I like everything except the tighter camera. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but I did like zooming the heck out and seeing huge clouds of fire, ice, and death fog blasting all around me. Good times!
Does anyone else LIKE every single change?
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#77
Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:43
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I am so sick of phrases that start with "true". Because they are so obviously "No true Scotsman" fallacies that I want to tear of my ears and bash my head into a desk.
I think the problem here is not just the fact that a lot of people are complaining (complaints are good as long as they are constructive) but the complaints themselves seem to be entirely divorced from both common courtesy and explanation. Too oft we see cries of "IT SUCKS" without hearing any real reasons as to why people think it sucks, or at least reasons that aren't along the lines of "ugly" and "I hate it".
Come on guys, were all better than this, if you want to bash the demo then do so but do it politely, try and point out the flaws with at least some level of decorum and tact at the very least it will ensure that people can't just write you off as "bitter".
And I liked most of it, though I think I will have to get the full game before I can say how much I like it.
I think the problem here is not just the fact that a lot of people are complaining (complaints are good as long as they are constructive) but the complaints themselves seem to be entirely divorced from both common courtesy and explanation. Too oft we see cries of "IT SUCKS" without hearing any real reasons as to why people think it sucks, or at least reasons that aren't along the lines of "ugly" and "I hate it".
Come on guys, were all better than this, if you want to bash the demo then do so but do it politely, try and point out the flaws with at least some level of decorum and tact at the very least it will ensure that people can't just write you off as "bitter".
And I liked most of it, though I think I will have to get the full game before I can say how much I like it.
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:47
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Josef bugman3 wrote...
I am so sick of phrases that start with "true". Because they are so obviously "No true Scotsman" fallacies that I want to tear of my ears and bash my head into a desk.
I think the problem here is not just the fact that a lot of people are complaining (complaints are good as long as they are constructive) but the complaints themselves seem to be entirely divorced from both common courtesy and explanation. Too oft we see cries of "IT SUCKS" without hearing any real reasons as to why people think it sucks, or at least reasons that aren't along the lines of "ugly" and "I hate it".
Come on guys, were all better than this, if you want to bash the demo then do so but do it politely, try and point out the flaws with at least some level of decorum and tact at the very least it will ensure that people can't just write you off as "bitter".
And I liked most of it, though I think I will have to get the full game before I can say how much I like it.
I've explained why I dislike the new systems thouroughly and completely. All I get is people telling me to GTFO.
The lovers of this game are far bigger trolls than the haters.
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:48
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Things I don't like.
-Mass Effect dialogue wheel
-Voiced PC
-Over-the-top combat animations and enemy deaths (rogue backflips and kicking flasks in mid-air for example)
-Friend/Rival system (seems to me like a step down from Origins system)
Those are the ones that came to mind. Still, I'm going to get this game and judge it later.
-Mass Effect dialogue wheel
-Voiced PC
-Over-the-top combat animations and enemy deaths (rogue backflips and kicking flasks in mid-air for example)
-Friend/Rival system (seems to me like a step down from Origins system)
Those are the ones that came to mind. Still, I'm going to get this game and judge it later.
#80
Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:50
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Says the hater...Sabiancym wrote...
Josef bugman3 wrote...
I am so sick of phrases that start with "true". Because they are so obviously "No true Scotsman" fallacies that I want to tear of my ears and bash my head into a desk.
I think the problem here is not just the fact that a lot of people are complaining (complaints are good as long as they are constructive) but the complaints themselves seem to be entirely divorced from both common courtesy and explanation. Too oft we see cries of "IT SUCKS" without hearing any real reasons as to why people think it sucks, or at least reasons that aren't along the lines of "ugly" and "I hate it".
Come on guys, were all better than this, if you want to bash the demo then do so but do it politely, try and point out the flaws with at least some level of decorum and tact at the very least it will ensure that people can't just write you off as "bitter".
And I liked most of it, though I think I will have to get the full game before I can say how much I like it.
I've explained why I dislike the new systems thouroughly and completely. All I get is people telling me to GTFO.
The lovers of this game are far bigger trolls than the haters.
First I haven't told you anything like GTFO.
Second, I did explain the parts I liked, but still you speak in plural.
