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[Arttis]

in jade empire quite a few nobodies die.

[Morning808]

Vahe wrote...

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

Are you kidding? It's practically a Bioware staple by now.

-Gorion
-Trask
-Jenkins
-Wilson
-Numerous origin exclusive characters
-Duncan

And probably others since I excluded NWN, Jade Empire, MDK2 and Shattered Steel. If you're in a Bioware game, someone you meet early on is going to die. Sometimes they will do so in a flashy way like Gorion, and sometimes they'll go out whimpering like Wilson, but no matter what, they're doomed from the start. I can't wait to see who dies in ME3.

I have little problem with Wesley's death.  That's not being put into question here.

You bring up a lot of games and characters, but they're out of context.  A more appropriate comparison would be if Kaiden or Ashley from Mass Effect died at the beginning of the game.

No they are in context since he is proving BioWares trademark, which is their love of killing a starting teammate. Ashley/Kaiden is out of context since they don't die at the start instead they gave you a hard choice for them (Which wasn't hard for me since I didn't like both of them) which is another trademark of theirs which is the "Choose choice"

Modifié par Morning808, 23 février 2011 - 09:51 .

[Merwanor]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

What I wonder is why didn't Wesley fight? He had a sword. He could still run around.

If I buy the game, I'm definately gonna mod that. Replace his "run away script with "follow Hawke and fight!".

He got hurt pretty badly, and he is infected by the taint. You try and do something physical taxing with a huge cut on your back.

[Vahe]

Morning808 wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

Are you kidding? It's practically a Bioware staple by now.

-Gorion
-Trask
-Jenkins
-Wilson
-Numerous origin exclusive characters
-Duncan

And probably others since I excluded NWN, Jade Empire, MDK2 and Shattered Steel. If you're in a Bioware game, someone you meet early on is going to die. Sometimes they will do so in a flashy way like Gorion, and sometimes they'll go out whimpering like Wilson, but no matter what, they're doomed from the start. I can't wait to see who dies in ME3.

I have little problem with Wesley's death.  That's not being put into question here.

You bring up a lot of games and characters, but they're out of context.  A more appropriate comparison would be if Kaiden or Ashley from Mass Effect died at the beginning of the game.

No they are in context since he is proving BioWares trademark, which is their love of killing a starting teammate. Ashley/Kaiden is out of context since they don't die at the start instead they gave you a hard choice for them (Which wasn't hard for me since I didn't like both of them) which is another trademark of theirs which is the "Choose choice"

My point is, which was more emotional?  Jenkins death or Ashley/Kaiden's?

[Arttis]

vahe likes emotion more than plot build up.

[Nayt Navare]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I just remembered. A bunch of people we don't know die at the beginning of the Witcher! How low can you sink BioWare?

All the way, Maria. All the way. It's warm down here. Warm, and the voices always whisper to keep you company.

Do you have balloons?  Do they float? 

[Boeresmurf]

it wasnt bad writing... and never ment, but an ogre stormed the plot writing room, and killed the person who made the story for wesley and sibling number 2.



so they just had to end their stories.



love it how the ogre killed the sibling of hawke.....

[RainbowPenguin]

When the two died, I didn't feel much. I just thought, "Oh. Well then. They're dead. Oh look. Darkspawn." True, it sucks that they died, but when Duncan died, I felt as upset as Alistair. I wanted revenge. For the Hawke sibling and the Templar, I just wanted to get on with it.



I thought it was annoying when the Templar said the Maker's Blessing. Ugh. Formalities. If I died, I would've wanted them to run for it and not linger until a dragon swooped down!

[IndelibleJester]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I just remembered. A bunch of people we don't know die at the beginning of the Witcher! How low can you sink BioWare?

Wait... what?

[Amioran]

Vahe wrote...
Specific examples please?  Go into detail. 

Do it yourself. You are the wirter of the millenia, not me.

