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[SolRahlX]

All the DA:O purists may as well just forget the Dragon Age series altogether after this demo. The game is going to sell better than DA:O... so Bioware definitely isn't going to revert back to DA:O's style for DA3.

[Dragoonlordz]

SolRahlX wrote...

All the DA:O purists may as well just forget the Dragon Age series altogether after this demo. The game is going to sell better than DA:O... so Bioware definitely isn't going to revert back to DA:O's style for DA3.

Don't flamebait.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragonfan117 wrote...

I think the game is amazing! The combat feels better and the graphics are awesome! I also think that Bioware did a good thing in kind of making how you actually fight, instead of selecting the action and then the character does it, you do it this time around:) My brother who didnt like Origins because he likes to control the character wants to play DA2 because of this. I play on 360 so its a vast improvement from Origins I think.

So in other words, they've gone from a good RPG to just another action game. 

This is the same thing that ruined the Madden franchise, with every release focusing more and more on controlling the minutia of the individual player with the ball, to the point where the newest version has the option to let the AI call the plays for you, so that you can concentrate on the arcadey control aspects. 

Meh.

[WalterSobchack]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SolRahlX wrote...

All the DA:O purists may as well just forget the Dragon Age series altogether after this demo. The game is going to sell better than DA:O... so Bioware definitely isn't going to revert back to DA:O's style for DA3.

Don't flamebait.

This isn't flamebaiting: it's a legitimate point, maybe expressed awkwardly.  I played the demo, and I can say confidently that DA2 is very clearly not for DA:O purists.  It's also likely that DA2 will sell better, because it's clearly targeting a wider and larger console-gaming market.  If that happens, it's likely that Bioware/EA will continue with the DA2 style, as the market has spoken.  No one is saying that's Right or Wrong, they're just statements of fact.

Personally, I gave my opinion that DA2 is likely to disappoint people looking for a deeper DA:O experience, which includes me.  That doesn't mean that DA2 sucks in every way imaginable, or that DA2 is going to be awesome in every way imaginable.  It means that some hardcore RPG gamers, and perhaps more "old school" or dedicated PC gamers, are going to be put off by DA2. 

What is flamebaiting is to call others flamebaiters for expressing reasonable opinions.

[Faker_]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dragonfan117 wrote...

I think the game is amazing! The combat feels better and the graphics are awesome! I also think that Bioware did a good thing in kind of making how you actually fight, instead of selecting the action and then the character does it, you do it this time around:) My brother who didnt like Origins because he likes to control the character wants to play DA2 because of this. I play on 360 so its a vast improvement from Origins I think.

So in other words, they've gone from a good RPG to just another action game. 

This is the same thing that ruined the Madden franchise, with every release focusing more and more on controlling the minutia of the individual player with the ball, to the point where the newest version has the option to let the AI call the plays for you, so that you can concentrate on the arcadey control aspects. 

Meh.

I don't mind they adding the action option as long as they keep the good RPG elements. Which they did. If you don't want an action game, turn autoattack on, put it on hardmode/nightmare, pause, position and select every party member action exactly the way origins was.

Modifié par Faker_, 24 février 2011 - 09:31 .

[WalterSobchack]

Viraeth wrote...

WalterSobchack wrote...

I played the demo through to completion last night.  It took me about an hour.  I slept on it.  Here are my honest thoughts:

A lot of the press and reaction I've seen to the game have been about whether it is "Dragon Effect 2."  This has been followed up by sidesteps or denials by developers, fanboys, and those just anxious to play another Dragon Age.

In my opinion, the developers gutted the DA:O model for this game very early on.  After playing it last night, it's completely disingenuous to deny that the Dragon Age series has now borrowed very heavily from Mass Effect.  It's about more than just the dialogue wheel too.  The combat scripting is obviously Mass Effect: no real exploration, just move from battle point to battle point on a set map, culminating in a mini-boss fight, ending with some dialogue, which finishes with a "choice" dialogue wheel.  Rinse and repeat.

Other similarities are obvious too.  The camera angles and action points mimic Mass Effect heavily.  Combat is not complex in the slightest, and despite this being simple combat scenarios in a demo, I don't feel like it's going to be: the action simply moves way too fast when unpaused.  There are hard limitations to the amount of complexity that can be required of the gamer when the action moves at that kind of pace.  I think Mass Effect does a great job with it, but it does not translate well into a Dragon Age setting.  Finally, while there's been a lot of talk about the improved graphics, I did not find them to be a selling point.  The Mass Effect graphics are by far superior, yet the same style appears watered down in Dragon Age 2.

