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[Aran Linvail]

Flemeth is the witch of the wilds , shapeshifter , etc ... So the change in her model can have some kind of explanation ... But the Darkspawn , really , the new darkspawn

[Taleroth]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Yes, it's entirely possible that Morrigan is wrong and shapeshifters can do that.  Or maybe Flemeth is uniquely powerful in that regard.  

Considering how rediculous the entire notion of "I can only shift to something that benefits me/learn from" is as a basis for whether or not it's possible to shapechange to something, I think it's a given that there's nothing preventing a shapeshifter from changing into a human.

But, hey. Maybe that's just me.

I'm fairly certain the basis is that they can shapechange into any animal so long as they get into the mindset of the creature, think like it.  Which is why you can't shapechange into different human forms, since thinking like a human is just being yourself.

One could argue that if you thought like a stupid blonde bimbo you could turn into someone with long blonde hair and exaggerated features, but I'm not sure Bioware wants to go there and explore social stereotypes.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 février 2011 - 05:59 .

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Morrigan never siad shapershifters can't change into different humans she siad SHE had no intrest in doing it.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Awesomness wrote...

Morrigan never siad shapershifters can't change into different humans she siad SHE had no intrest in doing it.

I was going to type something, but this sums it up in a much shorter way. 

[Mustang678]

I think the fact that she looks so different to Hawke should add to her mystery

Modifié par Mustang678, 23 février 2011 - 06:00 .

[Kingthlayer]

Taleroth wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I think they would have at least had her dress remotely similar to her daughter as opposed to... say, the tower robes she instead wore when you fought her.  This new dress actually has at least one shared element with Morrigan.  And similar makeup.

I'd be inclined to agree that she'd wear a dress similar to Morrigan's, but I think that she appeared as a crazy cat lady for more than just the lulz. If all you're saying is that they had an opportunity to give her a unique model and they ran with it, then there's no disagreement whatsoever. I'm just saying that if they'd given her a unique model in Origins, it still wouldn't be the one we see in DAII.

And I'm saying that if they'd given her a unique model in DAO, then we'd be seeing that unique model in DA2 instead of the difference.

Our knowledge of shapeshifting has it stated that shapeshifters can't take different human forms.  And there's an art change towards unique models.  The easier explanation is that she got along on the unique model train, choo choo.

Yes, it's entirely possible that Morrigan is wrong and shapeshifters can do that.  Or maybe Flemeth is uniquely powerful in that regard.  But it's also just as possible and roundabout that Varric is making everything up, has never seen a Darkspawn in his life, nor even an elf, or Isabela and therefore is only guessing at appearance in the game with his unreliable narrator status.  Which also goes to explain Flemeth.

It's neat, it's exciting, it's also entirely unnecessary to conclude.  Flemeth doesn't even turn into the same dragon.  Is it that she wants her dragon to be a crazy cat dragon?

It's been a while since I played DA:O but I thought Morrigan said she didn't care to turn into another human because she's already a human, and not that she can't.  Plus isn't also said that Flameth had many other forms throughout the years she's been alive?

[Taleroth]

Awesomness wrote...

Morrigan never siad shapershifters can't change into different humans she siad SHE had no intrest in doing it.

She said it was impossible because it would just turn her into herself.  AND that she had no interest.

[Huntress]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Yes, it's entirely possible that Morrigan is wrong and shapeshifters can do that.  Or maybe Flemeth is uniquely powerful in that regard.  

Considering how rediculous the entire notion of "I can only shift to something that benefits me/learn from" is as a basis for whether or not it's possible to shapechange to something, I think it's a given that there's nothing preventing a shapeshifter from changing into a human.

But, hey. Maybe that's just me.

I love the hair of your warden.. what mod???? ops and why change into another human form, not one will look at a dog, bird or cat that are passing by.

Modifié par Huntress, 23 février 2011 - 06:31 .

[Face of Evil]

Mary Kirby wrote...

You don't think that maybe... shapeshifting out of dragon form does that before you notice her new clothes and hair? It's not like she could be subtle in that case.

Good point.

