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[AcidRelic]

I've played KotOR 1+2, Jade Empire, ME 1+2, DA:O. I can see differences in gameplay, art style, ect... they have risen and fallen a little on everything at one time or another but THE STORY, for me, has always been the central point and has never let me down.

[Tenken_h]

tez19 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Not interested, not a pc gamer, only game i ever played on pc is deus ex, but i just don't like the keyboar and mouse, i understand it has better functionality but my personal preference is consoles.

KOTOR and Jade Empire ARE on consoles (though the original XBOX)

sorry my bad didnt know that, i do not have an original xbox, if i did i would get those games.

They are both backwards compatible if you have a 360 =D. And if you can actually find a copy of KotOR anywhere.

[Osena109]

 Well for  me Bioware games   are my escape I Done 3 tours of duty i work   12 hour days when  get time i  like my games Kotor Dragon age Jade empire and mass effect and am stoked for SWTOR comeing up think of biowares story telling allways being updated  Biowares games are epic and the story sucks you right in that is what i feel Bioware is Really about  a story that well  suck you in form start to finish

[Osena109]

Tenken_h wrote...

tez19 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Not interested, not a pc gamer, only game i ever played on pc is deus ex, but i just don't like the keyboar and mouse, i understand it has better functionality but my personal preference is consoles.

KOTOR and Jade Empire ARE on consoles (though the original XBOX)

sorry my bad didnt know that, i do not have an original xbox, if i did i would get those games.

They are both backwards compatible if you have a 360 =D. And if you can actually find a copy of KotOR anywhere.

you can get jade empire and Kotor on Steam i did

[KenKenpachi]

You know op I totally expected this to be a troll or MONEY, but kudo's to you op, I think you get it.

[DrunkenMonkey]

played KOTOR and loved it never completed though due to moving house then getting a new pc and losing the disk.

it seems like 5-10% of the fanbase hates DA 2(for the massive change of not allowing you to...wait for it auto attack in the demo!!). it will still sell and will (already) get some good reviews.

Modifié par DrunkenMonkey, 23 février 2011 - 04:56 .

[Alex MassacreN7]

tez19 wrote...

Why do people forget that Bioware games are about the journey. Well that is what i think.
I am a very loyal customer to Bioware and I have only played mass effect 1 and 2 and dragon age: origins.
After all of those 3 games when the credits come up i put my xbox360 controller down, sit back to listen to the awesome credit music and say to myself 'Wow'. I am always left gobsmacked and with a sense of accomplishment when i finish a Bioware game and I know it is only a game.
The art direction for DA2 I am not over the moon about, the combat i think is an improvement, but these two things are not what DA2 will be about for me. It is all about the story and the journey you are taken on. Call of Duty is a nice looking game but when i finish the single player I think ok now multiplayer. It isn't memorable or 'epic'. When I finish a 50-60hour playthrough of a Bioware game i just am amazed and upset that it has ended lol. This is all my opinion and not a fact or anything. But the change in graphics and combat and the speech system i welcome, because I know that to me this game will deliver where it is most important. It will be another epic journey to remember.

Kudos on the post, I'd have to agree with you.

[ClintonD]

Exactly, and there's the fact that the demo only skimmed the surface of the depth of this game. If you played this demo and thought "Well, this is exactly what the rest of the game will be like, nothing but hack and slash!"....well, I don't know what to say to you.

[tez19]

ClintonD wrote...

Exactly, and there's the fact that the demo only skimmed the surface of the depth of this game. If you played this demo and thought "Well, this is exactly what the rest of the game will be like, nothing but hack and slash!"....well, I don't know what to say to you.

Yup anyone who judges a game by the demo is a bit silly.
Bioware shouldn't have put out a demo anyway, we all know story is their strongest point and they cannot get the story aspect across on an hour long demo.

[ClintonD]

tez19 wrote...

ClintonD wrote...

Exactly, and there's the fact that the demo only skimmed the surface of the depth of this game. If you played this demo and thought "Well, this is exactly what the rest of the game will be like, nothing but hack and slash!"....well, I don't know what to say to you.

