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And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be  just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 

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sodashark wrote...

Aradace wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I see absolutly nothing wrong with the title Dragon Age 2. Which simply means "2nd game in the Dragon Age franchice" If it was a sequal it would have been called "Dragon Age: Origins 2" most likely...so realisticly if you hate the title it's from your own pre-conceptions and not anything Bioware did in that regard.


You sir, are a god **** scholar lol.


And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie! You made my point for me, thanks.


Hey Im not above agreeing with someone when they have a valid point.  Which you have demonstrated.  I was sincere in my agreeing with you.  Im not one of those people to completely judge a movie simply by it's trailer though.  Only time thats true for me are when they are the mushy love stories or "romantic comedies" lol.

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Aradace wrote...

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The gaming industry changes, and moves more to console, which isn't great for all of us...


That's your opinion.  All I use my desktop for anyway is forums, email, etc.  Only time I play games on my desktop is if Im playing an MMO...Which I havent in about 2 years now since I quit LotrO


That's not just an opinion, that's fact. Not EVERYONE likes consoles. Some of us like playing games on the PC.

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Trying to make the dialogue style similar to Mass Effect wasn't a bad idea or anything, but yes you have shown there, it's kind of a failed attempt at it, what is the point of "Paragon" "Renegade" options when they all lead to the same result.


The wall of responses thing isn't new. If you played any of the BG, KOTOR or DAO games there are more than a lot of options where they all net the same response.  Heck even places where you think you'd get different responses you didn't. There were a number of the "Are you prejudiced vs elves" lines in DAO that net a "Oh no sir elf <insert normal repsonse>. I don't think that throw away phrase changed the reponse, it wasn't like I went down a "Elven bigotry" thread. I never like that feel but it certainly isn't new.

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kylecouch wrote...

Aradace wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I see absolutly nothing wrong with the title Dragon Age 2. Which simply means "2nd game in the Dragon Age franchice" If it was a sequal it would have been called "Dragon Age: Origins 2" most likely...so realisticly if you hate the title it's from your own pre-conceptions and not anything Bioware did in that regard.


You sir, are a god **** scholar lol.


Call me an idiot...but is that praise or mockery? lol


it was actual praise lol

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Polyester74 wrote...

Having read a lot of the posts, it seems that everytime some dislikes something, they're perceived to be moaning, complaing and b****ing.

Well, if they dislike something, then of course it's going to be a negative comment! Why can't people just post that they 'dislike' something without being attacked as miserable little whiners?


Has something to do with:
- The sweeping statements- 'everybody that likes this is 12 years old'
- The arguements to tradition - 'DA2 is not DA:O, I am offended and terrified by change'
- Prejudging content that NO ONE knows about - 'this game has a terrible story and it's not strategic! (oh, i'm playing on normal and haven't scratched the surface of the story and characters...)
- The utter lack of any constructive criticism - 'DA:2 sucks! combat is bad! warggarblbgaglgrrr!'

Disliking the game is perfectly fine. I've read perfectly valid complaints. What I, and others, don't like is dismissive, unhelpful, and juvenile critiques.

Here's an example of decent constructive criticism:

"The huge jump distance makes it childish, although I like the fast movement because I like getting to places quicker xD 

The combat could be improved (like the fact your sword just hits air), but I do like the fact your characters attacks feel more animated now, rather than just swinging randomely at enemies... it feels like it has style to it.

I like the fact they voice acted it, but something just doesn't seem right about it, I don't really know how to put it, it's like they've tried to turn this into Mass Effect. I like the idea of your character being voice acted, but I just didn't feel it, or at least so far, was only a Demo and there weren't a great deal of scenes, so it may get better, but that's what I felt from the demo." 

He lists specific changes to the combat that he would like to see, suggests that the movement, while good, could use some animation tweaks, and states, politely, that he didn't like how the voice acting was handled. That is good criticism. 

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Aradace wrote...

sodashark wrote...

Aradace wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I see absolutly nothing wrong with the title Dragon Age 2. Which simply means "2nd game in the Dragon Age franchice" If it was a sequal it would have been called "Dragon Age: Origins 2" most likely...so realisticly if you hate the title it's from your own pre-conceptions and not anything Bioware did in that regard.


You sir, are a god **** scholar lol.


And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie! You made my point for me, thanks.

Hey Im not above agreeing with someone when they have a valid point.  Which you have demonstrated.  I was sincere in my agreeing with you.  Im not one of those people to completely judge a movie simply by it's trailer though.  Only time thats true for me are when they are the mushy love stories or "romantic comedies" lol.


