonAge) was quite good and
is close to the quality of the book (Baldur’s Gate). So I was quite eager to
sink my teeth into any glimpse of what the next instalment would be like. Yes
it is only the demo so I can’t say I had experienced all the game offers but I
doubt the ability to change gear I have in my inventory with what my character
had on will vastly change my play experience. Basically what they have done is
they took Lord of the Rings and followed it up with Bob the Builder: My first Alphabet
Letters. The game is completely ruined, they took everything that made
DragonAge, threw it out and replaced it all with casual, meagre and non related
contend. It plays like Jade Empire (also by Bioware) but set in the DragonAge
universe and it fails. As a game on it’s own, I’m sure there will be people who
likes it (mostly 12 year olds) but it has nothing to do with the original other
than the setting and some characters that makes an appearance that is as canon
as Darth Vader making a guest appearance on a StarWars Episode of Friends.

Now I know that most will now reply that “Studies have shown that
gamers likes this more..” Studies? What studies? I have certainly never been approached
by any Bioware study group asking me about my opinion. And where did they do
these studies? At a skatepark, outside McDonalds, a paediatric ward? How about
they ask the guys that’s actually busy playing the game at that moment? I
understand that you get gamers of different ages, each being able to give their
fair amount of time and though on each game. You get the younger crowd (still
at school) that can easyliy find 4  - 8
hours a day to play and probably finish it within a day or two having so much
time on their hands to play games, then they would spend the rest of the week
playing other games or trolling the forums on how the game should be different.
Then you get the students, who themselves have a busy schedule of drinking,
supposedly studying, flirting with girls (or boys depending on preference) and
having to decide to spend a whole moths worth of McDonalds pocket money to buy
a game and hopefully finding some time in between that busy schedule of playing
it. Then you get the older gamer (The average gamer’s age or more than you
think) who only has a limited amount of time a week to play games. And in
between wondering what his wife actually meant with that Hhhmmf.. when he replied
he was playing DragonAge instead of making dinner for the kids and having do
grownup things like Cheese and Wine nights and yoga, he would rather spend his
limited few hours actually playing the game than going on the interwebs making
suggestions that swords should have melee ranges of 27m and shoot lasers to
make the game more colourful and easier… I mean faster paced. So please show me
where these study groups went to get the opinion of everyone else who’s not
playing the game instead of asking the guys who’s actually in the game right
now playing it.

Call me an idiot, call me an old fart, elitist who should rather
be out taking slow walks, call me what you like as long as Bioware calls me
sometime to ask me about my opinion at least once. I know I did over exaggerate
somewhat but it was just to get my point more clear. My intend wasn’t to offend
anyone and criticism does help you to realise your faults and some companies do
need to at least every now and then have some criticism directed at them, I just
thought I would share this for now. I will play the full version once that’s
out but for the time being I’m cancelling my pre-order. My only wish is that
Bioware doesn’t follow the same route with Mass Effect 3 because if they turn
that into ”Fun colours that go Boom with Herp Derp Sheppard” I might be have to
write Bioware off as another company that started bowing to the money cow…. Sigh.

Sorry, no it doesn't. 

[Fieryeel]

My current complains is that DA2 is taking too damn long to come...RELEASE THE GAME ALREADY OR I WILL SACRIFICE A KITTEN EVERY NIGHT!!!

[OomGert]

Dubya75 wrote...

OomGert wrote...

caslav wrote...

I think that the main reason for people reacting so passionately is that they loved Origins so much...to many it was their favorite game...
I must say, if DA2 is called "Hawke: Kirkwall Chronicles", there would be no complaints what so ever.

So true, you can't take something and change it so much but still keep it under the same name.

Errrm, yes they can. It's their franchise. Just because some people don't like the change does not mean Bioware all of a sudden made a big mess of things.
A lot of their game choices for DA2 came from player feedback.
This is after all not Dragon Age Origins 2.

