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[sanadawarrior]

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've been playing Bioware games since Shattered Steel and I feel the quality has always had ups and downs. I never liked NWN and consider DA:O to be a mediocre game, but ME 2 is their best work yet and I feel DA2 can go the distance and give Jade Empire, BGII or ME a run for their money.

[sanadawarrior]

Teknor wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Jade Empire has pound for pound the best roaster of characters in a BioWare game.  The world setting and story is fantastic, imaginative and exciting.  There's a large variety of sidequests ranging from hilarious to tragic to creepy.  A lot of the ways you could solve a quest or respond to someone were geniunely evil or hilarious (whereas from the demo the "bad" option really isn't that different from the good one.)

When a game has these massive positives it's easy to overlook other flaws.

Way to honey up a crap. 

There's nothing to honey up, Jade Empire was amazing...

[Dan_cw]

Neverwinter Nights was good if you got on a great roleplay server. Used to play on the Battledale and Aria servers if anyone remembers those.

Lost a lot of time thanks to the multiplayer. Singleplayer wasn't that great though, yeah.

Edit: As for KOTOR sadly, I'd like to play it again as I stopped near the end of it but it has regular crashes which is annoying. I guess it's due to the game being released several years ago.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 23 février 2011 - 06:28 .

[Ulquiorra_4_Esparda]

Purple People Eater wrote...

Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change, they're stuck in a nostalgic rut, and they think anything not in line with their narrow minded ideal isnt any good.

I agree with you, that Bioware games are more about the journey than anything else, but I think gameplay wise they've done good on advancing their ideas. If it were up to most of the bleeding hearts around this place, DA2 would play like Baldurs Gate, which was good for its time, but would seem pretty bland, and archaic in a modern day game.

I have no doubt DA2 will be a spectaular game. Im not blind to its faults, but I do have a good perspective when it comes to enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be. Thats a big problem around here.

I have been looking for a way to say exactly what you just said whenever I see people get upset over the new interface and the faster combat or anything in that regard but this puts it perfectly. "Stuck in a nostalgic rut" and "Enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be" are the highlights here and something that any gamer should keep in mind, everyone has more fun that way.

Naturally gamers feedback is important to making a good game and should be voiced, but "OMG this game will suck because it is not like X" is just the quickest way to get flamed. Enjoy it for what it is.

Also on to the OP, yes that is exactly right, their games are about journeys, and even though games like say, KOTOR, May not have had the most entertaining gameplay I have still played that over and over because the journey was satisfying every single time.

[DiesHoribly]

However, gameplay is important too. I don't care that EA wants to make more money. If all it mattered to me was "the journey", I'd be better off reading a book. Or watching a freaking movie. It's all about the journey and what you're doing on that journey. If all you are is a ****ing spectator, that thinks he's got a choice, let that be your problem, not mine when I have my options removed.

[AdmiralCheez]

Well said, OP. Well said.

[Drowsy0106]

Bioware has done amazing things and sparked my imagination many a times, only to be stepped on afterwards by EA marketing douchebags to squeeze out that extra buck.

[Darji]

sanadawarrior wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've been playing Bioware games since Shattered Steel and I feel the quality has always had ups and downs. I never liked NWN and consider DA:O to be a mediocre game, but ME 2 is their best work yet and I feel DA2 can go the distance and give Jade Empire, BGII or ME a run for their money.

LOL Baldurs Gate 2? No way....

I thinkthe quality of Bioware games went downhill since Kotor. And since Kotor they always try the same formula. Origins was a step back into the right direction. Back to the time were Bioware games really felt epic like Baldurs gate 2. With Dragon Age 2 or better Dragon Effect they destroyed all that what Origins made great.

First of all the hack and slash combat. Yes I dont like it on Normal it was a joke and basicly a spamfest  without the need to pause. Especially with the Rogue which is way too powerful.  I really doubt you need tactics anymore. the pause function sure  but only because its so fast and over the top.

But the worst of all the the stupid  dialogue wheel. How could they do it? Especially with these symbols. Now there is only black or white.If you want to ba a bad guy you chose the red answer and if you want to be good you pick the blue one. In Origins it was so great because you never knew how people will react to it. Now you always know it.

Ofcourse i cant say much about the story with the demo so i cant praise or criticsize that. But if its like MAss effect I am pretty sure I will hate it. Yeah the presentation was good but the overall story especially in ME2 was very bad and also very short.

