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[CroGamer002]

He says 7 million dead in London, not whole Earth!

[AkiKishi]

The exact quote is

"2 million dead in the first day"

"Another 7 million by the end of the first week"

[AkiKishi]

Yeti13 wrote...

Remember just because they go to Earth first doesn't mean they are not gearing up to attack Pavalion, the Salarian inner colony's, the Asari Republics inner worlds, Tuchunka, the whole Persies Arm, the Citadel, Omega, etc. remember that Reapers are extremely meticulous and patient, they want to learn before they destroy and they plan before they learn

I think the reason they hit Earth has something to do with the forthcoming DLC. Earth seems like a prime candidate for the Ultimate Sacrifice.

[Moiaussi]

Nicodemus wrote...

Sovereign was making the Geth create husks for it's own purpose. Not everyone gets liquified, some are made into foot soldiers (husks, abominations etc) others will get repurposed (surviving protheans made into collectors) and others just out right killed.

The collectors were after Shep and it didn't really seem to matter if they got him/her dead or alive. They took out the Normandy to either rid themselves of a potential threat or to capture the threat. Hence when they found out that sheps body was on the planet they went looking for it.

During the period that Shep was all meat and tubes the Collectors started to collect humans and liquidising them, but they were also using some for foot soldiers.

That is speculation, not fact. The truth is we know very little about the Reaper's plans or methods, certainly not enough to make conclusive statements like that yet. If they were really 'after Shepard' when the Normandy was taken down, then why didn't they do the recovery themselves? They were there and there were no fleets handy.

They were hunting other shipping in the area when the Normandy went to investigate. It is even just speculation that the Normandy was their main target. AFAIK, there hasn't been anything written from the Reaper's or Collector's perspective, so again, why they were there and why they used the tactics they did is nothing but conjecture.

We know that afterwards they wanted Shep's corpse, but we don't know for certain if they did before or what intel they were working with. We do know they were able to counter the Normandy's stealth but that could mean anything from the Reapers having dealt with such systems in the past to the Normandy's position being revealed somehow to dumb luck.

Which humans were they using as foot soldiers? The husks didn't have to be fresh (although presumably some on the derelect reaper were, but we know where those came from).

[Tennessee88]

The Reapers had no idea who they were messing with on their home turf...

[Nicodemus]

Moiaussi wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...

Sovereign was making the Geth create husks for it's own purpose. Not everyone gets liquified, some are made into foot soldiers (husks, abominations etc) others will get repurposed (surviving protheans made into collectors) and others just out right killed.

The collectors were after Shep and it didn't really seem to matter if they got him/her dead or alive. They took out the Normandy to either rid themselves of a potential threat or to capture the threat. Hence when they found out that sheps body was on the planet they went looking for it.

During the period that Shep was all meat and tubes the Collectors started to collect humans and liquidising them, but they were also using some for foot soldiers.

That is speculation, not fact. The truth is we know very little about the Reaper's plans or methods, certainly not enough to make conclusive statements like that yet. If they were really 'after Shepard' when the Normandy was taken down, then why didn't they do the recovery themselves? They were there and there were no fleets handy.

They were hunting other shipping in the area when the Normandy went to investigate. It is even just speculation that the Normandy was their main target. AFAIK, there hasn't been anything written from the Reaper's or Collector's perspective, so again, why they were there and why they used the tactics they did is nothing but conjecture.

We know that afterwards they wanted Shep's corpse, but we don't know for certain if they did before or what intel they were working with. We do know they were able to counter the Normandy's stealth but that could mean anything from the Reapers having dealt with such systems in the past to the Normandy's position being revealed somehow to dumb luck.

Which humans were they using as foot soldiers? The husks didn't have to be fresh (although presumably some on the derelect reaper were, but we know where those came from).

The whole point that the Normandy got bushwhacked was becasue the whole "attacking shipping" was a trap. It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines and see that getting rid of a potential threat was actually the most important thing the reapers could do. Do you A) leave an influential person alive to continue looking into the Reaper threat, thus stirring up everyone to be prepared, or do you wipe him out so people forget. It's not hard to figure that one out.

