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[Gentleman Moogle]

I seem to recall him saying that he'd never gone that far with Sovereign. I could be wrong though, I've only played through the game twice, and I don't remember the exact lines. From what I understood, there were no cybernetics in place, just the passive indoctrination that comes from being in close contact with a Reaper. Which was why we were able to get through to him on Virmire, because he wasn't 100% loyal to Sovereign just yet.



And we do know that Reapertech can be fought; Benezia was able to reclaim herself briefly after getting whooped on Noveria, and even Saren with all his fancy indoctrination cybernetics was able to be talked into shooting himself if you have Paragon/Renegade high enough. It does make me start to wonder if Shep really does have Reapertech in him, and that his actions toward Paragon are actively fighting that indoctrination process.



I kinda hope that's true. It'd show Bioware has some truly Massive quads if they're willing to say "would you kindly notice the plot twist here" and make you into a dupe for the reapers. Sure, it might ****** some people off... But it'd be a killer plot twist, and it'd up the replay value for sure.

[Annihilator27]

After the events of ME3 2:00AM

"I know you feel thissss"

FemShepard "Not now Harbinger"

"It's always not now with you, I allready apologized for harvesting a quarter of your species"



Im guessing they want Shepards body because of what Shepard has been through.Perhaps the Lazarus project had Reaper tech......

[Foehunter82]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

I seem to recall him saying that he'd never gone that far with Sovereign. I could be wrong though, I've only played through the game twice, and I don't remember the exact lines. From what I understood, there were no cybernetics in place, just the passive indoctrination that comes from being in close contact with a Reaper. Which was why we were able to get through to him on Virmire, because he wasn't 100% loyal to Sovereign just yet.

And we do know that Reapertech can be fought; Benezia was able to reclaim herself briefly after getting whooped on Noveria, and even Saren with all his fancy indoctrination cybernetics was able to be talked into shooting himself if you have Paragon/Renegade high enough. It does make me start to wonder if Shep really does have Reapertech in him, and that his actions toward Paragon are actively fighting that indoctrination process.

I kinda hope that's true. It'd show Bioware has some truly Massive quads if they're willing to say "would you kindly notice the plot twist here" and make you into a dupe for the reapers. Sure, it might ****** some people off... But it'd be a killer plot twist, and it'd up the replay value for sure.

I fully agree with you there.  It would be a great plot twist.  Write it in such a way that the players have no clue that they're slowly becoming the enemy.  I'm of course basing it on what I read on these forums the other day.  Apparently, in the expanded universe, TIM was exposed to Reaper tech, hence the glowing blue eyes (as far as I understand, anyway).  This actually begs another question:  If Lazarus is Reaper tech, and TIM was exposed to Reaper tech, and we all know that the Reapers have a vested interest in Shepard now, is Lazarus actually a means to indoctrinate Shepard without anyone knowing?  Just how loyal to humanity is TIM?


@Annihilator27:

That was so wrong.  I loved it. 

Modifié par Foehunter82, 24 février 2011 - 07:44 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Well, if you want to take the "Renegade makes Shepard Reapery, Paragon makes him Shepardy" theme and run with it, you could hypothesize that it works exactly different for TIM. Where Shep's reapertech is red (associated with Renegade), TIM's reapertech is Blue (Associated with Paragon.) If we assume that Renegade makes Shepard more Reapery, then perhaps Paragon makes TIM more Reapery, and that's why he's such a colossal b*stard, because he too is actively fighting against the Reaper Indoctrination in him.



I don't know how feasible this is, but it's fun to think about.

[oyukichan]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Foehunter82 wrote...

All that said, what's the story on the Lazarus Project.  What's up with those red glowing eyes and Husk-like scars for Renegade Shepard?  That all definitely looks like Reaper tech.

Huh. Now THAT is something I hadn't considered before. I always just kinda figured that it was some doofy mechanic like the whole 'you'll get horns' thing from Fable. But now that I think of it, you're kinda right. 

...

Of course, that brings a whole WORLD of new and scary possibilities to the forefront. If the scars and red eyes are evidence of an advancing reaper-tech incursion, wouldn't that make the 'Renegade" options essentially "Indoctrination"? The scars and eyes come about as you choose more and more renegade, right? (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't played as renegade yet). We know that the effects of the indoctrination are subtle, and we also know that the Reapers have the ability to apply cybernetic grafts to organics (Saren got some in ME1 after your encounter on... Er... The planet where Ash or Kaiden got atomized), I wonder if these are some of those types of implants...

And that means that by choosing Paragon options, you're actually actively RESISTING indoctrination, even without knowing it. 

Okay, now I'm gettin' creeped out. 

Through conversations with certain people in game ME2, you can discover that Cerberus has gotten a hold of Reaper tech (both from Sovereign's remains on the Citadel and, previously, from Cerberus' involvement with the original guy who discovered Sovereign as can be read in the Revelation book). Cerberus has been running experiments with Reaper tech for years before the Lazarus Project. And then, if you read Retribution, it is explicitly clear that Cerberus has been implanting humans with Reaper tech after Shep stops Sovereign on the Citadel.