There is no way I am pre ordering a Bioware game again untill they went back to their roots. But when i look at Dragon Age 2 I dont think that Biowware cares about the old fan base anymore. Instead they went to the consolecrowd.....

At least there still is the Witcher 2. If this one will dissapoint me too I have not much faith left in this genre....

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Drowsy0106 wrote...

Bioware has done amazing things and sparked my imagination many a times, only to be stepped on afterwards by EA marketing douchebags to squeeze out that extra buck.

Those ''marketing douchebags'' are why Bioware still exists today and why they still produce these great games. If it wasn't for them, there would be no console versions, no huge marketing campaigns, no best-seller or GOTY titles and, most important of all, huge huge huge fanbase. There is a good reason why the site went down the moment the demo was available. It says enough about the genius of the partnership between EA and Bioware. Good marketing + good games = profit. Everybody wins.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 23 février 2011 - 06:44 .

[tez19]

Darji wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've been playing Bioware games since Shattered Steel and I feel the quality has always had ups and downs. I never liked NWN and consider DA:O to be a mediocre game, but ME 2 is their best work yet and I feel DA2 can go the distance and give Jade Empire, BGII or ME a run for their money.

LOL Baldurs Gate 2? No way....

I thinkthe quality of Bioware games went downhill since Kotor. And since Kotor they always try the same formula. Origins was a step back into the right direction. Back to the time were Bioware games really felt epic like Baldurs gate 2. With Dragon Age 2 or better Dragon Effect they destroyed all that what Origins made great.

First of all the hack and slash combat. Yes I dont like it on Normal it was a joke and basicly a spamfest  without the need to pause. Especially with the Rogue which is way too powerful.  I really doubt you need tactics anymore. the pause function sure  but only because its so fast and over the top.

But the worst of all the the stupid  dialogue wheel. How could they do it? Especially with these symbols. Now there is only black or white.If you want to ba a bad guy you chose the red answer and if you want to be good you pick the blue one. In Origins it was so great because you never knew how people will react to it. Now you always know it.

Ofcourse i cant say much about the story with the demo so i cant praise or criticsize that. But if its like MAss effect I am pretty sure I will hate it. Yeah the presentation was good but the overall story especially in ME2 was very bad and also very short.

There is no way I am pre ordering a Bioware game again untill they went back to their roots. But when i look at Dragon Age 2 I dont think that Biowware cares about the old fan base anymore. Instead they went to the consolecrowd.....

At least there still is the Witcher 2. If this one will dissapoint me too I have not much faith left in this genre....

Please do not reply to the troll in my thread. Thankyou.

[sanadawarrior]

Edit: TC asked that we not respond to the post.

Modifié par sanadawarrior, 23 février 2011 - 06:45 .

[Manou1]

Purple People Eater wrote...

Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change, they're stuck in a nostalgic rut, and they think anything not in line with their narrow minded ideal isnt any good.

I agree with you, that Bioware games are more about the journey than anything else, but I think gameplay wise they've done good on advancing their ideas. If it were up to most of the bleeding hearts around this place, DA2 would play like Baldurs Gate, which was good for its time, but would seem pretty bland, and archaic in a modern day game.

I have no doubt DA2 will be a spectaular game. Im not blind to its faults, but I do have a good perspective when it comes to enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be. Thats a big problem around here.

This.

[Irenie]

I'm with you OP

[thegoldfinch]

OP makes me a happy girl. It's good to see someone pleasant and nice on the boards.

I've played just about every BioWare game, barring that Sonic one that we don't speak of 'round these parts, and I agree with you completely. Anyone who plays a BioWare game looking for graphics or a Fallout-esque open world is looking in the wrong spot. BioWare does personal storytelling and they are the best in the business.

That being said, the direction of, say, ME3 makes me leery. Multiplayer? In MY role playing game? It can happen to you. But as long as the Dragon Age team keeps doing what it's doing now, I'll be a happy camper. I haven't been disappointed with this franchise yet. Yes, it has voices and faster combat... But I understand that games have to evolve to keep up with the market and the cost of production.

Modifié par pixieface, 23 février 2011 - 06:47 .