From a player perspective, none of us have any illusions about what Flemeth is now. We know she is not to be trusted and we know she is dangerous. She might as well look the part.

[T1l]

I dislike the entire art direction of DA2. I undertand they're trying to match their comic book series, but it would have been nice if the comics had have been better drawn in the first place and matched the original Dragon Age.



The cartoon-look drastically takes away from the darker tone.

[mesmerizedish]

Filament wrote...

It could be that she doesn't know how, but Flemeth does. Or that Flemeth can do it because she's not truly human. (according to Morrigan in Witch Hunt)

Flemeth is OGB. It all makes sense now.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Huntress wrote...

I love the hair of your warden.. what mod???? ops and why change into another human form, will notes you, not one will look at a dog, bird or cat that are passing by.

http://social.biowar...m/project/3766/

[Riloux]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Riloux wrote...

I liked her old lady look. It added to her mystique. Who would think that this innocent looking old woman would be a powerful entity from beyond the Fade.

The new one just gives her away at first sight.

You don't think that maybe... shapeshifting out of dragon form does that before you notice her new clothes and hair? It's not like she could be subtle in that case.

I'm not talking about Flemeth in the context of Hawke's story. To people who have not seen her before (possibly including other NPCs),  her new look gives her away.

[-Skorpious-]

Should I feel bad for finding Flemeth strangely attractive? Her face may not look the best, but the way she walks towards Hawke makes me just about lose it.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 23 février 2011 - 06:13 .

[HolyJellyfish]

I think the story sort of speaks for itself.

Flemeth appeared to the Grey Warden as a weak, old, unassuming if not eccentric woman in order to hand her daughter Morrigan to the party so her plans could take place. I doubt the Grey Wardens would care much for what she had entailed if she first appeared as a magnificent dragon and morphed into a gorgeous figure that could cause Ogres to shake at the sight of her.


When Flemeth appeared to Hawke, she wanted to impress an aura of power and might so that Hawke would be convinced she could whisk her out of Lothering and not to cross her (As in attack her) on sight.


Flemeth is a master manipulator. She appears to those the way she wants to sculpt the scene.

[marcusgs221]

Isabella had a very minor role in DAO and prob didnt get the same amount of design attention that she did for DA2. and besides why not have a smokin hot pirate with huge boobs? for a animation she is hot so the change doesnt bother me at all. Bring on the huge rack. (if only they bounced when she runs)

[Dendens]

Taleroth wrote...

Awesomness wrote...

Morrigan never siad shapershifters can't change into different humans she siad SHE had no intrest in doing it.

She said it was impossible because it would just turn her into herself.  AND that she had no interest.

The devs have said that while Morrigan cannot shapeshift into a human, it has no bearing on another mages ability to shapeshift into one.

They have also said that Flemeth's new look has more to do with how Flemeth wishes to present herself to Hawke, as opposed to the new art direction

CBF with the links. They're buried deep in here somewhere

[The Big Nothing]

I like to believe that she changes her appearance to appeal to whomever she is speaking.

[The Big Nothing]

Why drastically change darkspawn, is a better question.

[eucatastrophe]

Taleroth wrote...

Because she used a crappy facegen face and generic clothing. This is an actual unique model.

/thread really AFAWK.

and

The Big Nothing wrote...

Why drastically change darkspawn, is a better question.

this!

Modifié par eucatastrophe, 23 février 2011 - 06:32 .

[Riloux]

Yes, the darkspawn change irks me much more. I wish they would have at least omitted the stupid hats.

[Altima Darkspells]

It's also possible that Flemeth is actually wearing battle armor, since she may be expecting a fight.



It looks a bit similar to the Chasind Robes you find in Origins.

[themageguy]

in regards to shapeshifting we are told that to change ones shape u must copy the shapes soul (shale asks her why she doesnt choose the superior form of a golem). When asked about turning into a human morrigan retorts with what does she have to gain by learning another human form as she is already human.

With flemeth, in the story where a lone templar hunts her, flemeth is shown to have many human guises.

I think a shapshifter can, given time (flemeths had plenty) change into a human shape. Morrigan on the other simply chosses not to.



Im hoping it'll make a return as a spec in an expansion pack.