Yup anyone who judges a game by the demo is a bit silly.
Bioware shouldn't have put out a demo anyway, we all know story is their strongest point and they cannot get the story aspect across on an hour long demo.

Not to mention the subquests, the exploration, the inventory, the customizations, the equipment, the npcs, the other companions, the shops, the romance.....I could go on and on....

[mcpothead]

Bioware don't give a toss about fans or fan views they care about MONEY they partnered with EA for the sole reason of making more money.



They have dumbed down both ME and DA as a pathetic attempt to appeal to the mass market and that's it.

[tez19]

Please do not reply to the troll in my thread. Thankyou.

[mcpothead]

tez19 wrote...

Please do not reply to the troll in my thread. Thankyou.

He says as trolling nothing about the original post. 

Right stating my true opinion on Bioware as the topic is posted is now trolling?

[Amonithil]

mcpothead wrote...

Bioware don't give a toss about fans or fan views they care about MONEY they partnered with EA for the sole reason of making more money.

They have dumbed down both ME and DA as a pathetic attempt to appeal to the mass market and that's it.

I have no doubt that they became part of EA due to profit. Bioware are a company, profit is an important thing to a company. I am glad they are part of EA now as it hopefully will allow them to continue creating what I personally find to be great games.

Regarding 'dumbing' down of their games. I do not really see how DA2 has been dumbed down from DA:O, atleast not on PC, I cannot comment on 360. The tactical option is deffinately still there, and I will be playing the game on nightmare in the same whay I played DA:O on nightmare. Removal of an isometric view doesn't count as dumbing down.
Combat is flashier and more responsive, but that just means I need to think on my feet  faster when playing, and it means I can intercept an enemy heading for my mage as I intended rather than watching my warrior slowly turn and shuffled around into position while my mage is being battered to death.
I can't comment on the story, but from what I have seen so far it promises to be just as epic and entertaining as any other Bioware game that I have played (the majority).

I just can't see how the game has been dumbed down.

[DieHigh2012]

Well put OP, and you really need to play KOTOR and Jade Empire. Both are really good games.



Even though I pre-ordered this a game a couple months ago, I was a little worried, but thanks to the demo I no longer feel anxious.



The combat is better, and the story (this is BoiWare we are talking about) will be great as always.

[spernus]

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

Really? A lot of people didn't care at all for Neverwinter night or Jade empire.

By the way,Bioware never disproved that Jade empire was a flop.If you want me to look at Jade empire and say that the quality of their game has declined since then,I will have to say no.In Jade empire:

A) Your allies costume doesn't change appearance (can't even change your character facial traits)
It's a dumbed down "rpg" at best 
C) Brainless action rpg combat system and no difficulty whatsoever

Easily the most underwhelming game under the Bioware brandname that I played (never tried the Sonic rpg).I was still able to finish it,but only because I found the approach toward a wuxia rpg refreshing.

Modifié par spernus, 23 février 2011 - 05:44 .

[DarthCaine]

spernus wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

Really? A lot of people didn't care at all for Neverwinter night or Jade empire.

By the way,Bioware never disproved that Jade empire was a flop.If you want me to look at Jade empire and say that they quality of their game has declined since then,I will have to say no.In Jade empire:

A) Your allies costume doesn't change appearance (can't even change your character facial traits)
It's a dumbed down "rpg" at best 
C) Brainless action rpg combat system and no difficulty whatsoever

Easily the most underwhelming game under the Bioware brandname that I played (never tried the Sonic rpg).I was still able to finish it,but only because I found the approach toward a wuxia rpg refreshing.

I kinda misphrased that. I didn't mean JE was that great. I asked if he's played it, and then said KOTOR and BG2 were the games that set the standard.

Sorry

[SkyWard20]

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I have played very little of Bioware's pre-kotor games, but Kotor I have played and loved, and I wouldn't say Bioware's quality of games has decreased significantly ( or at all ).