Oh, forgot to add Poe, Lovecraft, Birce, Doyle and De Sade (albeit he in "strange" ways, I give this to you).

You have a lot of digging to do...

[Amioran]

RainbowPenguin wrote...

When the two died, I didn't feel much. I just thought, "Oh. Well then. They're dead. Oh look. Darkspawn." True, it sucks that they died, but when Duncan died, I felt as upset as Alistair. I wanted revenge. For the Hawke sibling and the Templar, I just wanted to get on with it. 

Not all situations are the same. People usually forget that writing is like composing music. Beethoven said that the intemezzo before the "portant" motive serves mostly for giving the mood for what it to come; you create an artificial "pause" in the audience so the "strong" part has much more impact.

In writing this MUST happen too. There must be a rythim, elsewhere either the most powerful emotion will get destroyed by the lack of climax. All forms of art is a sort of representation of sex; without rythim all is plain and monotone.

In the case of Duncan he was the climax. In the case of the demo the deaths served to propose a sort of "pause" in the narrative. Two distinct things.

Modifié par Amioran, 23 février 2011 - 10:32 .

[LobselVith8]

MrStorm2K wrote...

I would agree, if you didn't have Aveline and your family being shaped by these events. While I may not care for Wesley or dead sibling, I may care about the characters that care about them.

I agree. It clearly has an impact on the characters, and it'll likely have repercussions down the road.

[Stazro]

Vahe wrote...

I have little problem with Wesley's death.  That's not being put into question here.

You bring up a lot of games and characters, but they're out of context.  A more appropriate comparison would be if Kaiden or Ashley from Mass Effect died at the beginning of the game.

How would Kaidan or Ashley dieing at the beginning of the game be any different than Wesley's death?

[Vahe]

Amioran wrote...

Vahe wrote...
Specific examples please?  Go into detail. 

Do it yourself. You are the wirter of the millenia, not me.

Oh, forgot to add Poe, Lovecraft, Birce, Doyle and De Sade (albeit he in "strange" ways, I give this to you).

You have a lot of digging to do...

Oh, nice, you listed even more authors without a single specific example.  Shoo, troll. 

[Amioran]

Vahe wrote...
Oh, nice, you listed even more authors without a single specific example.  Shoo, troll. 

They are too many; you know, these "rookie writers" are everywhere... you cannot keep track.

Modifié par Amioran, 23 février 2011 - 10:33 .

[Arttis]

vahe isnt a detail guy.

just a very general guy.

I keep things simple

Killing off characters are fine.

I think people expected something more and were disapppointed.

[wulfsturm]

Vahe wouldn't know good writing if it hit him in the face.

[Arttis]

wulfsturm wrote...

Vahe wouldn't know good writing if it hit him in the face.

I agree....

[Morning808]

Vahe wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

Are you kidding? It's practically a Bioware staple by now.

-Gorion
-Trask
-Jenkins
-Wilson
-Numerous origin exclusive characters
-Duncan

And probably others since I excluded NWN, Jade Empire, MDK2 and Shattered Steel. If you're in a Bioware game, someone you meet early on is going to die. Sometimes they will do so in a flashy way like Gorion, and sometimes they'll go out whimpering like Wilson, but no matter what, they're doomed from the start. I can't wait to see who dies in ME3.

I have little problem with Wesley's death.  That's not being put into question here.

You bring up a lot of games and characters, but they're out of context.  A more appropriate comparison would be if Kaiden or Ashley from Mass Effect died at the beginning of the game.

No they are in context since he is proving BioWares trademark, which is their love of killing a starting teammate. Ashley/Kaiden is out of context since they don't die at the start instead they gave you a hard choice for them (Which wasn't hard for me since I didn't like both of them) which is another trademark of theirs which is the "Choose choice"

My point is, which was more emotional?  Jenkins death or Ashley/Kaiden's?

Bad person to ask since I disliked all 3 of them but I guess Ashley/Kaiden since they let you build a connection to them.