As for the husks, did you actually play the game? Did you play the first one? You are introduced to the Husks in the first 10 minutes of the game in ME1. You see Humans being turned into Husks, Husks are created by sticking live humans onto the spikes or "dragons teeth". It's part of the indoctrination process, hell even Saren turned out to be nothing more than a Husk at the end. Left, right and center humans were being turned into Husks. You fought them in ME1 and you ran into more of them in ME2. I would suggest you go play the games again to refresh your memory. Reapers need foot soldiers and creating husks is one of the easiest options available.

[AkiKishi]

Nicodemus wrote...

The whole point that the Normandy got bushwhacked was becasue the whole "attacking shipping" was a trap. It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines and see that getting rid of a potential threat was actually the most important thing the reapers could do. Do you A) leave an influential person alive to continue looking into the Reaper threat, thus stirring up everyone to be prepared, or do you wipe him out so people forget. It's not hard to figure that one out.

Makes you wonder why they did not blow the SR-2 appart when it was dead in space. Shepard may not have been on it, but taking out his ship would have totally screwed up his plans.

[Nicodemus]

I agree Bob, but from what was said about the Collectors wanting Sheps body after they blew the original Normandy up it was obvious that the Reapers wanted Shep either dead or alive. They got double crossed on the dead body front, but taking the crew and leaving the ship for Shep to go to the collector base gives them to opportunity to capture the living Shep for their nefarious purposes.



It's not especially good writing or execution but it's what they left us with.

[didymos1120]

Nicodemus wrote...
It's part of the indoctrination process, hell even Saren turned out to be nothing more than a Husk at the end.

No, it's not.  Indoctrination is one technology.  Husks are another.  Sometimes, both are used in concert, such as indoctrinating people and then making them husk-spike themselves, but one does not inevitably result from the other.  Nor does someone need to be indoctrinated to become a husk.  You can make them out of recently produced corpses (see the Codex entry).

As to Saren, he wasn't a husk.  He shared characteristics with them, yes, but his capabilities and behavior were very different.  He was actually an avatar of Sovereign in the end, much like Grayson in Retribution, or the possessed Harbinger drones in ME2.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 février 2011 - 11:22 .

[didymos1120]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Makes you wonder why they did not blow the SR-2 appart when it was dead in space. Shepard may not have been on it, but taking out his ship would have totally screwed up his plans.

Because they intended to capture the crew. All of it.   Hence them, well, capturing the crew. And they had no way of knowing Shep wasn't on board until they were, well, on board.  As to what would have been done to it after they'd finished, we have no idea because they simply didn't get the chance to do whatever that was.  EDI got the Normandy out of there mere moments after the collecting was wrapped up and there were still Collectors and whatnot in the process of leaving when she vented the ship right before engaging the drive.

[The Big Nothing]

Simon Pegg is the voice actor. Mark my words.

[Brako Von Shepard]

I'm guessing the soldier is talk about London, seeing as that's where he is.



As for the 7 million dead, well that could count for almost all of the London population. But to chap who said it would be better to have captured them, rather than go and kill everyone. Well it could be that the Reaper's make one huge entrance attack from the air, then perhaps after showing what they can easily do, they then convince humans to join them or threaten them with something worse than death.

[AkiKishi]

didymos1120 wrote...

Because they intended to capture the crew. All of it.   Hence them, well, capturing the crew. And they had no way of knowing Shep wasn't on board until they were, well, on board.  As to what would have been done to it after they'd finished, we have no idea because they simply didn't get the chance to do whatever that was.  EDI got the Normandy out of there mere moments after the collecting was wrapped up and there were still Collectors and whatnot in the process of leaving when she vented the ship right before engaging the drive.

2 years earlier dead was fine, makes you wonder what changed and whether Shepard is being set up for a very big fall.

[JRCHOharry]

Cranyx wrote...

Obviously we don't know the specifics of what happened yet, but, really? How is it that a massive attack on a planet with 11.4 billion people only results in 9 million dead by the end of the week?