[Steve236]

SkyWard20 wrote...

and then wait a decade or so until bioware turns the sequel of your favourite game into an mmo. =P

IF Star Wars:The Old Republic turns out well then hell yah! give me a dragon age mmo!

[Darji]

how is this a troll post? Its an opinion and people should accept that. Its kind of meaningless to try to kill some disscusion only because he thinks not like the others.

[tez19]

pixieface wrote...

OP makes me a happy girl. It's good to see someone pleasant and nice on the boards.

I've played just about every BioWare game, barring that Sonic one that we don't speak of 'round these parts, and I agree with you completely. Anyone who plays a BioWare game looking for graphics or a Fallout-esque open world is looking in the wrong spot. BioWare does personal storytelling and they are the best in the business.

That being said, the direction of, say, ME3 makes me leery. Multiplayer? In MY role playing game? It can happen to you. But as long as the Dragon Age team keeps doing what it's doing now, I'll be a happy camper. I haven't been disappointed with this franchise yet. Yes, it has voices and faster combat... But I understand that games have to evolve to keep up with the market and the cost of production.

Lol, I have not been too nice on these boards to the people i think are trolling. In fact i have been very aggressive towards them because they wind me up but if you ignore them they will go away as they get no attention. That is my new plan of attack on them lol. I am glad you agree with me though.

[NiHau]

Darji wrote...

how is this a troll post? Its an opinion and people should accept that. Its kind of meaningless to try to kill some disscusion only because he thinks not like the others.

OP respect , so do you 

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Darji wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've been playing Bioware games since Shattered Steel and I feel the quality has always had ups and downs. I never liked NWN and consider DA:O to be a mediocre game, but ME 2 is their best work yet and I feel DA2 can go the distance and give Jade Empire, BGII or ME a run for their money.

LOL Baldurs Gate 2? No way....

I thinkthe quality of Bioware games went downhill since Kotor. And since Kotor they always try the same formula. Origins was a step back into the right direction. Back to the time were Bioware games really felt epic like Baldurs gate 2. With Dragon Age 2 or better Dragon Effect they destroyed all that what Origins made great.

That's a load of nonsense. Baldur's Gate 2 was really as much a point, click and kill game as any other. There was barely any strategy involved - have Jaheira cast healing spells, Misc kills things with his sword, Edwin cast's Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting 5 times and boom, game over. There was never any real difficulty. How exactly are DAO and DAII not a continuation of that? It just goes a lot quicker now, with better graphics and animations, close-ups and actual moving faces of the characters, and intuitive and user-friendly UIs.

I really don't understand you people, I played the same game in the year 2000, but I really see current-gen games as a huge improvement over how things used to be. It's much more of a real game now, rather than looking down all the time at a few heaps of pixels from a great distance like some uncaring god.

[tez19]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Darji wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've been playing Bioware games since Shattered Steel and I feel the quality has always had ups and downs. I never liked NWN and consider DA:O to be a mediocre game, but ME 2 is their best work yet and I feel DA2 can go the distance and give Jade Empire, BGII or ME a run for their money.

LOL Baldurs Gate 2? No way....

I thinkthe quality of Bioware games went downhill since Kotor. And since Kotor they always try the same formula. Origins was a step back into the right direction. Back to the time were Bioware games really felt epic like Baldurs gate 2. With Dragon Age 2 or better Dragon Effect they destroyed all that what Origins made great.

That's a load of nonsense. Baldur's Gate 2 was really as much a point, click and kill game as any other. There was barely any strategy involved - have Jaheira cast healing spells, Misc kills things with his sword, Edwin cast's Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting 5 times and boom, game over. There was never any real difficulty. How exactly are DAO and DAII not a continuation of that? It just goes a lot quicker now, with better graphics and animations, close-ups and actual moving faces of the characters, and intuitive and user-friendly UIs.

I really don't understand you people, I played the same game in the year 2000, but I really see current-gen games as a huge improvement over how things used to be. It's much more of a real game now, rather than looking down all the time at a few heaps of pixels from a great distance like some uncaring god.

Please do not reply to the troll, he asked why he is a troll but when you say things like consolecrowd, dragon effect and you mention the witcher 2 i think it automatically classes you as a troll. Thankyou.

Modifié par tez19, 23 février 2011 - 06:56 .