Is all of this good or bad? There will be many different and legitimate points of view.  For myself, I'm very disappointed: this game isn't adding any layers of complexity that I would expect from a sequel.  It's rather changing the core mechanics to appeal to more "mainstream" gaming if I can call it that.  Aside from that, it's the exact same package of RPG material with a slick presentation.   I know that there will be fans of this change, and I even admit that the this style of combat in a medieval RPG setting is kind of amusing.  I just know that I am going to tire of it quickly because I've seen it before in the Mass Effect series.  

Bottom line for me: this does not represent a step forward for Dragon Age.  It's not a step back, just a step sideways.  Nevertheless, it's a strange feeling because this is the first time I think Bioware really missed the target.  I'm still going to play it eventually.  However, as a longtime fan of Bioware games, it's very strange to say that I won't be buying this game until it goes on a good Steam sale.  I don't see where the value is on this one.

Edit: on a final note, think about it this way.  The Witcher 2 is due out soon after this one, and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim later this year.  These are the main RPG competitors.  Based on the demo, does Dragon Age 2 surpass those on the RPG level?  From early looks of the other two, I think it's going to be very, very hard to answer yes to that question.


  

I, sadly, must agree with every point you brought up. Personally I don't think NEAR so much should have been changed, and pretty much taking Grey Wardens out the equation was VERY disappointing. But, like you, i'm still going to play it.

I too am puzzled by the decision to gut the Grey Wardens from the story.  When I do get around to playing DA2 in the far future, I'll be interested to see whether the story is better or worse because of it.  What I do know is that ME2 took a very similar direction in keeping the Reapers very much in the background, and I felt that ME2's story really suffered for it.  It's another reason for increased skepticism about DA2 if you're more inclined to the story and RPG elements of a game like I am.

[Ricksky BR]

teste pra ver meus escudos

[Faker_]

I felt the same way until I saw 30 minutes of gameplay on:



http://www.gamespot....g=topslot;img;1



Yes they made normal easier. Yes it's more fast paced. Yes the tutorial lothering suck.



But Kirkwall seems to be the real game. You can probably play DA2 on normal like you play Mass Effect 2 or even God of War as some claim, and was probably designed for that. But turn on nightmare and try that. Kirkwall seems to have plenty of exploring DA:O style tyvm.



The way I see it is they added another playstyle for people who just couldn't bear Origins. But they didn't remove Origins from dragon age, even if its not by default anymore.

[NastyNate361]

Dissapointed  the new menu system cheapens the feel of the game it takes way from the depth of the game and the overall feel. The potions look like the should be in tourch light not dragon age and the character view makes the graphics look bad. I love dragon age origins and the menu system as well as the spell system and look of the area effect rings. Please tell me there will be an option to adjust the menu to the classic feel and colors or at least something along those lines. the adition of A-button as an action button is cool but the icons and skill trees look far too modern i feel alienated from my Dragon age experience. Just like mass effect 2 the game feels like it lacks the depth and draw of the first. like someone took the original came up with a great idea for a new story for the universe but out sourced it to someone else who tired to copy the first but didn't do so well. I know the game will be good and i like the game mechanics but the icons DO NOT fit the feel of the game and they are childish and totally pull me out of the emersion, like a crappy MMO.   i don't know if I'm still going to buy it becuase i loved Bioware games but it saddens me that they felt the need to adjust the visual feel so far away from origins

Modifié par NastyNate361, 24 février 2011 - 10:40 .

[Elusive_Death]

OMG people stop complaining ITS JUST A DEMO!!!!!! Besides that this isnt even the feedback page.

I pre-ordered mine the only thing I regret is not preordering sooner so I could have gotten the free upgrade to the collectors edition.

[DinoZodd]

Only thing that concerns me is if the story is not going to be as wide and expansive as Dragon Age: Origins. Not gonna complain yet though, got to see the full game first.

[PirateT138]

Everyone's apparently a ninja capable of tremendous aerial acrobatics, hunh?



Continuing to give things the Mass Effect/Michael Bay treatment of bigger/flashier/more action isn't always a good thing.



It just felt so f'ing silly, the Albino Hurlocks looked dumb as hell, too.



The demo concerned me more than it excited me.

[BloodyTalon]

PirateT138 wrote...

Everyone's apparently a ninja capable of tremendous aerial acrobatics, hunh?

Continuing to give things the Mass Effect/Michael Bay treatment of bigger/flashier/more action isn't always a good thing.