It's their franchise yes. But it goes back to the point I made earlier. I keep hearing about "player feed back" but doesn't my feed back count as well? Why does only other people's feed back count but not everyone elses? All animals are equal but some are more equal than others?

Modifié par OomGert, 26 février 2011 - 01:00 .

[Dubya75]

caslav wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

OomGert wrote...

caslav wrote...

I think that the main reason for people reacting so passionately is that they loved Origins so much...to many it was their favorite game...
I must say, if DA2 is called "Hawke: Kirkwall Chronicles", there would be no complaints what so ever.

So true, you can't take something and change it so much but still keep it under the same name.

Errrm, yes they can. It's their franchise. Just because some people don't like the change does not mean Bioware all of a sudden made a big mess of things.
A lot of their game choices for DA2 came from player feedback.
This is after all not Dragon Age Origins 2.

this is ridiculous. you are saying that the words "dragon age" in "dragon age origins" have nothing in common with words "dragon age" in "dragon age 2" ?? 

I've just pushed a man under a speeding bus...what? I can do that. Beeing able to do something doesen't meen you should....you need to think what is right or wrong...make decisions, not just act because you can... 
I kinda thought this was obvious to everyone

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

[EddySpeddy]

Dragon Age 2 isn't a sequel if you ask me, it's based in the same time line and all, but if you ask me a sequel is continued on from its original, this is a separate game in a way.

[Dubya75]

EddySpeddy wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't a sequel if you ask me, it's based in the same time line and all, but if you ask me a sequel is continued on from its original, this is a separate game in a way.

I agree. And Bioware never claimed that DA2 was going to be a "sequal". People automatically assumed it.

[ColdbringeR]

Dubya75 wrote...

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

I think you're on to something. I mean, since developers can do whatever they want with their sequels why should they even try to make them similar at all? They should just dumb them down and make them shorter so that they are easier to develop and can be pushed out to the masses faster. I think EA might like the way you think.

[Sandy2009]

Dubya75 wrote...

OomGert wrote...

Does my opinion count? After buying and playing Baldurs Gate
1 & 2, Neverwinter, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1 & 2, DragonAge and expansions,
surely my opinion must also count for something, even if only a little bit.

What started this whole thought chain is that I started
playing the DragonAge 2 demo last night. Now DragonAge 1 was the spiritual
successor of Baldur’s Gate. For those über nerds out there I wouldn’t need to
explain what it is but for those who don’t know let’s just say we compare
DragonAge with The Lord of The Rings. The movie (DragonAge) was quite good and
is close to the quality of the book (Baldur’s Gate). So I was quite eager to
sink my teeth into any glimpse of what the next instalment would be like. Yes
it is only the demo so I can’t say I had experienced all the game offers but I
doubt the ability to change gear I have in my inventory with what my character
had on will vastly change my play experience. Basically what they have done is
they took Lord of the Rings and followed it up with Bob the Builder: My first Alphabet
Letters. The game is completely ruined, they took everything that made
DragonAge, threw it out and replaced it all with casual, meagre and non related
contend. It plays like Jade Empire (also by Bioware) but set in the DragonAge
universe and it fails. As a game on it’s own, I’m sure there will be people who
likes it (mostly 12 year olds) but it has nothing to do with the original other
than the setting and some characters that makes an appearance that is as canon
as Darth Vader making a guest appearance on a StarWars Episode of Friends.

