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[tez19]

Morning808 wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change.

God how true but thats with a majority of the human race

Purple People Eater wrote...
I agree with you, that Bioware games are more about the journey than anything else, but I think gameplay wise they've done good on advancing their ideas. If it were up to most of the bleeding hearts around this place, DA2 would play like Baldurs Gate, which was good for its time, but would seem pretty bland, and archaic in a modern day game.

I have no doubt DA2 will be a spectaular game. Im not blind to its faults, but I do have a good perspective when it comes to enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be. Thats a big problem around here.

To me the Combat was a major improvment even if its pressing A all the time since I am doing something! But they did screw the people who loved the old fighting style, they should of put the option somewhere to change the combat to DA:O or at they should of made the PC game that fighting system, thats the games biggest flaw and why I think a lot of people are complaining

erm excuse me, the pc has auto attack (the origins system) by default and console players can toggle to that style of fighting if they wish. So they people complaining ought not to be.

[CarlSpackler]

Morning808 wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change.

God how true but thats with a majority of the human race

All very true, but I think it can be helpful to differentiate between those who dislike change, and those who dislike specifice changes.

For example I'm not opposed to change in of itself, I'm happy to see Bioware try new things, but I'm not crazy about the switch to voiced PC and dialogue wheel.  Not exactly an unknown quantity and after playing DAO, ME2, an DAA within a short timeframe, I can say that I definitively prefer the silent PC.  I realize some folks enjoy the new system, to which I say Godspeed.  I just dislike sometimes being labeled as not accepting change and needing to just get over it when I or others put forward their dislike of known quantities.

Anyways, as always, I'm really looking forward to DA2 and very much interested in some of the "changes."

[NiHau]

CarlSpackler wrote...
Morning808 wrote...

all what i can see here is you say an RPG DA2 is dead and hurray to the marketing ..  :wizard: ?!?

if so then il meke you 2 diferent opions why yhis suck or why it doesent wihout my knowledge of english..
Why this is not what we expected , First of all because the name of Game if it vould be called Dragon efect 2 noone vould meke this big fuss because its not related to DA:O i dont realy care if the Few characters is here its yust not that what needs to be ,because its DA 2 the simbol "2" MEANS THE AFTER the previusly game  > GAME
not new characters new boses new races etc...
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and another why this game is good for other well its game good as i readed in the forums are becase Console users they dont seems to complain
/ on other side Pc users winning in a row, but lets go on why this game is good. Emm il start wit this only real aspect i see Graph > blurred,Glowing,New Characters,a new game ? i yust dont see any good aspects in this one WHY? graphic? i dont care if its goes in Directx11 or idk 12 i can play in minimal with minimal display resolution wit crappy graph only one i think the plot yeah meybe the plot will be "omg"
but they that OMG will be the only think for what il buy it ... if i whant OMG i can go and  play some action shooter whers blood enywhare and all .. 
sorry about bad english this is yust my opion and im not trolling yust and fan of DA:O 

Modifié par NiHau, 23 février 2011 - 07:49 .

[elijah_kaine]

CarlSpackler wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change.

God how true but thats with a majority of the human race

All very true, but I think it can be helpful to differentiate between those who dislike change, and those who dislike specifice changes.

For example I'm not opposed to change in of itself, I'm happy to see Bioware try new things, but I'm not crazy about the switch to voiced PC and dialogue wheel.  Not exactly an unknown quantity and after playing DAO, ME2, an DAA within a short timeframe, I can say that I definitively prefer the silent PC.  I realize some folks enjoy the new system, to which I say Godspeed.  I just dislike sometimes being labeled as not accepting change and needing to just get over it when I or others put forward their dislike of known quantities.

Anyways, as always, I'm really looking forward to DA2 and very much interested in some of the "changes."

I don't think that it's the disliking change that anyone really has a problem with.

It's more the attitude people take about the change. You seem pretty respectful about both the [maybe] majority of new players who enjoy the newer systems, and you seem to understand the reasons for the decisions.

Your reaction to the changes isn't the common, the common one is...

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Oh hey Bioware, I see you're making a new game I Love BG2, I cant wait :happy:

wait, wait just one minute here...

Your giving the PC a voice..

I'll eat you and your family!!!! There's no such thing as an RPG anymore, Bioware is gonna crash and burn, Stephen Colbert is a Vampire, the music now a' days is corrupting the youth but the music in my time was find and didn't have anything to do with violence!!!!
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Bioware can't please everyone and has to make decisions to please as many people as possible in order to maintain financial success.

It's just there is a proper way to voice disappointment over change and an improper way and a lot of people [on the forums at least] tend to voice is very much like the example above.

Modifié par elijah_kaine, 23 février 2011 - 07:50 .

[elijah_kaine]

NiHau [/url] ]
all what i can see here is you say an RPG DA2 is dead and hurray to the marketing ..  :wizard: ?!?

See?