Sorry, clicked the wrong quote...Posted Image

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Uhm, I'm afraid I can get a quite clear idea of the aspects I've criticized, even from a short demo like this. Or are dialogues and animations going to change completely before the release..?





I perfectly know my opinion doesn't count and will not affect the next chapter: I simply will not buy the next chapter.

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Sidney wrote...

EddySpeddy wrote...
Trying to make the dialogue style similar to Mass Effect wasn't a bad idea or anything, but yes you have shown there, it's kind of a failed attempt at it, what is the point of "Paragon" "Renegade" options when they all lead to the same result.


The wall of responses thing isn't new. If you played any of the BG, KOTOR or DAO games there are more than a lot of options where they all net the same response.  Heck even places where you think you'd get different responses you didn't. There were a number of the "Are you prejudiced vs elves" lines in DAO that net a "Oh no sir elf . I don't think that throw away phrase changed the reponse, it wasn't like I went down a "Elven bigotry" thread. I never like that feel but it certainly isn't new.


It was only a demo and may change in some spots, but especially in the main scenes e.g. Isabella throwing the knife at that guy should have an option of not killing him... I can understand some things leading to the same result, but yeah at least so far they haven't pleased me in that aspect.

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Dubya75 wrote...
And here we go again, judging the game based on a 40 minute demo, that's just plain stupid!


This is the demo feedback thread. My assessment is based on 3 hours hands on in the demo with 6 sub-class permutations. It's based on the obvious changes to artistic direction, gameplay, changes to mechanics, companion characterisation, lacklustre implementation of dialogue, and the utterly farcical attempt to capture morality in good and evil distillates, not to mention punishing players who choose not to ascribe to this (the neutral or joke option). It's based on much of the information summarised HERE.

What would be plain stupid, is to disregard a differing opinion merely because it brings to light information or perspective you had not considered. ;)

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sodashark wrote...

Aradace wrote...

sodashark wrote...

Aradace wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I see absolutly nothing wrong with the title Dragon Age 2. Which simply means "2nd game in the Dragon Age franchice" If it was a sequal it would have been called "Dragon Age: Origins 2" most likely...so realisticly if you hate the title it's from your own pre-conceptions and not anything Bioware did in that regard.


You sir, are a god **** scholar lol.


And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie! You made my point for me, thanks.

Hey Im not above agreeing with someone when they have a valid point.  Which you have demonstrated.  I was sincere in my agreeing with you.  Im not one of those people to completely judge a movie simply by it's trailer though.  Only time thats true for me are when they are the mushy love stories or "romantic comedies" lol.


Sorry, clicked the wrong quote...Posted Image


No worries lol

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Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.

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sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.

And I have watched COUNTLESS movies where I said to myself "that trailer looked ridiculous" then once I saw the movie I was like "wow...that was freakin awsome"

#6639
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sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.


the thing is, while I agree with you.  It is, on some levels, like comparing apples to oranges.  In some way, game demos are different than movie trailers.  For me anyway, it's different because a game demo, Im actually "playing it" or "interacting" with it or whatnot, where as with a movie trailer, it's a kind of "meh" followed by a shoulder shrug.  I can't really aptly explain it.  It's just different for some folks.  I personally liked the demo but then again Ive been chomping at the proverbial bit for this installment ever since playing origins lol.

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kylecouch wrote...

sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.

And I have watched COUNTLESS movies where I said to myself "that trailer looked ridiculous" then once I saw the movie I was like "wow...that was freakin awsome"


So, you went to see a movie you didn't think was going to be any good???? Really? WHO does that?

Modifié par sodashark, 26 février 2011 - 03:13 .


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Aradace wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Aradace wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I see absolutly nothing wrong with the title Dragon Age 2. Which simply means "2nd game in the Dragon Age franchice" If it was a sequal it would have been called "Dragon Age: Origins 2" most likely...so realisticly if you hate the title it's from your own pre-conceptions and not anything Bioware did in that regard.


You sir, are a god **** scholar lol.


Call me an idiot...but is that praise or mockery? lol


it was actual praise lol


lol cool beans...apparently no one learned their lesson from their Harrowing. "The true dangers of the Fade, are pre-conceptions."

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sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.


xD I went to cinema for 300...never seen a trailer...knew it was about spartans...expected something like Gladiator...went there and was like omg, wtf is this? :lol::sick:
So yes, trailers and demos are important B)

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sodashark wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.