Now I know that most will now reply that “Studies have shown that
gamers likes this more..” Studies? What studies? I have certainly never been approached
by any Bioware study group asking me about my opinion. And where did they do
these studies? At a skatepark, outside McDonalds, a paediatric ward? How about
they ask the guys that’s actually busy playing the game at that moment? I
understand that you get gamers of different ages, each being able to give their
fair amount of time and though on each game. You get the younger crowd (still
at school) that can easyliy find 4  - 8
hours a day to play and probably finish it within a day or two having so much
time on their hands to play games, then they would spend the rest of the week
playing other games or trolling the forums on how the game should be different.
Then you get the students, who themselves have a busy schedule of drinking,
supposedly studying, flirting with girls (or boys depending on preference) and
having to decide to spend a whole moths worth of McDonalds pocket money to buy
a game and hopefully finding some time in between that busy schedule of playing
it. Then you get the older gamer (The average gamer’s age or more than you
think) who only has a limited amount of time a week to play games. And in
between wondering what his wife actually meant with that Hhhmmf.. when he replied
he was playing DragonAge instead of making dinner for the kids and having do
grownup things like Cheese and Wine nights and yoga, he would rather spend his
limited few hours actually playing the game than going on the interwebs making
suggestions that swords should have melee ranges of 27m and shoot lasers to
make the game more colourful and easier… I mean faster paced. So please show me
where these study groups went to get the opinion of everyone else who’s not
playing the game instead of asking the guys who’s actually in the game right
now playing it.

Call me an idiot, call me an old fart, elitist who should rather
be out taking slow walks, call me what you like as long as Bioware calls me
sometime to ask me about my opinion at least once. I know I did over exaggerate
somewhat but it was just to get my point more clear. My intend wasn’t to offend
anyone and criticism does help you to realise your faults and some companies do
need to at least every now and then have some criticism directed at them, I just
thought I would share this for now. I will play the full version once that’s
out but for the time being I’m cancelling my pre-order. My only wish is that
Bioware doesn’t follow the same route with Mass Effect 3 because if they turn
that into ”Fun colours that go Boom with Herp Derp Sheppard” I might be have to
write Bioware off as another company that started bowing to the money cow…. Sigh.

Sorry, no it doesn't. 

Opinion may not count... money wil certainly count . So if 10,000 disgruntled users don't buy the game, it is loss of $600,000.  Learn how to pull strings in capitalistic society.

[caslav]

Dubya75 wrote...

caslav wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

OomGert wrote...

caslav wrote...

I think that the main reason for people reacting so passionately is that they loved Origins so much...to many it was their favorite game...
I must say, if DA2 is called "Hawke: Kirkwall Chronicles", there would be no complaints what so ever.

So true, you can't take something and change it so much but still keep it under the same name.

Errrm, yes they can. It's their franchise. Just because some people don't like the change does not mean Bioware all of a sudden made a big mess of things.
A lot of their game choices for DA2 came from player feedback.
This is after all not Dragon Age Origins 2.

this is ridiculous. you are saying that the words "dragon age" in "dragon age origins" have nothing in common with words "dragon age" in "dragon age 2" ?? 

I've just pushed a man under a speeding bus...what? I can do that. Beeing able to do something doesen't meen you should....you need to think what is right or wrong...make decisions, not just act because you can... 
I kinda thought this was obvious to everyone

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

Yes, apparantly the people that have bought the game, played it for a long long time, enjoyed it, mede it their favourite game, are not so important as the people that did not buy the game or did not play it for longer than half an hour.

This paradox makes me sad (worlds tiniest violin, some would say), but from the economic point of view it does make sence....the people who liked the first game will shurely buy the second...so we need to attract others.

From the moral point of view, it does not.

[Dubya75]

ColdbringeR wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

I think you're on to something. I mean, since developers can do whatever they want with their sequels why should they even try to make them similar at all? They should just dumb them down and make them shorter so that they are easier to develop and can be pushed out to the masses faster. I think EA might like the way you think.

Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately I can't take it seriously because you've not played the game.

[Cobopolies]

This kind of reminds me of the battlefield series, but at least Dice had the smarts to subtitle it as Bad Company and not Battlefield 3(Which is shaping up to be more like Battlefield 2, horray!).

[wojciec]

EddySpeddy wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't a sequel if you ask me, it's based in the same time line and all, but if you ask me a sequel is continued on from its original, this is a separate game in a way.

