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[Pwener2313]

This was never adressed in Mass Effect 2 or the books or nowhere. Why did they bother to kill Shepard if they wanted him? To take him and build the Reaper and use him as the first candidate? To clone him and make an army. The latter is innacurate since the smoothie machine housed *live* humans and they attacked the SR-1 with the intention of killing everyone aboard, although they did not attack the escaping pods who were easy targets.

Maybe they thought Shepard would survive...?

Shepard is special, we know that since he has the conduit vision and the cipher (if he did not lose them when he died). But that isn't enough for the almighty Reapers to concentrate on just one human. Shepard is just that, one human. Others see him as a hero or threat (criminals) but the Reapers fight races, not single individual. Why spent time hunting down one lowly organic since it was the Alliance that defeated Sovereign in the fight of the Citadel?

Does Shepard seem like a real threat to the Reapers? Why did they want the body anyway if they wanted him dead? It makes no sense since they could wait in dark space until Shepard died and then move in on the galaxy.

Is Shepard special and we don't know it? I wouldn't like it if he was marked or something by some cheap Deus ex Machina.

This was ignored just like the Lazarus Project. Bioware has explained everything so far, even the guns and minimal details like alien religions but don't explain important stuff like plot holes and literal holes in the story that leave the reader/gamer confused and unfulfilled? Im sorry, but that is just bad story writting. Some things are best laid as secrets (Reaper origins) but others are in need of some real explanations.

[AdmiralCheez]

EVERYBODY wants Shepard's body.



Honestly, though, dunno lol.

[Inquisitor Recon]

You know Harbinger wants to sleep with Shepard. Just look at what he says.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 23 février 2011 - 03:26 .

[MisterJB]

The Reapers want to build a Human-Reaper. Just like Legion says, Shepard was the one who discovered the truth about the Genocide cycles, fougth the Reaper Vanguard and won. His code is superior.

Maybe the Reapers want Shepard to be the dominant conscience on the Human-Reaper.

[Pwener2313]

Why are my thread so damn crappy? 20m and only two posts? I hate this place sometimes.



*runs out of room crying*

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

I always figured they wanted Shep's body because of his conviction to every thing he/she is involved in. Like MisterJB said, that type of attitude could be prime for integration into the Human Reaper. Now as far as destroying the Normandy and then attempting to collect the corpse of Shepard, I really can't speculate much there. It seems pretty dubious that the Reapers or Collectors knew that Shepard wouldn't become completely incinerated by the blast. It was a chance occurrence that the body was spaced and pulled into the planet's atmosphere where he was recovered. I just can't see anyone having this kind of hindsight/precognition, even the reapers. It just seems liks a bit of a plot hole.

As far as the Lazarus project is concerned, I was always curious as to why Wilson sabotaged it. I mean, I know that he was growing weary of Miri but killing everyone on the base just seemed psychotic. People are psychotic in real life yes, but this explanation was never given any vaidity...

Then there is the possibility that he was working for the Collectors/Reapers. However, it was already established in Redemption that they wanted Shep's body so that makes little sense in addition to the fact that Wilson's true motivations never panned out. Odd and frustrating indeed.

Modifié par LegacyOfTheAsh, 23 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[Pwener2313]

I think that the Wilson fiasco was he going mad that he didn't get out with the riches he wanted. This is one of the things that I hope is not adressed. He worked for the SB if that helps.

[sporeian]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Why are my thread so damn crappy? 20m and only two posts? I hate this place sometimes.

*runs out of room crying*

...grow a quad!

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I think that the Wilson fiasco was he going mad that he didn't get out with the riches he wanted. This is one of the things that I hope is not adressed. He worked for the SB if that helps.

Could you elaborate further?

[Pwener2313]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

I think that the Wilson fiasco was he going mad that he didn't get out with the riches he wanted. This is one of the things that I hope is not adressed. He worked for the SB if that helps.

Could you elaborate further?

He going mad was my ecuse but in the SB's files he talks about an agent Wilson who is feeeding him info on Ahepard and Cerberus. In other words, a spy. A double spy perhaps. It seems natural that he wanted someone on the inside since Cerberus stole Shepard from him.

Wiki: http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Wilson - Third paragraph

[MisterJB]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

I always figured they wanted Shep's body because of his conviction to every thing he/she is involved in. Like MisterJB said, that type of attitude could be prime for integration into the Human Reaper. Now as far as destroying the Normandy and then attempting to collect the corpse of Shepard, I really can't speculate much there. It seems pretty dubious that the Reapers or Collectors knew that Shepard wouldn't become completely incinerated by the blast. It was a chance occurrence that the body was spaced and pulled into the planet's atmosphere where he was recovered. I just can't see anyone having this kind of hindsight/precognition, even the reapers. It just seems liks a bit of a plot hole.