#81
Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:50
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While my reasons for liking some of the same changes the author does are different, a lot of things are looking better.
What is a fairly big concern of mine is what seems to be the limited independence of every enemy; it's possible that the demo had the 'earlier' enemies, which just have the basic attack, but even so, I would've liked every one of them to have some sort of debuff, root ability; and therefore be less numerous in number. (That didn't sound tautological); as it is, it's dreary to just concentrate on a single boss, with the rest of the enemies representing cannon fodder, and requiring little impromptu thinking.
What is a fairly big concern of mine is what seems to be the limited independence of every enemy; it's possible that the demo had the 'earlier' enemies, which just have the basic attack, but even so, I would've liked every one of them to have some sort of debuff, root ability; and therefore be less numerous in number. (That didn't sound tautological); as it is, it's dreary to just concentrate on a single boss, with the rest of the enemies representing cannon fodder, and requiring little impromptu thinking.
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#82
Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:52
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Metalunatic wrote...
Things I don't like.
-Mass Effect dialogue wheel
-Voiced PC
-Over-the-top combat animations and enemy deaths (rogue backflips and kicking flasks in mid-air for example)
-Friend/Rival system (seems to me like a step down from Origins system)
Those are the ones that came to mind. Still, I'm going to get this game and judge it later.
You hated almost everything I liked XD, Difference of opinions..
Still I don't hate you for it LOL.
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:52
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I am not sure that is true, considering that (and I will admit this is from anecdotal evidence) I have seen so many people complain about things that seem to be not entirely balanced. For instance I have seen a fair few complaints about how the wheel makes DA" in "Mass effect craft". Now I personally do not see this at all, and indeed I am rather perplexed by it. Why do people assume this when, from what I have played, it does not seem to have anything beyond its shape to do with Mass effect?
I suppose its just because I cannot understand a lot of the complaints about race choosing and dialogue options. I can accept that people don't like them, what seems odd to me is that people come here to moan about it and that they also seem so keen on harkening back to an older time.
I suppose its just because I cannot understand a lot of the complaints about race choosing and dialogue options. I can accept that people don't like them, what seems odd to me is that people come here to moan about it and that they also seem so keen on harkening back to an older time.
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#84
Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:56
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Besides the new camera view, I enjoyed every improvement.
#85
Posté 23 février 2011 - 05:57
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Changes I don't like:
-the new ogre
-tab key no loger shows enemy health bar
-AoE spell can no longer target at enemy
-the new ogre
-tab key no loger shows enemy health bar
-AoE spell can no longer target at enemy
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:04
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I like all of the changes listed in the OP's post. I have a few concerns, but they are pretty minor.
#87
Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:09
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I like some of the changes, and I can put up with the rest. The game looks like it'll be great fun to play, but I do think that many things I liked from Origins have been traded for things I won't like as much.
So, no, I don't like every single change.
So, no, I don't like every single change.
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:10
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Felene wrote...
Changes I don't like:
-the new ogre
-tab key no loger shows enemy health bar
I agree with you.
#89
Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:15
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Only thing I do not like is the crappy text on SDTVs.
We need a "Large Text" option for console users.
We need a "Large Text" option for console users.
#90
Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:19
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I can't say I like all the changes more than DAO, but I can say I was surprised at how many of them were not as bad as I had anticipated.
I could live w/o the dialog wheel, though I do like the context icons and hope those make it in for ME3. I think the VO for FemHawke is nice however.
Tactical camera. I just need one maybe two more clicks back on my mouse wheel to be happy and more comfortable. I can and will adjust but it's a little to tight on the party for my tastes in some cases.
The animations are much improved and I love the new ones for combat.Sure some of them are a little over the top and silly but the pace and dynamics of them make combat feel better. Walking is a little odd though as they seem to slide a bit, but not as bad as an Elder Scrolls title...
I like the new visual style more. Its less generic, the armors have a nice flavor to them, and I like the punched up saturation. Character model proportions are much better this time around too. They definitely hit their goal on providing a distinctive style.
Not sure if I like all the UI changes. I like the new trees and how they tie the icon shapes into passive, active, and sustained. Don't like the setup for potions. Do like where the party members are located which is close the hotbar. Tooltips provide some better information on abilities than last time, but still some information lacking. New Codex layout is better and worse, better readability but poorer on which is a new entry.
