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[Ronny Winkler]

did not underdstand why made characters in origins were so drastically changed for dragon age 2?? any comments??

[Taleroth]

Because she used a crappy facegen face and generic clothing. This is an actual unique model.

[upsettingshorts]

That's the reason for Isabela and Merrill mostly.

The reason for Flemeth is she's a shapeshifter, and puts on the face she wants others to see.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 23 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[Teh Chozen Wun]

Because... Flemeth wasn't intimidating at all in DAO.

[thatbwoyblu]

Shes a witch of the wilds and that was her evil devil form in the demo.When our warden met her she put on her old crow persona.

[Taleroth]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That's the reason for Isabela and Merrill mostly.

The reason for Flemeth is she's a shapeshifter, and puts on the face she wants others to see.

If it's the reason for Isabela, Merrill, the entire Elven and Darkspawn races, I don't think it's a stretch to apply it to Flemeth, as well.

[PsychoBlonde]

Being an oracle/trickster/deus ex machina character, Flemeth takes on numerous different personas.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Teh Chozen Wun wrote...

Because... Flemeth wasn't intimidating at all in DAO.

Seriously.  I'm not even sure if she had a unique face in the game.

[Riloux]

I liked her old lady look. It added to her mystique. Who would think that this innocent looking old woman would be a powerful entity from beyond the Fade.

The new one just gives her away at first sight.

Modifié par Riloux, 23 février 2011 - 05:42 .

[mesmerizedish]

Taleroth wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That's the reason for Isabela and Merrill mostly.

The reason for Flemeth is she's a shapeshifter, and puts on the face she wants others to see.

If it's the reason for Isabela, Merrill, the entire Elven and Darkspawn races, I don't think it's a stretch to apply it to Flemeth, as well.

I think that even if they had used a unique model in Origins, they'd have made her a batty old hag in tattered clothing. Just more unique tattered clothing. It all comes down to how she chooses to present herself. She must have known that my Hawke totally digs silver vixens.

[Taleroth]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That's the reason for Isabela and Merrill mostly.

The reason for Flemeth is she's a shapeshifter, and puts on the face she wants others to see.

If it's the reason for Isabela, Merrill, the entire Elven and Darkspawn races, I don't think it's a stretch to apply it to Flemeth, as well.

I think that even if they had used a unique model in Origins, they'd have made her a batty old hag in tattered clothing. Just more unique tattered clothing. It all comes down to how she chooses to present herself. She must have known that my Hawke totally digs silver vixens.

I think they would have at least had her dress remotely similar to her daughter as opposed to... say, the tower robes she instead wore when you fought her.  This new dress actually has at least one shared element with Morrigan.  And similar makeup.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 février 2011 - 05:43 .

[Ziggeh]

Taleroth wrote...

If it's the reason for Isabela, Merrill, the entire Elven and Darkspawn races, I don't think it's a stretch to apply it to Flemeth, as well.

The different appearances she uses actively help her fulfill the different roles she's playing. If she'd appeared like that in Origin's I'd have spent a good deal of it grumbling that she could have lent more of a hand, while if old lady nutjob had told me she could see me safely through the blight ranks I'd have asked her if it involved her army of cats.

[mesmerizedish]

Taleroth wrote...

I think they would have at least had her dress remotely similar to her daughter as opposed to... say, the tower robes she instead wore when you fought her.  This new dress actually has at least one shared element with Morrigan.  And similar makeup.

I'd be inclined to agree that she'd wear a dress similar to Morrigan's, but I think that she appeared as a crazy cat lady for more than just the lulz. If all you're saying is that they had an opportunity to give her a unique model and they ran with it, then there's no disagreement whatsoever. I'm just saying that if they'd given her a unique model in Origins, it still wouldn't be the one we see in DAII.

[Ronny Winkler]

all i no is no matter how she looks ill cut her down just like i did in the first

[Huntress]

Flemeth is something, she show herself as a weak old lady to the warden's so they took pity of her and take morrigan's with them, already morrigan's is in reach of an god-soul, she now show herself to hawk's as what she really is, a very dangerous person... sneaky!