And I have watched COUNTLESS movies where I said to myself "that trailer looked ridiculous" then once I saw the movie I was like "wow...that was freakin awsome"


So, you went to see a movie you didn't think was going to be any good???? Really? WHO does that?

did I say I went to the theatre? no sir I did not...I rented them afterwords and took back every nasty thing I said about it.

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kylecouch wrote...

sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.

And I have watched COUNTLESS movies where I said to myself "that trailer looked ridiculous" then once I saw the movie I was like "wow...that was freakin awsome"


haha that's waht I thought when I saw the Trailer for "How to Train your Dragon" or whatever it is. I actually quite liked that lol. 

Anyways, you can judge the game in some aspects from the Demo, but keep in mind it was a demo, and more than likely the game will be a lot better than the demo. If it's anything like Dragon Age: Origins in length, you've got about 30 hours of game time or more there. That 30 mins it takes to play through the Demo is small in comparison.

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most of u guys must have noticed but the darkspawn faces have COMPLETELY changed from DA:O ! But DA2 and DA:O are supposed to be in same time right? what is the meaning of this ?

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kylecouch wrote...

sodashark wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

sodashark wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

sodashark wrote...

And, if you don't like the trailer, you WON'T go see the movie!

Again, nonsense.  Most halfway informed movie goers  base their ticket/dvd purchases on a hell of a lot more than just a friggin trailer.  Especially since sometimes trailers are mindblowingly awesome misrepresentations of the movie as a whole, and sometimes the trailer sucks ass but the movie ends up being good.

Most people are aware of that, and so they only   let the  trailer/demo  be s just one aspect of their overall decision to purchase the product 


Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Same with game trailers and demos. I really do hope that the finished game isn't anything like the demo.

And I have watched COUNTLESS movies where I said to myself "that trailer looked ridiculous" then once I saw the movie I was like "wow...that was freakin awsome"


So, you went to see a movie you didn't think was going to be any good???? Really? WHO does that?

did I say I went to the theatre? no sir I did not...I rented them afterwords and took back every nasty thing I said about it.


Ahhhh... So you DIDN'T go see a movie, that you thought wouldn't be any good, based on its trailer. So you are not an informed movie goer?

You know, sometimes a trailers show all the best parts, and the movie is even worse than the trailer!

The point is that both movie trailer and game demos are subject to criticism, like it or not.

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gssmax wrote...

most of u guys must have noticed but the darkspawn faces have COMPLETELY changed from DA:O ! But DA2 and DA:O are supposed to be in same time right? what is the meaning of this ?


As quoted by mr. woo himself "It's like we decided to go in a new art direction or something...Imagine that." Or at least thats in the ball park of what he said lol.  Which I agree with.  They've said countless times before if you have been staying "in the know" that a completely new art style was being used for DA2

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Don't tell me you've never seen a trailer, and said: That movie looks like crap!

I have!  I remember seeing the Pulp Fiction trailer and saying  "what is this garbage?!", but then I ended up going to see it anyway because it was, after all, a Quentin Tarrantino movie, and  he's my idol.   he's never let me down.

Well? despite the trailer, Pulp Fiction ended up being the greatest movie I ever saw.


sodashark wrote...

Informed movie goer or not, a bad trailer can kill a movie. Opinions ARE formed on movie trailers, there isn't any denying it.

Well, of course opinions are formed on trailers  (and demos), but if one's entire  opinion is based on just  that, then  I'd say such opinions are shallow and uneducated.  What ever happened to  doing a thorough  research on something before you buy it?

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gssmax wrote...

most of u guys must have noticed but the darkspawn faces have COMPLETELY changed from DA:O ! But DA2 and DA:O are supposed to be in same time right? what is the meaning of this ?


THey changed the artistic style to make it less "LOTRish"

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I liked the demo for what it was .. demo. In my experience the full games are better usually. I loved the gameplay changes like the battle rush and speed. The dialog changes are fine and quicker to read and choose. By the end of the demo I was like noooo.... they could have given us a little more play! I can't wait for the game to release as the story hooked me in. I am glad for the differences because I do not want to feel like I'm playing the same thing again with a few story changes. BTW this is now my favorite role playing action game. The only way it could get better on the 360 is if it was played with the holografic helmet/glasses thing and u had to stand and swing. Haha .. disney did have that once in the past to show us where the future is going.