I didn't get any banter in the demo, so hope its still there to the same extent as was in DAO. I also miss being able to talk to party members while out and about. I didn't care for the landmark dialog system in Awakenings and hope its kept to a minimum here.
I will miss gearing up my party much as I missed it in ME2. Yes, yes I know weapons, neck, runes and such which keeps it from being as disappointing as I found that aspect in ME2, but it will be missed.
Not having skills is a definate downer. I like games with a persuade/intimidate system in place & that didnt make it over to DA2.
So far so good from the small snippet of the demo, but I really hope this is about as close as ME and DA come to one another. I like them each for their distinct differences and don't need a ME medieval version.
I could live w/o the dialog wheel, though I do like the context icons and hope those make it in for ME3. I think the VO for FemHawke is nice however.
Tactical camera. I just need one maybe two more clicks back on my mouse wheel to be happy and more comfortable. I can and will adjust but it's a little to tight on the party for my tastes in some cases.
The animations are much improved and I love the new ones for combat.Sure some of them are a little over the top and silly but the pace and dynamics of them make combat feel better. Walking is a little odd though as they seem to slide a bit, but not as bad as an Elder Scrolls title...
I like the new visual style more. Its less generic, the armors have a nice flavor to them, and I like the punched up saturation. Character model proportions are much better this time around too. They definitely hit their goal on providing a distinctive style.
Not sure if I like all the UI changes. I like the new trees and how they tie the icon shapes into passive, active, and sustained. Don't like the setup for potions. Do like where the party members are located which is close the hotbar. Tooltips provide some better information on abilities than last time, but still some information lacking. New Codex layout is better and worse, better readability but poorer on which is a new entry.
I didn't get any banter in the demo, so hope its still there to the same extent as was in DAO. I also miss being able to talk to party members while out and about. I didn't care for the landmark dialog system in Awakenings and hope its kept to a minimum here.
I will miss gearing up my party much as I missed it in ME2. Yes, yes I know weapons, neck, runes and such which keeps it from being as disappointing as I found that aspect in ME2, but it will be missed.
Not having skills is a definate downer. I like games with a persuade/intimidate system in place & that didnt make it over to DA2.
So far so good from the small snippet of the demo, but I really hope this is about as close as ME and DA come to one another. I like them each for their distinct differences and don't need a ME medieval version.
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:19
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While i dont like EVERY change, i do like the demo.
Im hoping the TAB key will show enemy health bars in the full game, and yes i also prefer DAO ogres.
I really like the dialogue wheel and having a voice PC. Certainly wont miss the mute warden and the small origin plots, but i can still go back to them in DAO like im currently playing ME1 again
The combat imo is 90% the same as DAO but more fluid. Though im not keen on the rogue cartwheels.
All in all based on the small demo i generally approve the direction their taking.
Im hoping the TAB key will show enemy health bars in the full game, and yes i also prefer DAO ogres.
I really like the dialogue wheel and having a voice PC. Certainly wont miss the mute warden and the small origin plots, but i can still go back to them in DAO like im currently playing ME1 again
The combat imo is 90% the same as DAO but more fluid. Though im not keen on the rogue cartwheels.
All in all based on the small demo i generally approve the direction their taking.
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 06:55
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I played the demo and just from playing the demo and seeing the changes firsthand I can safely say i like Dragon Age 2 far more than Origins.