But its a trademark for them to kill a early teammate, its fun to watch and it lets me know "This is a BioWare game"

Plus this game lets you choose who dies with which class you choose so there is a lot of writing involved

[TheSleazebag]

If you think Bioware has good writing, even by video game standards, then you have never played anything that Avellone was involved in

[Vahe]

Morning808 wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

Are you kidding? It's practically a Bioware staple by now.

-Gorion
-Trask
-Jenkins
-Wilson
-Numerous origin exclusive characters
-Duncan

And probably others since I excluded NWN, Jade Empire, MDK2 and Shattered Steel. If you're in a Bioware game, someone you meet early on is going to die. Sometimes they will do so in a flashy way like Gorion, and sometimes they'll go out whimpering like Wilson, but no matter what, they're doomed from the start. I can't wait to see who dies in ME3.

I have little problem with Wesley's death.  That's not being put into question here.

You bring up a lot of games and characters, but they're out of context.  A more appropriate comparison would be if Kaiden or Ashley from Mass Effect died at the beginning of the game.

No they are in context since he is proving BioWares trademark, which is their love of killing a starting teammate. Ashley/Kaiden is out of context since they don't die at the start instead they gave you a hard choice for them (Which wasn't hard for me since I didn't like both of them) which is another trademark of theirs which is the "Choose choice"

My point is, which was more emotional?  Jenkins death or Ashley/Kaiden's?

Bad person to ask since I disliked all 3 of them but I guess Ashley/Kaiden since they let you build a connection to them.

But its a trademark for them to kill a early teammate, its fun to watch and it lets me know "This is a BioWare game"

Plus this game lets you choose who dies with which class you choose so there is a lot of writing involved

That's the entire point of this thread. 

[Morning808]

Vahe wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

Are you kidding? It's practically a Bioware staple by now.

-Gorion
-Trask
-Jenkins
-Wilson
-Numerous origin exclusive characters
-Duncan

And probably others since I excluded NWN, Jade Empire, MDK2 and Shattered Steel. If you're in a Bioware game, someone you meet early on is going to die. Sometimes they will do so in a flashy way like Gorion, and sometimes they'll go out whimpering like Wilson, but no matter what, they're doomed from the start. I can't wait to see who dies in ME3.

I have little problem with Wesley's death.  That's not being put into question here.

You bring up a lot of games and characters, but they're out of context.  A more appropriate comparison would be if Kaiden or Ashley from Mass Effect died at the beginning of the game.

No they are in context since he is proving BioWares trademark, which is their love of killing a starting teammate. Ashley/Kaiden is out of context since they don't die at the start instead they gave you a hard choice for them (Which wasn't hard for me since I didn't like both of them) which is another trademark of theirs which is the "Choose choice"

My point is, which was more emotional?  Jenkins death or Ashley/Kaiden's?

Bad person to ask since I disliked all 3 of them but I guess Ashley/Kaiden since they let you build a connection to them.

But its a trademark for them to kill a early teammate, its fun to watch and it lets me know "This is a BioWare game"

Plus this game lets you choose who dies with which class you choose so there is a lot of writing involved

That's the entire point of this thread. 

I know but stop complaining about something that they always do, usally they kill off a charater that means nothing or had very little impact. Them killing off a starting teammate is normal, your just bashing for bashing sake.

Plus why the hell would I want a connection to Jenkins? He is useless same with all the other nobodys...I sure as hell don't care for Carver that much since he is just boring...I think they set him up to die, poor mage players!

[Housecarl]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I just remembered. A bunch of people we don't know die at the beginning of the Witcher! How low can you sink BioWare?

All the way, Maria. All the way. It's warm down here. Warm, and the voices always whisper to keep you company.

"When you stare into the Abyss, it's not supposed to wave back."

[Steve236]

Every Bioware games needs there Red Shirt.

[Weaverjho]

Killing the Couslands was such bull, I agree.