Is the 9 mill dead including huskified humans? Indoctrinated humans? Missing people? Civilans as well as miltary? Nobody knows. For one city (London is quite small compared to other capital cities), that is a huge number. By 2185/6, that could be the entire populace. And now they are just hearing about other cities under attack.

I also doubt the Reapers would want to kill all of us just yet. They still need to make a new reaper.

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 23 février 2011 - 12:52 .

[LordJeyl]

"2 million dead on the first day"



Those Reapers sure are slow. Wasn't there something that the collectors used that systematically rendered every human helpless? Wasn't there something that weapons and firearms were powerless against and biotic users would be worn out over a certain period of time? What was it....



Oh, yeah. The swarms! Hey Reapers, how about you switch out the paralysis setting with the INSTANT DEATH setting? 2 million dead in one day? They knocked out 654,929 humans in a freaking hour!

[leeboi2]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Cranyx wrote...

Obviously we don't know the specifics of what happened yet, but, really? How is it that a massive attack on a planet with 11.4 billion people only results in 9 million dead by the end of the week?

Is the 9 mill dead including huskified humans? Indoctrinated humans? Missing people? Civilans as well as miltary? Nobody knows. For one city (London is quite small compared to other capital cities), that is a huge number. By 2185/6, that could be the entire populace. And now they are just hearing about other cities under attack.

I also doubt the Reapers would want to kill all of us just yet. They still need to make a new reaper.

London isn't small, London and it's close by area's have a population of 12 million +

[The_Illusive]

Mesina2 wrote...

He says 7 million dead in London, not whole Earth!

How so?

[Wulfram]

LordJeyl wrote...

"2 million dead on the first day"

Those Reapers sure are slow. Wasn't there something that the collectors used that systematically rendered every human helpless? Wasn't there something that weapons and firearms were powerless against and biotic users would be worn out over a certain period of time? What was it....

Oh, yeah. The swarms! Hey Reapers, how about you switch out the paralysis setting with the INSTANT DEATH setting? 2 million dead in one day? They knocked out 654,929 humans in a freaking hour!

I would hopeShepard had the common sense to share Mordin's anti-swarm tech with the various authorities.

[Nicodemus]

didymos1120 wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...
It's part of the indoctrination process, hell even Saren turned out to be nothing more than a Husk at the end.

No, it's not.  Indoctrination is one technology.  Husks are another.  Sometimes, both are used in concert, such as indoctrinating people and then making them husk-spike themselves, but one does not inevitably result from the other.  Nor does someone need to be indoctrinated to become a husk.  You can make them out of recently produced corpses (see the Codex entry).

As to Saren, he wasn't a husk.  He shared characteristics with them, yes, but his capabilities and behavior were very different.  He was actually an avatar of Sovereign in the end, much like Grayson in Retribution, or the possessed Harbinger drones in ME2.

That's why I said it was part of the process didymos. A large number of people get indoctrinated and then spike themselves but not all. Others just get stuck on spikes by Geth or whoever happens to be doing the Reapers bidding. Case in point the first few minutes of ME1 when someone is slapped on a spike by the Geth.

In the end all that is happening is that the Reapers are producing cheap foot soldiers which was what the bone of contention was from the previous posts.

[LordJeyl]

Wulfram wrote...
I would hopeShepard had the common sense to share Mordin's anti-swarm tech with the various authorities.

Even that had it's limits. On the suicide mission, Shepard's squad mates needed to generate a biotic field just to keep the swarms at bay.

The whole concept of the swarms I think was a big misfire in the story department. When you take that into account the capabilities of what the swarms are capable of, couldn't the Reapers just upgrade and modify the swarms to handle obstacles like biotic and dampening fields? You would think they could since they were able to genetically modify the Protheans into the Collectors. And as I said earlier, just swap out the paralyzing juice with the instant death stuff. If the Volus can smuggle drugs and other illegal goods through their cargo, what's stopping anyone from filling crates with modified swarms that can kill you with one bite? It's the perfect weapon that the Reapers have, and they're not using it!