[NiHau]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Darji wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've been playing Bioware games since Shattered Steel and I feel the quality has always had ups and downs. I never liked NWN and consider DA:O to be a mediocre game, but ME 2 is their best work yet and I feel DA2 can go the distance and give Jade Empire, BGII or ME a run for their money.

LOL Baldurs Gate 2? No way....

I thinkthe quality of Bioware games went downhill since Kotor. And since Kotor they always try the same formula. Origins was a step back into the right direction. Back to the time were Bioware games really felt epic like Baldurs gate 2. With Dragon Age 2 or better Dragon Effect they destroyed all that what Origins made great.

That's a load of nonsense. Baldur's Gate 2 was really as much a point, click and kill game as any other. There was barely any strategy involved - have Jaheira cast healing spells, Misc kills things with his sword, Edwin cast's Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting 5 times and boom, game over. There was never any real difficulty. How exactly are DAO and DAII not a continuation of that? It just goes a lot quicker now, with better graphics and animations, close-ups and actual moving faces of the characters, and intuitive and user-friendly UIs.

I really don't understand you people, I played the same game in the year 2000, but I really see current-gen games as a huge improvement over how things used to be. It's much more of a real game now, rather than looking down all the time at a few heaps of pixels from a great distance like some uncaring god.

Then i can complai of this game name ? can it be ranamed to Dragon efect 2 ? not dragon age 2 ? because idont seem to SEE this games similar :/ seriusly 
[bad eng]

[Doveberry]

DarthCaine wrote...

You've never played KOTOR (IMO best RPG ever), or even Jade Empire?

If you've been playing BioWare games from the start you would have seen how much their quality has decreased with DA2.
THAT's why people are complaining, they have high expectations. They set the standard with games like BG2 and KOTOR

I've played every single Bioware game since Baldur's Gate (the first one), and I personally think that BG and BG2 were amazing games. KotOR was alright (good even), but I wasn't really wowed by it (despite me being a huge Star Wars fan). I felt sort of the same with Jade Empire, though I liked the atmosphere in that game more. Starting with Mass Effect, Bioware games really began to feel epic to me again. ME2 I thought was even better in that regard, actually. I was disappointed with the lack of a voiced protagonist in DA:O. It made the protagonist seem apathetic, when I had become accustomed to the more vibrant conversations of Mass Effect, where it felt as though my character was actually alive. With Dragon age bringing a voiced protagonist  to the table along with a fascinating fantasty setting, good story and faster combat, I am expecting good things from this game.

What I mean by all this is that I disagree with your claim that their games have declined in quality. They have simpIy become different. think they've been of varying quality, and that now they're finally moving toward a truly unique medium for storytelling. And that's what these games are about for me, anyway: story. The Mass Effect games presented their story in such a concentrated form that it was impossible not to become immersed in the game. I hope that the same feeling will be present in DA2.

Modifié par Doveberry, 23 février 2011 - 07:07 .

[savealot]

I'll miss the camera options and i enjoy micromanaging my Rpg's. Yes, I'm a geek. I did not like DAO'S combat in the beginning but grew to like it. I enjoyed ME1 more so than ME2 and DAO has its faults but on the whole i love Bioware games .... I did not enjoy the combat in the DAO2 demo but here's hoping the main game will be worth my time and money... I'm willing to go where DAO2 wants to take me..... i hope it's not a letdown.

[Mad-Max90]

You can download jade empire of off xbox live, still waiting for kotor though, but I agree with the op, their stories are marvelous but yeah I'm one of the guys who loves all the changes they went with, to me I love the action and new style of everything, people just need to please remain calm

[Morning808]

Purple People Eater wrote...
Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change.

God how true but thats with a majority of the human race

Purple People Eater wrote...
I agree with you, that Bioware games are more about the journey than anything else, but I think gameplay wise they've done good on advancing their ideas. If it were up to most of the bleeding hearts around this place, DA2 would play like Baldurs Gate, which was good for its time, but would seem pretty bland, and archaic in a modern day game.

I have no doubt DA2 will be a spectaular game. Im not blind to its faults, but I do have a good perspective when it comes to enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be. Thats a big problem around here.

To me the Combat was a major improvment even if its pressing A all the time since I am doing something! But they did screw the people who loved the old fighting style, they should of put the option somewhere to change the combat to DA:O or at they should of made the PC game that fighting system, thats the games biggest flaw and why I think a lot of people are complaining