The story was great, but I think Origins is better for a number of reasons.

Modifié par SkyWard20, 23 février 2011 - 05:51 .

[spernus]

DarthCaine wrote...

I kinda misphrased that. I didn't mean JE was that great. I asked if he's played it, and then said KOTOR and BG2 were the games that set the standard.

Sorry

Even so,that's not my point.

It hasn't been a steadily decrease of quality in my eyes since I find Dragon age+Mass effect 1 & 2 to be superior to Jade empire.You also need to remember that both Baldur's gate and KOTOR were under the D&D system.Less time needed to be spent on the core rules,more on fleshing out the content.It 's harder to maintain that same quality when you also have to create your own rules (you really need solid game designers).It's obvious that the transition was a rocky one for Bioware and that they had a clear weakness in term of quality game designers (Jade empire combat system=fail,Mass effect 1 inventory and class balance=complete failure,first Dragon age had insanely overpowered spells and mages were crazy).

Anyway,there's no doubt that Bioware want to make a ton of money.You only need to take a look at The old republic mmorpg which will be the first legit competition versus World of Warcraft in the west.The budget must now be over 100+million,but it could set Bioware for life if it can turn a profit or if they can get over 1 million+ subscribers month after month.

Modifié par spernus, 23 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[Dan_cw]

Inarborat wrote...

Great post. Before this game, I would have totally agreed with you.

I've played more Bioware games than ME1-2 and Origins but this demo leaves me uninspired and for the first time I'm not excited for a release day Bioware release...perhaps the formula is getting old for me? Hope you enjoy the journey, just wish I had as much excitement as you do.

Just curious, Inar, did you view the gameplay video on Gamespot the other night? 30 mins of the game, on the Xbox. That might help alleviate any fears. If not though, sorry to hear you're not too excited.

As others have said though, thanks for not saying everyone sucks who enjoys it etc. In other words, thanks for saying it civilly.

[WilliamShatner]

spernus wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

Really? A lot of people didn't care at all for Neverwinter night or Jade empire.

By the way,Bioware never disproved that Jade empire was a flop.If you want me to look at Jade empire and say that the quality of their game has declined since then,I will have to say no.In Jade empire:

A) Your allies costume doesn't change appearance (can't even change your character facial traits)
It's a dumbed down "rpg" at best 
C) Brainless action rpg combat system and no difficulty whatsoever

Easily the most underwhelming game under the Bioware brandname that I played (never tried the Sonic rpg).I was still able to finish it,but only because I found the approach toward a wuxia rpg refreshing.

Jade Empire has pound for pound the best roaster of characters in a BioWare game.  The world setting and story is fantastic, imaginative and exciting.  There's a large variety of sidequests ranging from hilarious to tragic to creepy.  A lot of the ways you could solve a quest or respond to someone were geniunely evil or hilarious (whereas from the demo the "bad" option really isn't that different from the good one.)

When a game has these massive positives it's easy to overlook other flaws.

[AtreiyaN7]

Nice post, OP. Oh, and Jade Empire was a console game first, heh. The PC ended up getting a port of it far later on (waited a LONG time until it came out for the PC).

[Teknor]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Jade Empire has pound for pound the best roaster of characters in a BioWare game.  The world setting and story is fantastic, imaginative and exciting.  There's a large variety of sidequests ranging from hilarious to tragic to creepy.  A lot of the ways you could solve a quest or respond to someone were geniunely evil or hilarious (whereas from the demo the "bad" option really isn't that different from the good one.)

When a game has these massive positives it's easy to overlook other flaws.

Way to honey up a crap. 

[earl of the north]

Another suggestion that you try out Kotor, seriously one of the best RPG's I've ever played and the reason I'm always excited by the news of new Bioware game........also the reason I was so let down by the news that Bioware was making a non-Kotor Star Wars online game.

I was like this.......

Bioware is making a new Star Wars game. 

then I heard it wasn't Kotor 3.

Ah Revan.