[Therefore_I_Am]

LordJeyl wrote...

"2 million dead on the first day"

Those Reapers sure are slow. Wasn't there something that the collectors used that systematically rendered every human helpless? Wasn't there something that weapons and firearms were powerless against and biotic users would be worn out over a certain period of time? What was it....

Oh, yeah. The swarms! Hey Reapers, how about you switch out the paralysis setting with the INSTANT DEATH setting? 2 million dead in one day? They knocked out 654,929 humans in a freaking hour!

This is the perfect example of a person who does not take a step back and think things through.

Big Ben Guy was most likely talking about his vicinity, his country or city. Not the world. If you actually believe there are only 7 million casualties around the world, than you need to practice on analyzing thoroughly.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 23 février 2011 - 04:36 .

[LordJeyl]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
Big Ben Guy was most likely talking about his vicinity, his country or city. Not the world. If you actually believe there are only 7 million casualties around the world, than you need to practice on analyzing thoroughly.

If he was talking about his vicinity, country or city, than how does he know that the other nations around the world aren't doing a better job at fighting the Reapers? The entire continent of Africa could be fending off the Reapers with great efficiency for all we know. Does he end his vicinity report with "If Shepard doesn't bring help soon, there won't be an England left to save"? No, he says Earth. Unless London changed it's name to Earth which would be very awkward.

[Pwener2313]

Africa is still a third world country in ME. just to clarify. It must be the worst place to be in a Reaper attack. I would believe that Washington D.C. is having some luck but don't count on it. The reapers are more advanced then anything Earth has. Or the Alliance by that matter. Thanix Cannon? Not even Alliance made. They're a Turiab innovation from Sovereign's wreck. Unlikely that humans (or the alliance) have acces to it. Garrus said he had to pull a few strings to get them from the Turian military. The fate of humanity in ME3 falls to the aliens. That is why the choices up to this point matter. Without the alien's support, Earth falls and humanity is severed.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

LordJeyl wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
I would hopeShepard had the common sense to share Mordin's anti-swarm tech with the various authorities.

Even that had it's limits. On the suicide mission, Shepard's squad mates needed to generate a biotic field just to keep the swarms at bay.

The whole concept of the swarms I think was a big misfire in the story department. When you take that into account the capabilities of what the swarms are capable of, couldn't the Reapers just upgrade and modify the swarms to handle obstacles like biotic and dampening fields? You would think they could since they were able to genetically modify the Protheans into the Collectors. And as I said earlier, just swap out the paralyzing juice with the instant death stuff. If the Volus can smuggle drugs and other illegal goods through their cargo, what's stopping anyone from filling crates with modified swarms that can kill you with one bite? It's the perfect weapon that the Reapers have, and they're not using it!

It is safe to assume that  the Reapers are no longer using the seeker swarms as they were part of the Collectors who were deemed unfit and most likely all wiped out in ME2. Harbinger, itself, said that the Reapers would look for another option.

Modifié par LegacyOfTheAsh, 23 février 2011 - 05:52 .

[Therefore_I_Am]

LordJeyl wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
Big Ben Guy was most likely talking about his vicinity, his country or city. Not the world. If you actually believe there are only 7 million casualties around the world, than you need to practice on analyzing thoroughly.

If he was talking about his vicinity, country or city, than how does he know that the other nations around the world aren't doing a better job at fighting the Reapers? The entire continent of Africa could be fending off the Reapers with great efficiency for all we know. Does he end his vicinity report with "If Shepard doesn't bring help soon, there won't be an England left to save"? No, he says Earth. Unless London changed it's name to Earth which would be very awkward.

He probably does know the condition of other countries, but doesn't state how much THEY lost... All he is stating is the status of his location. Losing 7-9 million people in London is a lot, even if the population is a bit crowded there in the future... And we can only imagine how many people have been lost in other cities, which may be a lot also...
And I highly doubt Africa is fending off the reapers with ease, I really doubt it, lol.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 23 février 2011 - 06:57 .