Modifié par elijah_kaine, 23 février 2011 - 07:48 .

[wildannie]

I totally agree with OP, and can't wait for 11th March to play the game.



The demo is fine, it's great to get the feel of the new combat, but I've skipped most of the conversations so I'm not familiar with it. I'll enjoy the journey more that way

[CarlSpackler]

elijah_kaine wrote...

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Well put.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

BioWare don't make journeys like they used to sadly. I still have a lngering affection for the company because they dropped bombs like Baldur's Gate which was so far ahead of anything else out there it's not even funny.

It was fantatstic for it's time but it just looks now like some sort of fluke because it's exponentially better than everything subsequently released.



BG > BG2 > KOTOR > Mass Effect > DA:O > Mass Effect 2 > DA2



The decline in quality appears to be inexorable and it's like some sort of tragi farce where the company singlehandedly resurrected the entire CRPG genre and then kept reaching for the stars only to fall shorter every time.



BG owns DA2 yo

[tez19]

TripedWire wrote...

BioWare don't make journeys like they used to sadly. I still have a lngering affection for the company because they dropped bombs like Baldur's Gate which was so far ahead of anything else out there it's not even funny.
It was fantatstic for it's time but it just looks now like some sort of fluke because it's exponentially better than everything subsequently released.

BG > BG2 > KOTOR > Mass Effect > DA:O > Mass Effect 2 > DA2

The decline in quality appears to be inexorable and it's like some sort of tragi farce where the company singlehandedly resurrected the entire CRPG genre and then kept reaching for the stars only to fall shorter every time.

BG owns DA2 yo

Please do not reply to the nostalgia troll. Thankyou.

[Purple People Eater]

TripedWire wrote...

BioWare don't make journeys like they used to sadly. I still have a lngering affection for the company because they dropped bombs like Baldur's Gate which was so far ahead of anything else out there it's not even funny.
It was fantatstic for it's time but it just looks now like some sort of fluke because it's exponentially better than everything subsequently released.

BG > BG2 > KOTOR > Mass Effect > DA:O > Mass Effect 2 > DA2

The decline in quality appears to be inexorable and it's like some sort of tragi farce where the company singlehandedly resurrected the entire CRPG genre and then kept reaching for the stars only to fall shorter every time.

BG owns DA2 yo

Perfect example of nostalgia halting progress. Risks have to be taken at some point. Changes have to be made. I loved Baldurs Gate 1 & 2, but I finished those games a long time ago. I dont want to play them again. I want a new experience, a new way to play, and a fresh approach. Any sane, forward thinking gamer does as well. Have fun living in the stone age though. You shall not be missed.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it at all, Baldur's Gate was ground breaking and it is rightly considered one of the greates games of all time.
It came out eleven years ago. Nobody is going to be hype about DA2 in eleven months.

[tez19]

TripedWire wrote...

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it at all, Baldur's Gate was ground breaking and it is rightly considered one of the greates games of all time.
It came out eleven years ago. Nobody is going to be hype about DA2 in eleven months.

Please do not reply to the nostalgia troll and drag the thread off topic. Thankyou.

[Muzza1997]

All Bioware wants to do is make a game that will push boundarys and make their Fans happy of course! They do also do it for the Money but I would say from experience that Bioware is Loyal to its Fans and would never choose Money over their Fans!

[Morning808]

tez19 wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change.

God how true but thats with a majority of the human race

Purple People Eater wrote...
I agree with you, that Bioware games are more about the journey than anything else, but I think gameplay wise they've done good on advancing their ideas. If it were up to most of the bleeding hearts around this place, DA2 would play like Baldurs Gate, which was good for its time, but would seem pretty bland, and archaic in a modern day game.

I have no doubt DA2 will be a spectaular game. Im not blind to its faults, but I do have a good perspective when it comes to enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be. Thats a big problem around here.

To me the Combat was a major improvment even if its pressing A all the time since I am doing something! But they did screw the people who loved the old fighting style, they should of put the option somewhere to change the combat to DA:O or at they should of made the PC game that fighting system, thats the games biggest flaw and why I think a lot of people are complaining

erm excuse me, the pc has auto attack (the origins system) by default and console players can toggle to that style of fighting if they wish. So they people complaining ought not to be.

I made the post before I found out the the system is still in sorry

TripedWire wrote...

BioWare don't make journeys like they used to sadly. I still have a lngering affection for the company because they dropped bombs like Baldur's Gate which was so far ahead of anything else out there it's not even funny.
It was fantatstic for it's time but it just looks now like some sort of fluke because it's exponentially better than everything subsequently released.

BG > BG2 > KOTOR > Mass Effect > DA:O > Mass Effect 2 > DA2

The decline in quality appears to be inexorable and it's like some sort of tragi farce where the company singlehandedly resurrected the entire CRPG genre and then kept reaching for the stars only to fall shorter every time.

