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[Lieutenant Flashlight]

didymos1120 wrote...

Cut material =/= canon.  They've changed many things found in the unused dialogue (and the unused text in the tlk files for that matter).

Oh, I know.   Since there hasn't been any other reason given in game I'm personally just going by this until it is said otherwise.   That's up to everyone else if they want to take it as the actual answer or not.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Lieutenant Flashlight wrote...

Here you go Pwener .

It's cut audio files found a while back.  I suggest you go to 1:11 and that's when Liara explains what they wanted you for. 

Yeah. I don't know why they've cut it and/or so many others. This one for example makes very clear one of the plot issues some say. Disc space issues? Lack of development time? Anyway, Liara makes this pretty clear in this segment. But personally, I think it's kind of obvious if you think about it.

[Bluko]

ReconTeam wrote...

You know Harbinger wants to sleep with Shepard. Just look at what he says.

I fully endorse this notion. Harbinger for Mass Effect 3 Love Interest!






I dunno my guess is either they want to use Shepard's body as a pinata or believe there is something special about Shepard. Perhaps they want Shepard's body so they can figure out what he/she knows from the Prothean visions and or if he/she knows anything else about them.

Or maybe they believe Shepard is "genetically superior". I dunno could Shepard be a distant relative of Brucie?

Modifié par Bluko, 23 février 2011 - 11:37 .

[LordShrike]

IT HURT US, IT MUST BE KNOWN. BRING THIS ANOMALY FOR STUDY. USE ALL MEANS AVAILABLE. -HARBRINGER.

[Zulmoka531]

LordShrike wrote...

IT HURT US, IT MUST BE KNOWN. BRING THIS ANOMALY FOR STUDY. USE ALL MEANS AVAILABLE. -HARBRINGER.

AND HE NEVER CALLS ANYMORE.

[Gentleman Moogle]

I always figured that the reapers have a special interest in Shepard because he's the one organic creature in millions of years who was able to kick their well-laid plans right in the quads. My guess is that they see something unique about humanity as a whole (Which kinda fits, given how fast the 'muns have leaped onto the galactic scene. From cosmic nobodies to galactic powers in just a couple centuries, and all), and Shepard is the "pinnacle" of the race, so they want to grab him and see what makes him tick.

[Foehunter82]

Take a look at what they've put most of the story's emphasis on: The Lazarus Project, the Genophage, cybernetics, genetically engineered supersoldiers, biotics, Uplifting. Now consider some of what seems to be the lesser discussed things, such as the Consort's Trinket mission that lawp79 referred to.



Upon consideration, and some research, you'll find that the humans have done their share of uplifting, but subsequently outlawed it due to ethical issues. The Turians, apparently, uplifted the Volus. The Salarians uplifted the Krogan. The Collectors? Well, there's two trains of thought I have there. The first is that they were probably uplifted by the Reapers. Hence that "Geth Ascendance" and "We are your genetic ascension" hubris. This leads me to the next train of thought, which is the fact that apparently, the Reapers require the genetic material to create more Reapers. The fact that the Reapers try to pass themselves off as gods furthers both of these trains of thought, in addition to the fact that the Reapers may actually believe that they're gods. After all, the act of uplifting is "playing God" in a way.



The Consort's Trinket gets you a vision of a Cro-Magnon man who is visited by Protheans and monitored. Although, the description itself lends itself to the possibility of the Reapers being involved, as well, considering that the description of the wingless bird fits the Sovereign-class Reapers. Could the monitoring of humans by Protheans/Reapers also imply an attempt at uplifting the human race?



This leads me to my ultimate point: I believe that Shepard is a Prothean. He may not be a genetically pure Prothean, but I believe that he may have a genetic link to the Protheans, which could allow him some form of immunity/resistance to indoctrination, as well as allowed him to survive encounters with Prothean technology. It also, from a story standpoint, may not bode well for Shepard in the long run. I believe that Bioware may be gearing up to ultimately kill Shepard at the end of Mass Effect 3.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Eh, I don't really put much stock on the Beacon as a reason. It's Prothean, and the Protheans -- assuming we believe the lore -- were all wiped out/assimilated by the Reapers. Anything the Beacon might mean to them, they probably already know from their buggified little slaves.



Besides, the Beacon was just a warning that the reapers were coming (I think. Haven't delved into the extended universe like some have), and contains no useful information on how to kill the darn things.



The Thorian... Not sure about that one either. It's dead now, and the reapers seem to be able to accomplish pretty much the same thing it did with their huskification/indoctrination process.



I'm still fairly certain that the whole thing revolves around Humanity's uniqueness as a species, and Shepard's as a person.



@Foehunter:



I have two problems: First; Collectors uplifted by the reapers? Aren't the collectors the Protheans, just genetically re-worked by the Reaps?



