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[themageguy]

actually ppl fear blood magic, whats to stop a servant to a king whos a secret mage, copying a kings shape and killing said person and posing as a king? Thatd make a kool twist.

[Erani]

Because Flemeth is not what she (if it is even female) seems...She appeared to the Wardens as an old woman as to look non-threatening.."here, take my powerful mage daughter, she'll help you with the Blight"...When dealing with Hawke, she decides to appear in all her  grandeur and awesomness for reasons we don't yet know.

For all we know, Morrigan lied about mostly everything she told the Warden about Flemeth and/or Flemeth lied to Morrigan about everything...She can shapeshift into anything she wants and she's definitively not just an 'abomination". 

Modifié par Erani, 23 février 2011 - 06:55 .

[themageguy]

and flemeth looks awesome and has killer style. Haha.

[Kreid]

My two cents:

a) New Flemeth design is awesome, really reminded me of an older iteration of Morrigan.

After seeing her dragon form in action I wouldn't help thinking how badass my Warden's party is to be able to take her down.

[JedTed]

What i don't get is why would she appear like she does in DA2 to Hawke, yet trick the Warden into thinking she's an old lady. There's also the odd continuity of it all, the scene in the demo is not long after she saves the Warden at Ostagar.



I geuss she has a different human form for everyone she meets.

[wulfsturm]

New Flemeth LI coming out in a DLC after launch.



You heard it hear first people.

[Kreid]

JedTed wrote...

What i don't get is why would she appear like she does in DA2 to Hawke, yet trick the Warden into thinking she's an old lady. There's also the odd continuity of it all, the scene in the demo is not long after she saves the Warden at Ostagar.

I geuss she has a different human form for everyone she meets.

As Mary said in page one, no point in disguising as an old woman when Hawke and co. have already seen her as a high dragon, also have account this happens after Lothering is deastroyed wich occurs significantly later than the battle Ostagar in Origins, at this point, the Warden has already completed one of the treaty quests 

Modifié par Creid-X, 23 février 2011 - 07:16 .

[Arandomindividual]

New Flemeth is way more interesting. Her walking animation is the worst I've seen in a video game I'm sure for a decade at least.

[Geimhreadh]

I find it funny that people are assuming that the difference between the DAO and DA2 versions of Flemeth require shapeshifting. It could all plausibly be done with posture, mannerisms, and something to stiffen the hair. That said, if your initial appearance is in the form of a great dragon there's not really a whole lot of point in pretending you're just some old widow living out in the middle of BFE.



Also, I do remember Morrigan saying that she didn't see a reason to learn how to shift to another human form, not that it couldn't be done.

[Aran Linvail]

Riloux wrote...

Yes, the darkspawn change irks me much more. I wish they would have at least omitted the stupid hats.

They make me think of the Cretan Archers from Rome Total War

[asaiasai]

I really like the new Flemeth but the new Flemeth stands out so it is impractical for her to be "out" all the time, trying to stay unnoticed as a frumpy old woman is much much easier. All i can say is..... that is twice now Flemeth saved your ass. Your backing the wrong horse folks, but i am sure that has its own attractions, to each his own.



Anyway. Kate you sexy sexy thang wooo, get down with it.



Asai

[Ollys]

Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

Riloux wrote...

Yes, the darkspawn change irks me much more. I wish they would have at least omitted the stupid hats.

They make me think of the Cretan Archers from Rome Total War

Well, probably this is old Teventer armor. Darkspawns keep this from previous Blights.

[Chadthesad]

Riloux wrote...

I liked her old lady look. It added to her mystique. Who would think that this innocent looking old woman would be a powerful entity from beyond the Fade.

The new one just gives her away at first sight.

Yes, she was mysterious, still is. In the first one, you'd think "Oh! Wait a minute she just turned into a giant fire breathing lizard!"
sorta meant she was a powerful entity. It is to be determined, why she revealed such power to the Hawke's. I speculate it is manipulation. In Origins, the character was trying to create "a fear where one doesn't know". 

[LumpOfCole]

Anything can be artistically retconned because the entire story is told from the perspective of a dwarf relaying the information - any artistic elements you see that differ from Origins can be explained by saying that the dwarf has exaggerated his story.

[JedTed]

Creid-X wrote...

JedTed wrote...

What i don't get is why would she appear like she does in DA2 to Hawke, yet trick the Warden into thinking she's an old lady. There's also the odd continuity of it all, the scene in the demo is not long after she saves the Warden at Ostagar.

I geuss she has a different human form for everyone she meets.

As Mary said in page one, no point in disguising as an old woman when Hawke and co. have already seen her as a high dragon, also have account this happens after Lothering is deastroyed wich occurs significantly later than the battle Ostagar in Origins, at this point, the Warden has already completed one of the treaty quests 

My point is why did she appear to the Warden as an old lady(aside from "the character modelers made her like that")?