I am totally on board with Renegade Shep being slowly indoctrinated through his/her implants. I don't know if anyone/thing has come out and said that some of the cybernetics used in the Lazarus Project are Reaper tech, but I would bet that they are.

Modifié par AurinShepard, 24 février 2011 - 08:44 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

I think they want his body because he came back from the dead.

So it was obviously a mind-screw for the collectors.

They want to know, if like a machine, Shepard can simply rebuild himself, and if these humans truly do have something greater in certain members of their species, like how super-special Krogan are biotic.

Super-special humans have likely-plot-death immunity. And if they do die, they just come back!

[eldav]

nobody wants my body.....



....But hey the reason they want Shepards body/ressurected mind is because Shepard is the culmanative of their work in guiding organic life in order to surpass themself, thus earning the last bitt off knowledge stored in the Monolith...



Also it`s 1.30 am here

[Jarlan23]

I think you guys are thinking too much into this. In my opinion the Reapers want to study Shepard because he is there only true threat. He's done things that no other human could do. He's a superior human. That's why they want to study him.

[eldav]

.....that was what i said.

[Gentleman Moogle]

But... But... It's FUN to over-think things!

[DC1to1]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

I seem to recall him saying that he'd never gone that far with Sovereign. I could be wrong though, I've only played through the game twice, and I don't remember the exact lines. From what I understood, there were no cybernetics in place, just the passive indoctrination that comes from being in close contact with a Reaper. Which was why we were able to get through to him on Virmire, because he wasn't 100% loyal to Sovereign just yet.

And we do know that Reapertech can be fought; Benezia was able to reclaim herself briefly after getting whooped on Noveria, and even Saren with all his fancy indoctrination cybernetics was able to be talked into shooting himself if you have Paragon/Renegade high enough. It does make me start to wonder if Shep really does have Reapertech in him, and that his actions toward Paragon are actively fighting that indoctrination process.

I kinda hope that's true. It'd show Bioware has some truly Massive quads if they're willing to say "would you kindly notice the plot twist here" and make you into a dupe for the reapers. Sure, it might ****** some people off... But it'd be a killer plot twist, and it'd up the replay value for sure.

I for one think you are right..  The Mass Effect world is so rich, deep and contextually realistic.   TIM is very deceptive and has vast resources (remember that all the sponsors work independently ... and do not know the identity of the other respective Cerberus leads).    So it’s very plausible that Sheppard was rebuilt with Reaper tech .. and we all know that TIM craves that stuff like Whitney Houston craves cra…

Modifié par DC1to1, 25 février 2011 - 01:37 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Because they pick the genetically superior too dissect at the Reaper School of galactic domination

[Illusive]

Wild speculation here, but if I recall, when you ask Legion why the geth were interested in finding Shepard after his/her death, Legion says something to the effect that Shepard killed the Old Machines' "God", undoubtedly referring to Sovereign. So maybe Sovereign was actually the Head/King Reaper? Given the fact that synthetic reconstruction played a large part in resurrecting Shepard, it is a possibility that the synthetics could have come from Sovereign itself. So therefore, the rest of the Reapers want Shepard's body because part of their "leader" is build into Shepard, making Shepard an actual Reaper during the events of ME2.

Would make for an interesting twist at least   

[Guanxii]

 I'm pretty sure Liara said in LoTSB that the reapers were interested in Shepard's body because of his contact with the prothean beacon and the thorian and I was surprised because I remember thinking at time that they were looking for a replacement for Saran, a Saren 2.0 to ride their giant human shaped death machine and to command an army of indoctrinated human-reaper servants! Who better?

But then as you say, why did they destroy the normandy in the first place... unless they were going to rebuild him to serve them.

[Moiaussi]

They wanted Shep pre-lazarus though, so lazarus isn't the reason. More likely they wanted a couple things... shep's dna, because shep is 'exceptional', and to learn what Shep knew about the prothean resistance.... the beacon's message plus cypher, plus anything else passed on via the Thorian via Shiara

[Orcvader]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lieutenant Flashlight wrote...

Here you go Pwener .

It's cut audio files found a while back.  I suggest you go to 1:11 and that's when Liara explains what they wanted you for. 

Cut material =/= canon.  They've changed many things found in the unused dialogue (and the unused text in the tlk files for that matter).

I can't wait to get home and check that out...

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Reapers were turned on by Shepard's sexiness... why else?

[Ahriman]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Lieutenant Flashlight wrote...

Here you go Pwener .

It's cut audio files found a while back.  I suggest you go to 1:11 and that's when Liara explains what they wanted you for. 

Yeah. I don't know why they've cut it and/or so many others. This one for example makes very clear one of the plot issues some say. Disc space issues? Lack of development time? Anyway, Liara makes this pretty clear in this segment. But personally, I think it's kind of obvious if you think about it.

They've cuted it for a reason.
There is no Feros anymore.
Perhaps Mac just saw it and told them that it's not the reason of Reaper's interest. This Shepard's body thing is his idea after all.

Modifié par Wizz, 28 février 2011 - 07:17 .