BG owns DA2 yo

BE GONE TROLL!

[NiHau]

TripedWire wrote...

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it at all, Baldur's Gate was ground breaking and it is rightly considered one of the greates games of all time.
It came out eleven years ago. Nobody is going to be hype about DA2 in eleven months.

meh if it will be so bad as in demo i can say RPG lovers will be like GTFO Ea
im going home /meh zzz

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All Bioware wants to do is make a game that will push boundarys and make their Fans happy of course! They do also do it for the Money but I would say from experience that Bioware is Loyal to its Fans and would never choose Money over their Fans!
you my friend are retarded^_^

Modifié par NiHau, 23 février 2011 - 08:55 .

[Dante Angelo]

TripedWire wrote...

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it at all, Baldur's Gate was ground breaking and it is rightly considered one of the greates games of all time.
It came out eleven years ago. Nobody is going to be hype about DA2 in eleven months.

How would you know can you see the future

[Purple People Eater]

TripedWire wrote...

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it at all, Baldur's Gate was ground breaking and it is rightly considered one of the greates games of all time.
It came out eleven years ago. Nobody is going to be hype about DA2 in eleven months.

Yeah well Final Fantasy 7 is probably my favorite game of all time, but I dont hold every other Final Fantasy, or any other RPG for that matter to some weird standard ive created in my head over it. Its unfair, and ridiculous for me, or you to expect the same tingly sensation we got in the old days. You move on, and find other things to be excited about in what is in the here and now. Either that, or you end up stuck in the past and bitter for no good reason.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Muzza1997 wrote...

All Bioware wants to do is make a game that will push boundarys and make their Fans happy of course! They do also do it for the Money but I would say from experience that Bioware is Loyal to its Fans and would never choose Money over their Fans!

They didn't just break boundries in the past they fricking shattered them, these days they make boundries not break them.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Hey look, sorry you guys are getting salty cos you weren't around when BioWare was beast but crying nostalgia troll or trying to clown like DA2 is even in the same universe as BG is objecively wrong.

[Elvoria]

I have played Dragon Age Origins about 10 times at an average of 36 hours each play thru on PC and PS3 , Much more time invested in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect 3 times and Mass Effect 2 I'm on 2nd play thru average of about 27 hours each run.

Bioware games have epic story telling and can be replayed over many times and still draw you in.

[NiHau]

Elvoria wrote...

I have played Dragon Age Origins about 10 times at an average of 36 hours each play thru on PC and PS3 , Much more time invested in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect 3 times and Mass Effect 2 I'm on 2nd play thru average of about 27 hours each run.

Bioware games have epic story telling and can be replayed over many times and still draw you in.

then you can ask them rename the DA2 to Dragon age efect and think about it ...
if you have what to think wit..

[tez19]

NiHau wrote...

Elvoria wrote...

I have played Dragon Age Origins about 10 times at an average of 36 hours each play thru on PC and PS3 , Much more time invested in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect 3 times and Mass Effect 2 I'm on 2nd play thru average of about 27 hours each run.

Bioware games have epic story telling and can be replayed over many times and still draw you in.

then you can ask them rename the DA2 to Dragon age efect and think about it ...
if you have what to think wit..

I accept that english may not be your first language, but when people cannot make out what you are even attempting to say i think it is time you stopped posting? Sorry.

[Captain Sassy Pants]

Purple People Eater wrote...

Well as far as most of the people around here go, they dont like change, they're stuck in a nostalgic rut, and they think anything not in line with their narrow minded ideal isnt any good.

I agree with you, that Bioware games are more about the journey than anything else, but I think gameplay wise they've done good on advancing their ideas. If it were up to most of the bleeding hearts around this place, DA2 would play like Baldurs Gate, which was good for its time, but would seem pretty bland, and archaic in a modern day game.

I have no doubt DA2 will be a spectaular game. Im not blind to its faults, but I do have a good perspective when it comes to enjoying the game for what it is, and not what I percieve it should be. Thats a big problem around here.

You mean, it should retain and use some of those elements of the game it is a "spiritual successor" to? Why, I never!

Geez, you're just as self-righteous as the rest of us. Being on the opposite side of the argument gives you no more credence than them. Please, get over yourself already.

Not everyone likes the same change you do. It has nothing to do with a blanket "fear all change" that you and your ilk like to cover everyone with.

[Derax]

THink of that:
the "old" games (bg etc. ) you could play maaany times ....

the newer ones aren't that good

Modifié par Derax, 23 février 2011 - 09:16 .

[NiHau]

I accept that english may not be your first language, but when people cannot make out what you are even attempting to say i think it is time you stopped posting? Sorry.

i mean that DA:O then goes DA2 right ? it must be the AFTER GAME  > GAME
il meke it simple  "DAO > DA2" not the new Characters the Space UI and unreal matrix rogue moves + mage mele WTF ? did you ever seen in any game mage goes like Jedi ...