Second: I see nothing that suggests the "bird" was actually a reaper. there's not enough description there, and reapers are not known for their "studying" tactics. They're more the "Come, harvest, burn, leave" types. More than likely it was just your basic Prothean starship sent from the base on mars to study these primitive humans.



If there is Prothean DNA in Shepard though, it's going to be wildly degraded by this time. We're talking millenia since it would have been introduced into the genetic stream, and I just can't see it helping Shep right now.



I'm still going with "Humanity is unique". That there's just some quality about the species that is unlike that of others, and that interests the reapers enough to use us to make a new Reaper, and that Shepard is unique among humanity enough that the Reaps actually take the time to learn his name.

[88mphSlayer]

the priiiiiiiize

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Because he/she was resourceful enough too prolong the reaper invasion, he/she has had direct contact with the prothean artifacts and has insight of there systematic plan of invasion that happens the same way everytime except for this time they aren't using the citidel relay too spring the invasion. Shepard and his/her ability too succeed above all odds is different then the other times they've wiped out life in the universe.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Harbinger wants his brains!

[Sajuro]

Sex, Friendship, and a good conversation.
Just like all men <_<

Modifié par Sajuro, 24 février 2011 - 05:26 .

[Ironhyde01]

Shepard smoothies?



Reapers seem to be big on soytlent green.

[Chuvvy]

Necrophilia.

[Foehunter82]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Eh, I don't really put much stock on the Beacon as a reason. It's Prothean, and the Protheans -- assuming we believe the lore -- were all wiped out/assimilated by the Reapers. Anything the Beacon might mean to them, they probably already know from their buggified little slaves.

Besides, the Beacon was just a warning that the reapers were coming (I think. Haven't delved into the extended universe like some have), and contains no useful information on how to kill the darn things.

The Thorian... Not sure about that one either. It's dead now, and the reapers seem to be able to accomplish pretty much the same thing it did with their huskification/indoctrination process.

I'm still fairly certain that the whole thing revolves around Humanity's uniqueness as a species, and Shepard's as a person.

@Foehunter:

I have two problems: First; Collectors uplifted by the reapers? Aren't the collectors the Protheans, just genetically re-worked by the Reaps?

Second: I see nothing that suggests the "bird" was actually a reaper. there's not enough description there, and reapers are not known for their "studying" tactics. They're more the "Come, harvest, burn, leave" types. More than likely it was just your basic Prothean starship sent from the base on mars to study these primitive humans.

If there is Prothean DNA in Shepard though, it's going to be wildly degraded by this time. We're talking millenia since it would have been introduced into the genetic stream, and I just can't see it helping Shep right now.

I'm still going with "Humanity is unique". That there's just some quality about the species that is unlike that of others, and that interests the reapers enough to use us to make a new Reaper, and that Shepard is unique among humanity enough that the Reaps actually take the time to learn his name.

I was speaking purely from the perspective of what the Reapers might try to pass as "uplifted".  After all, to help indoctrination work, the Reapers may have insisted that any genetic tinkering was for the Protheans' own good.  Eventually, many of the Protheans would have cratered to the Reapers' demands.  Look at Sovereign.  It seems pretty clear to me that he convinced Saren that he would be spared, at least for a while, if he did as Sovereign demanded.  That would have been quite the incentive to prevent any resistance to indoctrination on Saren's part.  The Protheans were no doubt given a similar deal before their subsequent transformation into Collectors.

My argument about the wingless bird was probably premature.  Although that red light from the bird before the caveman gets cut off seems to sound like the Reaper primary weapon.

I see your point about the Prothean DNA thing.  My thought was purely from the standpoint that perhaps if the Protheans were monitoring, there had to be a reason.  A potential reason would be because they were attempting to uplift humans, and they perhaps engineered humans with some Prothean DNA as a means to achieve that end.  An alternative theory would be that the human uplifting was a fortunate side effect of Protheans using humans in Prothean cancer research.  
If they did uplift humans, it would make no sense to use just one caveman for the job.  In order for it to have any real potential effect, the genes would have to be introduced to a group of cavemen.  It is true that the DNA would have degraded over time, and probably wouldn't amount to much by the time Shepard was born, but what if it was just enough for him to be able to handle brushes with Prothean technology without suffering serious injury.  After all, Liara did say that a lesser mind would have been devastated by the beacon's surge of information.

All that said, what's the story on the Lazarus Project.  What's up with those red glowing eyes and Husk-like scars for Renegade Shepard?  That all definitely looks like Reaper tech.

[TheEgoRaptor]

Whereto wrote...

Probably want his brain lol

ZOMBIES!

[Azazel005]

Why wouldn't they? It stands to reason he is the most significant member of his species as far as the reapers are concerned. Whatever intentions they have wit the physical corpse would depend on both an understanding of their logic and resources which we as the audience, lack.



