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[Iniuria]

I'm going to throw this out, just for the heck of it: maybe Hawke doesn't actually care all that much about his/her siblings LOL. XD



"I'm sorry about your brother dyi-"

"Oh, don't, I hated the SOB"

"o____o Uh. Okay."



I dunno, I would lol

[Gerudan]

Raven_26 wrote...



You forgot poor Khalid from BG2 -

But if you played BG1, you at least knew him. In the end I agree with what other said about this. It can't have a deep impact on the player, because you don't have a emotional connection with the character. But that was probably not the goal of the writers.



It will may by the way change a bit, if you played it through with a rogue and than start a playthrough with a mage and see Beth, who you know from your first playthrough, die.

[Cazlee]

What?? I still haven't played BG2 yet. Khalid was the only person I liked from BG1

[Gerudan]

Cazlee wrote...

What?? I still haven't played BG2 yet. Khalid was the only person I liked from BG1

Well, sorry we spoiled this for you. 

[HyperLimited]

My response to your thread, ser:

LOL. 

[Dubya75]

I was hoping Wesley would drop dead the second I saw him...better late than never!

[Biefstukfriet]

If a person dies within thirty minuten, then it's not a character, it's a NPC with an inflated ego.

[Vahe]

Nihlus' death is akin to Wesley's death. Both are there to set something up. In ME's case, it's that Saren is a bastard. In DA, it's that the Darkspawn are bastards- and Aveline has just lost her husband.



But for one of Hawke's siblings to die in the same manner and for him to elicit no emotional response calls into question the writers' aptitude. If Hawke doesn't care, why should we? Especially if something comes of it later on in the story.

[Raven_26]

Naitaka wrote...

What?! How can people remember Khalid but not Dynaheir? I loved to use her and Minsc in BG1...

oh yes lol
but I loved Khalid, but didn't care so much about Dynaheir. Used to let her die in BG1 so I could keep Xan lol

[IndelibleJester]

scyphozoa wrote...

I would actually say Nihlus' death best fits this description. Nihlus was a much more significant character than Jenkins. I think the Jenkins thing was a joke/eastegg, but Nihlus was supposed to be the character that made you feel a certain way that "someone significant just died, **** just got real"

And I think it was successful. Nihlus' death felt more signifcant than Hawke's siblings death. :\\\\

The more I read about Nihlus' life, the sadder it gets. ;-;

[Beerfish]

Although I don't agree with the tone of the original posters post I do agree with the intent of it, especially in this case where we are supposed to have some emotional investment in our family. It really wouldn't even be that bad if the death does happen early but there needed to be something more to indicate the real sense of loss. Perhaps a true tear jerking cutscene.

[The Glen]

Of course I'm still bitter about Iona buying it.



As far as writing goes, there are a lot of reasons to kill off a character early. Shock value, clear out the cast down the core characters, set up a plot point down the line, or just let the audience know this scene is deadly. Dragon Age tends to kill off a lot of characters early on, it might not be bad writing but it could become a crutch the writers have to include for their own reasons.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Vahe wrote...

I don't think I am alone in saying that I felt no emotional impact whatsoever when Bethany/Carver died.  None.  I felt the same when Wesley died.

Perhaps the point is not to bring you to wailing tears over the deaths of those characters, but to set up certain things for later, hmm?

If we'd run around here saying "YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO WET YOURSELVES OVER THIS THING WE DO IN THE BEGINNING!" you could happily hoist us on our petard, but we didn't. So our petard remains unhoisted.

Valid for a random NPC, but it's your sibling dying there...Hawke should be a serious character, you should be able to emotionally contact with him. And if he just...stands there just after a sibling died, it just doesn't feel credible at all.

Even if the sibling returns later on after he got infected with the taint and became a darkspawn. Careful, spoilers. Oops.

[Cless Godhard]

I have faith that Bioware will suprise us, but if this is not the case then killing off the sibling in the begining without any backstory makes it feel dull.

I have not played the full game, so there might be a 10-30 min, where you pack up your stuff and talk with family members then you flee and we see the scene of the demo. If this is not the case, then either a flashback scene or a good reason why the sibling got killed off, i feel no remorse nor sad when the brother/sister died and this is wrong in my opinion.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Cless Godhard wrote...

I have faith that Bioware will suprise us, but if this is not the case then killing off the sibling in the begining without any backstory makes it feel dull.

I have not played the full game, so there might be a 10-30 min, where you pack up your stuff and talk with family members then you flee and we see the scene of the demo. If this is not the case, then either a flashback scene or a good reason why the sibling got killed off, i feel no remorse nor sad when the brother/sister died and this is wrong in my opinion.

i feel no remorse when either of them dies and i choose the red option i dont care for any of them,  aveline dying would be worse and make me sad the siblings meh... not so much

Modifié par PrinceOfFallout13, 23 février 2011 - 09:35 .

[Asenkah]

I think the earlier suggestion of having spent a little time in Lothering first would have been able to add a lot to overall impact of not just your siblings death but the overall impact of the invading darkspawn in general.



In DAO you leave before Lothering is overrun. All you see is the map turn dark and eventually you see the icon change after the town is lost. In addition to quality time with the fam, it could have been to finally show how harrowing an event the overruning of the south actually was (was worst part of the first games story imho) and could tie in quick lines/scenes to tie it in for us that played the first game.



Such as people getting maimed while fleeing because crazy trap lady set them all over the place. Or someone could make reference to the Qunari missing from the cage, or the jerk merchant getting his stall looted in the hysteria, or the fellow looking for the urn in the chantry, or the chanter that only tries to converse quoting the word of Andraste, etc.



So much potential on top of building up the relationship with Hawke's siblings....but it is what it is.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've said this before but Hawke acted like he/she knew that Bethany or Carver wasn't their real sibling, just a video character that has existed for a few moments. That was very off-putting for me.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 24 février 2011 - 03:19 .

[Vahe]

Either the demo or this trailer is not indicative of the full game. Not sure which.



http://www.facebook....v=1866912958361

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

pfft Carver or as I like to call him MR POTATO HEAD deserved to die he just yells and runs over and tries to kill the orge, that guy has no sense

[Maconbar]

Vahe wrote...

Either the demo or this trailer is not indicative of the full game. Not sure which.

http://www.facebook....v=1866912958361

It could be that neither is indicative of the final version.

[Maconbar]

DinoSteve wrote...

pfft Carver or as I like to call him MR POTATO HEAD deserved to die he just yells and runs over and tries to kill the orge, that guy has no sense

He got caught up in all the marketing about push a button and something awesome happens.

[88mphSlayer]

no love for that dude on the dock on Feros?

[Romantiq]

People expected star trek (movie) moment that brought people to tears?