It just felt so ****g silly, the Albino Hurlocks looked dumb as hell, too.

The demo concerned me more than it excited me.

Might want to put that on the feedback  thresd.  I plsayed through it has a mage but will check out a playthough of the demo has a rouge now to see what you mean.

[Diddie]

Its terrible compared to DAO for pc. Simple as that. Its rubbish compared to it

[Diddie]

Graphics... bad... camera view bad... . So after that why do i want to look further!

[NerfenLied]

DA2 has much to prove when it comes out.

Modifié par NerfenLied, 25 février 2011 - 12:30 .

[dzizass]

I fail to see why people see this as so much worse than DA:O. It's actually really similar.



Bad dialogues - check

Lots of filler combat - check

Bad and boring encounter design - check

Enemy level scaling - check

Few character customization options - check

Awful graphic design - check

Outdated graphics engine - check



The combat is a bit more dynamic (advantage!) but even less tactical. Also the dialogue wheel is terrible, ME did it A LOT better - in DA2 you never know what the hell is Hawke going to come up with.

The differences are few, although DA2 does look worse. But it's not a "disappointment after an epic predecessor", it's just "even worse".

[Ecaiki]

Edit: see below.

Modifié par Ecaiki, 25 février 2011 - 12:39 .

[NerfenLied]

I moved the post to the feedback thread which is more appropriate, you might want to do the same, it is unchanged other than that.

However, I'm not going to respond to your so-called answers, because they did not conflict my points in any way. You seem to be more concerned about how it fares IN COMPARISON to the first game, when I clearly stated at the end of my post that I do not like the first one too much either. Just much more than this.

And yes, I insult the writers for the abomination dialogues in DA2's demo. First game was not incredible but it had way more believable chatter at least. I did not happen to play DA:O's demo, if it existed, but I doubt you could find a worse segment in that game than anything in DA2 demo.

Modifié par NerfenLied, 25 février 2011 - 12:39 .

[synnerman]

I have generally simplistic needs: The characters' are pretty. Hawke has really nice arms. Bring on the man man romance.



I like the changes to mage staff combat. It's a bit busy. I'm looking forward to customization options and I hope I can turn Hawke into a clone of my Warden.

[gingerbill]

completed demo a few times with diffrent chars on the PC and PS3 and xbox .

thought it was brilliant , loved every minute off it . I was worried about this game but now i cant wait , if the game is as good as the demo over 40 hours i will be as happy as can be

[gingerbill]

Diddie wrote...

Its terrible compared to DAO for pc. Simple as that. Its rubbish compared to it

hehe , what a load of nonsense . to many people with a not so secret agenda to bad mouth this game no mattter what . I thought it was brilliant on all 3 platforms , especially PC were the graphics are miles ahead of DAO , loved the combat , fast paced but i used pause alot .

I think it will be biowares best game .

WalterSobchack wrote...

Personally, I gave my opinion that DA2 is likely to disappoint people looking for a deeper DA:O experience, which includes me.  That doesn't mean that DA2 sucks in every way imaginable, or that DA2 is going to be awesome in every way imaginable.  It means that some hardcore RPG gamers, and perhaps more "old school" or dedicated PC gamers, are going to be put off by DA2. 

What is flamebaiting is to call others flamebaiters for expressing reasonable opinions.

You dont speak for all 'RPG fans' or all 'hardcore gamers' . Been playing RPG's since ultima and i loved DA2 demo , seems like DAO but better . I ranked DAO alongside BG2 and KOTOR and ultima 7 , this i think could be the best yet , but too early to say . Loved every minute off it.

Modifié par gingerbill, 25 février 2011 - 02:13 .

[razielsoul]

[quote]gingerbill wrote...

[quote]Diddie wrote...

Its terrible compared to DAO for pc. Simple as that. Its rubbish compared to it[/quote]


especially PC were the graphics are miles ahead of DAO...
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really?

Modifié par razielsoul, 25 février 2011 - 03:28 .

[Aurionin]

I think this game is just all around not going to be as good as the original. I'm not trying to say that it's not going to live up to the name or anything, even if it wasn't a sequal to DA:O it would still be a worse game. I think the controlls feel clunky after playing the demo, it's a little difficult to actually do what you want your character to do. Also, compared to DA:O i feel that this is going to be more combat based, even though people liked Origins because it WASN'T combat based. My friends and I all agreed it would be better staying like the original where it's an epic story with some combat thrown in.

[prsquared]

to each his own... To me faster clunkier combat better fits an epic story(which bioware promises to deliver), As long as it doesn't feel like devil may cry.