I think it's the same game but a completely different story line, just like Star Wars books for example. Although too many things get changed completely or cut that it really feels like a different game. A slightly wrong approach if you ask me, although its just my opnion ( I did enjoy the demo, apart from some minor annoyances that I mentioned earlier.) I still hope this will be a great game despite the unnecessary changes and I will buy it regardless. I'm still a supporter albeit a very grumpy one

[caslav]

Dubya75 wrote...

EddySpeddy wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't a sequel if you ask me, it's based in the same time line and all, but if you ask me a sequel is continued on from its original, this is a separate game in a way.

I agree. And Bioware never claimed that DA2 was going to be a "sequal". People automatically assumed it.

dude. I don't know what threw me off.... Is it the words DRAGON frakking AGE and number 2 ????

[ColdbringeR]

Dubya75 wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

I think you're on to something. I mean, since developers can do whatever they want with their sequels why should they even try to make them similar at all? They should just dumb them down and make them shorter so that they are easier to develop and can be pushed out to the masses faster. I think EA might like the way you think.

Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately I can't take it seriously because you've not played the game.

What game? Was I talking about a game in specific? I thought I was referring to sequels in general.

[anyoldname]

caslav wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I agree. And Bioware never claimed that DA2 was going to be a "sequal". People automatically assumed it.

dude. I don't know what threw me off.... Is it the words DRAGON frakking AGE and number 2 ????

I assumed he was being humerous. Something called Dragon Age 2 is naturally assumed to be a sequel to Dragon Age.

Modifié par anyoldname, 26 février 2011 - 01:09 .

[Sandy2009]

Dubya75 wrote...

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

End users always define what products get made in consumer society. What are you talking about????

If the players who like DAO don't buy DA2... who will???

[lobi]

Downs syndrome ogres? Ninjas? where are Darkspawn? Chars look ok but they are in cutscene when using expressions (blink vids?) but really Bioware, ninjas??"??

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Could we please have more of a variety of default attacks - whilst waiting for abilities to become available again I felt doing the same combo over and over again negatively impacted my enjoyment of the battle system - together with the same *raises sword into the air* animation when you press the attack button when no enemy is near enough to attack. lets not forget that we will be playing this game for many many hours and it focuses heavily on the combat - repetitiveness is the biggest bugbear for most people when playing games so combat-centric.



I dislike the male Hawke voice actor - I hate to say it but it neither sounds like a voice of an experienced warrior, or a plucky young hero. I couldn't relate to the dialogue much. I liked the Female Hawkes voice however, but that could be because the stereotype for a female hero is far less specific..



Some graphical issues(not important to me, but thought you might like to know) -when wearing a sword and shield on your back as a female, the two move through each other when moving, and in the scene where someone closes the eyes of the dead person it really didn't look right as the eyes on the dead person close on their own without the fingers even touching them. The female running animation sometimes didn't look right.

[caslav]

anyoldname wrote...

caslav wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I agree. And Bioware never claimed that DA2 was going to be a "sequal". People automatically assumed it.

dude. I don't know what threw me off.... Is it the words DRAGON frakking AGE and number 2 ????

I assumed he was being humerous. Something called Dragon Age 2 is naturally assumed to be a sequel to Dragon Age.

somehow, I don't think he has

[wojciec]

Sandy2009 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I think the real problem here is that YOU think you are in a position to define what Dragon Age is and what it isn't.
Sorry to say this is not your call.

End users always define what products get made in consumer society. What are you talking about????

If the players who like DAO don't buy DA2... who will???

I'm sorry to say that more and more games are being simplified to suit the younger generation who CBA to read a page of text in a game journal, or a whole line of dialogue without it being read to them, fidgeting in the equipment pack to look for a weapon/armor with better stats because adding numbers is stupid and annoying. No offence to anyone but look around, lots of games share that fate. At least that's what I think.