Themetically the reapers seem intent on 'harvesting' whatever the essence of life is of a species by grinding them into paste. The purpose? Again we'd need to understand their thinking and technology and we just don't at this time. Whatever they 'gain' from the grinding of millions of living beings into soup (a soul?) it seems they clearly want what they percieve as the most important human involved.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Foehunter82 wrote...

All that said, what's the story on the Lazarus Project.  What's up with those red glowing eyes and Husk-like scars for Renegade Shepard?  That all definitely looks like Reaper tech.

Huh. Now THAT is something I hadn't considered before. I always just kinda figured that it was some doofy mechanic like the whole 'you'll get horns' thing from Fable. But now that I think of it, you're kinda right. 

...

Of course, that brings a whole WORLD of new and scary possibilities to the forefront. If the scars and red eyes are evidence of an advancing reaper-tech incursion, wouldn't that make the 'Renegade" options essentially "Indoctrination"? The scars and eyes come about as you choose more and more renegade, right? (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't played as renegade yet). We know that the effects of the indoctrination are subtle, and we also know that the Reapers have the ability to apply cybernetic grafts to organics (Saren got some in ME1 after your encounter on... Er... The planet where Ash or Kaiden got atomized), I wonder if these are some of those types of implants...

And that means that by choosing Paragon options, you're actually actively RESISTING indoctrination, even without knowing it. 

Okay, now I'm gettin' creeped out. 

[Foehunter82]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Foehunter82 wrote...

All that said, what's the story on the Lazarus Project.  What's up with those red glowing eyes and Husk-like scars for Renegade Shepard?  That all definitely looks like Reaper tech.

Huh. Now THAT is something I hadn't considered before. I always just kinda figured that it was some doofy mechanic like the whole 'you'll get horns' thing from Fable. But now that I think of it, you're kinda right. 

...

Of course, that brings a whole WORLD of new and scary possibilities to the forefront. If the scars and red eyes are evidence of an advancing reaper-tech incursion, wouldn't that make the 'Renegade" options essentially "Indoctrination"? The scars and eyes come about as you choose more and more renegade, right? (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't played as renegade yet). We know that the effects of the indoctrination are subtle, and we also know that the Reapers have the ability to apply cybernetic grafts to organics (Saren got some in ME1 after your encounter on... Er... The planet where Ash or Kaiden got atomized), I wonder if these are some of those types of implants...

And that means that by choosing Paragon options, you're actually actively RESISTING indoctrination, even without knowing it. 

Okay, now I'm gettin' creeped out. 

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Seriously, though.  You never actually thought about that?  Has anyone else thought about that?  I'm sorry, I just assumed everyone had considered that already.  Heck, Mass Effect 2 wasn't even out and I saw this pic: http://na.llnet.biow...4-1920x1200.jpg

My first instinct was "holy crap, now they're turning Shepard into a Husk".

The cybernetic grafts on Virmire?  Are you referring to the blue glowy eyes and teeth?  He actually had those when he shot Nihlus in the back.  Although, I do recall him bragging about further grafts in the Citadel Tower.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

^^ I've been saying it for a year now if you are to renegade you will become indoctrinated through your cybernetics just like Saren mark my words!

Modifié par Shepard needs a Vacation, 24 février 2011 - 02:08 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Saren never had the full-on cybernetic implants until the last bit in ME1; he was wavering in his beliefs (in my game, anyways) after you talk to him on Virmire, so Sovereign went and cyborged him to erase any doubt. What's creepy is that he still thought he was doing the right thing... Kinda like Shepard when he goes Renegade, neh?



Hah, that'd be an incredible mind job. People keep harping on Bioware to let their decisions mean something... "Okay, fine, you want meaningful decisions? You know all those times you punched the reporter? Bam, now you're commander Reaperd. Have fun with that."

[eldav]

Shepard is the starchild

[Foehunter82]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Saren never had the full-on cybernetic implants until the last bit in ME1; he was wavering in his beliefs (in my game, anyways) after you talk to him on Virmire, so Sovereign went and cyborged him to erase any doubt. What's creepy is that he still thought he was doing the right thing... Kinda like Shepard when he goes Renegade, neh?

Hah, that'd be an incredible mind job. People keep harping on Bioware to let their decisions mean something... "Okay, fine, you want meaningful decisions? You know all those times you punched the reporter? Bam, now you're commander Reaperd. Have fun with that."

LOL!!!  Then we have the start of a new trilogy:  Mass Effect 4.

The first scene will be Anderson explaining to your new character that a rogue Spectre named Commander Reaperd hates humans (or reporters, anyway).

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

saren may have never had full on cybernetics until after the virmire encounter but he had enough to be controlled before that look at his body he's got tubes and **** coming out of him