[Morroian]

Riloux wrote...

I liked her old lady look. It added to her mystique. Who would think that this innocent looking old woman would be a powerful entity from beyond the Fade.

The new one just gives her away at first sight.

Thats the point, she's not trying to hide in DA2.

[AdmiralCheez]

Nothing to add except: I really like Flemeth's design. Epic hair is epic. Loltastically so.



Of course, since I never got past the opening levels of DAO, my opinion doesn't count.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

While we're on the subject, I always wanted Morrigan to expand on her comments about the company (men) Flemeth would have over. I mean, we knew she was in fact quite hot. It's just good to see the art exhibit that this time around.

[Mary Kirby]

Riloux wrote...

I liked her old lady look. It added to her mystique. Who would think that this innocent looking old woman would be a powerful entity from beyond the Fade.

The new one just gives her away at first sight.

You don't think that maybe... shapeshifting out of dragon form does that before you notice her new clothes and hair? It's not like she could be subtle in that case.

[RyuVeenix]

Ziggeh wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

If it's the reason for Isabela, Merrill, the entire Elven and Darkspawn races, I don't think it's a stretch to apply it to Flemeth, as well.

The different appearances she uses actively help her fulfill the different roles she's playing. If she'd appeared like that in Origin's I'd have spent a good deal of it grumbling that she could have lent more of a hand, while if old lady nutjob had told me she could see me safely through the blight ranks I'd have asked her if it involved her army of cats.

lol. I for one like the model changes though I think the Isabela skin tone change was alittle much but i can see why they'd wanna add some sort of racial diversity in the game.

[Romantiq]

Well thats her dragon outfit. She wouldn't want to be walking in that tight costume all the time now would she? Makes Morrigan look pale in comparison.

[Taleroth]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I think they would have at least had her dress remotely similar to her daughter as opposed to... say, the tower robes she instead wore when you fought her.  This new dress actually has at least one shared element with Morrigan.  And similar makeup.

I'd be inclined to agree that she'd wear a dress similar to Morrigan's, but I think that she appeared as a crazy cat lady for more than just the lulz. If all you're saying is that they had an opportunity to give her a unique model and they ran with it, then there's no disagreement whatsoever. I'm just saying that if they'd given her a unique model in Origins, it still wouldn't be the one we see in DAII.

And I'm saying that if they'd given her a unique model in DAO, then we'd be seeing that unique model in DA2 instead of the difference.

Our knowledge of shapeshifting has it stated that shapeshifters can't take different human forms.  And there's an art change towards unique models.  The easier explanation is that she got along on the unique model train, choo choo.

Yes, it's entirely possible that Morrigan is wrong and shapeshifters can do that.  Or maybe Flemeth is uniquely powerful in that regard.  But it's also just as possible and roundabout that Varric is making everything up, has never seen a Darkspawn in his life, nor even an elf, or Isabela and therefore is only guessing at appearance in the game with his unreliable narrator status.  Which also goes to explain Flemeth.

It's neat, it's exciting, it's also entirely unnecessary to conclude.  Flemeth doesn't even turn into the same dragon.  Is it that she wants her dragon to be a crazy cat dragon?

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[krogan warlord83]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Riloux wrote...

I liked her old lady look. It added to her mystique. Who would think that this innocent looking old woman would be a powerful entity from beyond the Fade.

The new one just gives her away at first sight.

You don't think that maybe... shapeshifting out of dragon form does that before you notice her new clothes and hair? It's not like she could be subtle in that case.

LOL ^this

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Taleroth wrote...

Yes, it's entirely possible that Morrigan is wrong and shapeshifters can do that.  Or maybe Flemeth is uniquely powerful in that regard.  

Considering how rediculous the entire notion of "I can only shift to something that benefits me/learn from" is as a basis for whether or not it's possible to shapechange to something, I think it's a given that there's nothing preventing a shapeshifter from changing into a human.

But, hey. Maybe that's just me.