I can get behind Flemeth's new look but that still doesn't explain the new darkspawn and the massive continuity error there.

[Meyne]

Taleroth wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I think they would have at least had her dress remotely similar to her daughter as opposed to... say, the tower robes she instead wore when you fought her.  This new dress actually has at least one shared element with Morrigan.  And similar makeup.

I'd be inclined to agree that she'd wear a dress similar to Morrigan's, but I think that she appeared as a crazy cat lady for more than just the lulz. If all you're saying is that they had an opportunity to give her a unique model and they ran with it, then there's no disagreement whatsoever. I'm just saying that if they'd given her a unique model in Origins, it still wouldn't be the one we see in DAII.

And I'm saying that if they'd given her a unique model in DAO, then we'd be seeing that unique model in DA2 instead of the difference.

Our knowledge of shapeshifting has it stated that shapeshifters can't take different human forms.  And there's an art change towards unique models.  The easier explanation is that she got along on the unique model train, choo choo.

Yes, it's entirely possible that Morrigan is wrong and shapeshifters can do that.  Or maybe Flemeth is uniquely powerful in that regard.  But it's also just as possible and roundabout that Varric is making everything up, has never seen a Darkspawn in his life, nor even an elf, or Isabela and therefore is only guessing at appearance in the game with his unreliable narrator status.  Which also goes to explain Flemeth.

It's neat, it's exciting, it's also entirely unnecessary to conclude.  Flemeth doesn't even turn into the same dragon.  Is it that she wants her dragon to be a crazy cat dragon?

Actually, I believe Morrigan was talking about herself, personally.  A dialog where you ask her about her being Flemeth's daughter she comments that Flemeth can take any form, even a more alluring one.  This means that Flemeth CAN take other human forms if she can make herself more alluring.  Flemeth is much older than Morrigan, she has taken so many forms that she could see varius human forms as merely a new stage.  While Morrigan sees shape-shifting as a more simpler thing where she imitates the form of anther species but is still "Morrigan", just now "Morrigan the spider."   She says that since she is human, why would she want to be someone else, or even how could she be someone else.  It could be that she simply cannot let go of that defiant decision to be her own person, or that Flemeth being something that "isn't an abomination, isn't a blood mage, and may not even be human" makes it easier for Flemeth to alter herself.

Besides, her alterations are mostly in body appearance and hair.  She is still elderly in the face.  Could be as a shapeshifter ages she learns such control over her body that she does shift into a different body-shape, but only because it was her former shape, or at least how she saw herself.  In that case she wouldn't be immitating another person, but a younger version of herself.

Modifié par Meyne, 23 février 2011 - 07:37 .

[Crocodiles]

She couldn't be caught wearing the same old outfit twice, so she channelled her inner lady gaga, when she met Hawke.

[JedTed]

LumpOfCole wrote...

Anything can be artistically retconned because the entire story is told from the perspective of a dwarf relaying the information - any artistic elements you see that differ from Origins can be explained by saying that the dwarf has exaggerated his story.

Good point!  Leliana describes Flemeth as incredibly beautiful, likely the exact opposite of DA2's depiction of her.

I rest my case.

[Dirgegun]

I remember in some dialogue, where you ask Morrigan if Flemeth is really her mother. After she answers you can answer her back with something like “It’s just hard to imagine her...” and Morrigan replies with something like “Married? Pregnant? Who said she was any of these things?”



Interesting stuff.

[Brenna]

My thoughts: I now have a major girl-crush on Flemith. Hot old lady, is hot.

[gastovski]

her boob size better than origins thats changed.

[Brenna]

gastovski wrote...

her boob size better than origins thats changed.

I agree fullheartedly. Haha!

[tasca1180]

Flemeth was my favourite part of the demo. I love her voice and her facial expressions. And maybe it's in my head because I know who her VO is, but doesn't she look a little like Kate Mulgrew now?

[eucatastrophe]

tasca1180 wrote...

Flemeth was my favourite part of the demo. I love her voice and her facial expressions. And maybe it's in my head because I know who her VO is, but doesn't she look a little like Kate Mulgrew now?

Stole the words right out of my mouth! :happy:
I keep makiing characters simply get to her part then start all over again !

[Kail Ashton]

Ronny Winkler wrote...

did not underdstand why made characters in origins were so drastically changed for dragon age 2?? any comments??

Poor english aside, have you seen flemmith in dragon age origins? that should anwser things well enough, unless you have some shrilveled beef jerky GMILF fetish (which i'm sure you do, but keep it in the closet hey?)