As far as the Lazarus project is concerned, I was always curious as to why Wilson sabotaged it. I mean, I know that he was growing weary of Miri but killing everyone on the base just seemed psychotic. People are psychotic in real life yes, but this explanation was never given any vaidity...

Then there is the possibility that he was working for the Collectors/Reapers. However, it was already established in Redemption that they wanted Shep's body so that makes little sense in addition to the fact that Wilson's true motivations never panned out. Odd and frustrating indeed.

First of all, the Collector destroying the Normandy and then try to acquire Shepard's corpse is not necessarely a plothole. Harbringer could have decided that the chances of capturing Shepard alive were slim so, he ordered the Collectors to kill him. And when it turned out that Shepard actually left a corpse behind, Harbinger just couldn't believe his luck.

Second, Wilson was working for the Shadow Broker. This was revealed in LotSB. So, I think his plan was to kill everyone in the base before Shepard awoke, take the body to the Shadow Broker who would then sell him to the Collectors just like in Redemption.

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 février 2011 - 04:17 .

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

Pwener2313 wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

I think that the Wilson fiasco was he going mad that he didn't get out with the riches he wanted. This is one of the things that I hope is not adressed. He worked for the SB if that helps.

Could you elaborate further?

He going mad was my ecuse but in the SB's files he talks about an agent Wilson who is feeeding him info on Ahepard and Cerberus. In other words, a spy. A double spy perhaps. It seems natural that he wanted someone on the inside since Cerberus stole Shepard from him.

Wiki: http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Wilson - Third paragraph

Okay yeah I remember that now. I don't know how that slipped my mind lol. Thanks.

[Dirty_Dan]

Didn't EDI say that they wanted Shepard's body to see if it was genetically superior and run some tests on it, otherwise they couldn't give a rats ass about him

[Robibond]

Still what a Shepard's corpse means to harbringer ? Reapers need thousand of human DNA paste materials, specialy biotic humains. I don't think Harbringer needs him to for his DNA more than an other humain.



An hidden conversation with Liara ( dialogue not used, I saw that on another post) in the game said that the reaper's interest for Shepard came from his contact with the prothean beacon. If that so, why Saren who was exposed too to the prothean beacon wasn't used for the collector's plan ????

[D.Sharrah]

Always took it as the Collector's being the ones that were interested in Shepard's body...after all they were done experiments on their genetic code, perhaps that thought Shepard (the guy who helped destroy a reaper - and had the Prothean Cipher), might be useful to them. I have wondered if the while Harbinger was in "hibernation" if the Collector's had their own agenda - and were seeking for a way to undo what the Reaper's had done to them.

Edit:  Maybe that focus changes once Harbinger is awakened I do not know.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 23 février 2011 - 04:46 .

[Adugan]

For the hot necro naughty deeds.



Who DOESNT want to get some Sheploo?

[snakeboy86]

they want to ask him how he got his washboard abs and bulging biceps

[Lieutenant Flashlight]

Here you go Pwener .

It's cut audio files found a while back.  I suggest you go to 1:11 and that's when Liara explains what they wanted you for. 

[VonStrangle]

So that they can ASSUME CONTROL.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Always took it as the Collector's being the ones that were interested in Shepard's body...after all they were done experiments on their genetic code, perhaps that thought Shepard (the guy who helped destroy a reaper - and had the Prothean Cipher), might be useful to them. I have wondered if the while Harbinger was in "hibernation" if the Collector's had their own agenda - and were seeking for a way to undo what the Reaper's had done to them.

Edit:  Maybe that focus changes once Harbinger is awakened I do not know.

That is true but it stil doesn't account for the fact that the SR1 was blown to hell by the Collectors for the off chance that Shep wouldn't become completely eviscerated in the blast. They could have possibly become opportunistic when they found out the body was still partially intact and decided to go ahead and arrange for collection.

[didymos1120]

Lieutenant Flashlight wrote...

Here you go Pwener .

It's cut audio files found a while back.  I suggest you go to 1:11 and that's when Liara explains what they wanted you for. 

Cut material =/= canon.  They've changed many things found in the unused dialogue (and the unused text in the tlk files for that matter).

[Gabey5]

they wanna se the guy who was able to stop them dead in their tracks as they have been doing there thang for millions of years with ease

[Whereto]

Probably want his brain lol

[lawp79]

Lieutenant Flashlight wrote...

Here you go Pwener .

It's cut audio files found a while back.  I suggest you go to 1:11 and that's when Liara explains what they wanted you for. 

Wow that is interesting thanks for that.

On a related note I have often wondered about the vision shep sees on completion of the consorts trinket mission, which is basically the Protheans were watching/studying Neolithic man. I some how think that this could possibly linked in some way to humanities importance, but then again maybe they were studying every other fledgling species.