-Better fighting system (no shuffling, no stale attacks)
-Ability to really experiment with diverse character builds as opposed to specific archetypes
-Friendship/rivalry system (that was definitely needed)
-Better graphics (that's a given, but I like DA2's look better)
-Interactive conversational system (I don't have to skip dialogue now)
-Much better archery system (Origins archery sucked...I played a DA2 archer and I'm sold)
-From the looks of it when you get a companion you'll be able to start building him/her early (no more bad builds in Origins, where Alistair took till end game to make him a viable tank for example)
-The female gets a default like the male Hawke (not that I will choose the default because I like custom making my characters, but it's nice to see the female get some recognition)
That's not to say I dislike Origins or that Origins is a bad game. Origins took a lot of my time when I got it and I loved the game, but its like how many players felt with Mass Effect 1 going into ME2, DA2 for me is just a better game overall. My one and only gripe would be the exaggerated scene featuring the default Hawke and not your custom character, that just seems odd, especially if you're playing a black, asian (or even blonde/redhead) Hawke (then again that's probably just the demo),
-Better fighting system (no shuffling, no stale attacks)
-Ability to really experiment with diverse character builds as opposed to specific archetypes
-Friendship/rivalry system (that was definitely needed)
-Better graphics (that's a given, but I like DA2's look better)
-Interactive conversational system (I don't have to skip dialogue now)
-Much better archery system (Origins archery sucked...I played a DA2 archer and I'm sold)
-From the looks of it when you get a companion you'll be able to start building him/her early (no more bad builds in Origins, where Alistair took till end game to make him a viable tank for example)
-The female gets a default like the male Hawke (not that I will choose the default because I like custom making my characters, but it's nice to see the female get some recognition)
That's not to say I dislike Origins or that Origins is a bad game. Origins took a lot of my time when I got it and I loved the game, but its like how many players felt with Mass Effect 1 going into ME2, DA2 for me is just a better game overall. My one and only gripe would be the exaggerated scene featuring the default Hawke and not your custom character, that just seems odd, especially if you're playing a black, asian (or even blonde/redhead) Hawke (then again that's probably just the demo),
#93
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:11
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Rawrness13 wrote...
I for one honestly believe that change is good. It's like eating chicken for a week that by the seventh day you would like to kill the cook serving you chicken. Change is always good and what I have seen in the demo, the game is going to be a hit.
Don't bother with those who complain about the changes. They just need some time to realize that if they wish then they may play Dragon Age Origins for the rest of their lives (or until Bioware cuts support for the game at least).
I for one will enjoy this demo until the date of release of the actual game. Cheers.
That's exactly what I have to say to the people who incessantly complain about the game not being Dragon Age: Origins 2.0. If they hate the new game that much they should just play the same game over and over again. I liked Dragon Age: Origins, I like Baldur's Gate 2, all those games, but variety is the spice of life. Dragon Age isn't about a few characters, but a story of an evovling fantasy world where heroes come and go. If we just kept playing "The Warden" and focused only on fan favorite characters and locations, the series would never go anywhere.
There were things I disliked about Mass Effect 2 (you can't be friends with a squadmate without pursuing a romance, inventory/party armor removal, etc...) that I miss about Mass Effect 1. I'll personally always like Mass Effect 1 better than 2, but I respect that Mass Effect 2 had some qualities that made it awesome (combat upgrade specifically). I'm pretty sure there will be aspects from Origins that I'll miss in DA2 (Dual Wielding Warrior and Arcane Warrior some examples). But it's not a gamebreaker for me. I was happy with what I played as far as the demo went, and it looks like its going to be a fantastic game in its own right.
And I wish some would quit accusing people who do like the new changes and direction of being obsessive fanboys or bootlickers. Not all of us are. Some people are just happy with new changes. Those that aren't are welcome to play the games that satisfy them. :happy:
#94
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:14
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Not a huge fan of the new art style but I can live with it. Other than the sart style Iike the changes
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Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:20
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Still dislike the voiced PC and the resulting dialogue wheel, also not a fan of certain aspect of the art charge (the JRPG-like two handed swords) but otherwise, yeah, looking forward to the game.
#96
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:27
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im looking forward to the game,but i think they just put it together.i liked the old platform,
#97
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:35
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the only thing that was mildly noticable but not all together a distraction was the slight Loading pauses within some cutscenes, orthe change over from gameplay to cutscene. But I figured that was just a 'demo thing' so I put it out of my mind and just thoroughly enjoyed the game! Great game, can't wait for March 8th! (the day after my birthday)....
#98
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:37
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i hate every single change they made, demo is a 1/5 , i am not a pc gamer and now i seriously hope they release the witcher 2 on ps3
#99
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:38
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I like all changes but archering is still very boring but theres not much to change to make it fun
#100
Posté 23 février 2011 - 07:43
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I think everything is perfect apart from the annoying thing that is the Demo does not use Direct-X11 and does not allow you to put the graphics to maximum! Those are hardly complaints and I love the game to death!
