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Carfax wrote...
It was a rhetorical question. The guy claimed that more men would buy games if they featured hot female lead characters. I then retorted by stating that the highest selling game of all time CoD MW2, has no female lead character of any kind.
Modifié par erilben, 24 février 2011 - 01:15 .
Riona45 wrote...
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
What? Your opinion is stupid. Most men(including me) don't like to play as women in rpg's because it just doesnt feel right
Why not?It has nothing to do with feeling like "less of a man" as you so uneloquently put it. It has to do with whats more comfortable, and most men(for people without reading comprehension I say MOST not ALL) would rather have their character be a dude, than a chick.
But again, why? It doesn't have anything to do with being socialized to shun anything "feminine?"
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 24 février 2011 - 01:15 .
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Eclipse_9990 wrote...
What? Your opinion is stupid. Most men(including me) don't like to play as women in rpg's because it just doesnt feel right. They can't really connect or relate to the character as much as if they were the same gender. It has nothing to do with feeling like "less of a man" as you so uneloquently put it. It has to do with whats more comfortable, and most men(for people without reading comprehension I say MOST not ALL) would rather have their character be a dude, than a chick.
Bull****. It would make you more of a man in my eyes if you at least admitted it. I wasn't different from you when I was younger. I felt 'uncomfortable', but why I ask you? Do you think you play a female character different from a male? Do you feel uncomfortable reading books or watching movies with female protagonists? You don't need to tell me about what makes you feel comfortable because I have been where you are and you will some day be where I am. If you're lucky. And then you'll realize that you have been young and stupid. But that doesn't make you different from most others. As I said even I was like that at a time.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Carfax wrote...
Because most people identify with their own gender, when playing these kind of games..
That goes for both men and women. Most men would prefer to play a male soldier than a female one, and vice versa.
There's nothing superficial about this at all..
Honestly?
My take is that most males are scared to play a female because they fear they are less of a man afterwards, or just imagine their manly friends learn of it. It doesn't have much to do with identifying because I for one never identify with the player character directly. He or she is just the hero of the story, nothing more, nothing less. I actually find it a bit weird to identify witht he main character so much. I mean he or she is not you, and never will be. So what's the point?
What? Your opinion is stupid. Most men(including me) don't like to play as women in rpg's because it just doesnt feel right. They can't really connect or relate to the character as much as if they were the same gender. It has nothing to do with feeling like "less of a man" as you so uneloquently put it. It has to do with whats more comfortable, and most men(for people without reading comprehension I say MOST not ALL) would rather have their character be a dude, than a chick.
Carfax wrote...
rynluna wrote...
I don't think any 130lb person would be able to swing a greatsword in battle. It is just a fantasy game and I and many others would rather play the game as LadyHawke. If LadyHawke is not believable enough for you, then enjoy your manly MaleHawke who uses spells on people. That is completely believable.
You don't get the point. The point is that LadyHawke, IN COMPARISON to DudeHawke not only looks and sounds younger, but she looks a lot less capable and a lot weaker..
The question is why, when they're supposed to be the same person.
The answer is obvious, at least to me.
Altima Darkspells wrote...
This is old data. Some statistics state that women make up 40-50% of gaming. The most lucrative business model of gaming--MMOs--tend to market heavily on female characters, too.
Also, it is flawed data, since in many cases, a game will not market that you can play as a female. In fact, the only recent game I can think of off the top of my head that will be having a female lead will be a Tomb Raider, and that's still male marketing, because she's a sexual object for male lust as opposed to her own character.
Flawed. ME1 didn't even mention you could play as a female. Out of the hundreds of demos, interviews, and so on, the only reference some people could find that you could play a different gender was an off-handed dev comment.
Some people didn't know you could play FemShep for half a year after ME was released.
Another ME syndrome. While doing significantly better, everything being released from BioWare indicates that Hawke is male. "You knew HIM even before HE was the Champion." People may very well play Mike just because that seems to be the developer's intent.
Carfax wrote...
People cite sales and marketing for not giving female gamers their fair share, but after a while, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. You don't market to women because, despite being a sizeable demographic, they're not the majority. But because they're not marketed to, they feel no compulsion to buy a game. So they're not marketed to.
It's a Catch 22. And yet, despite the game industry treating female gamers like a dirty little secret, they've become the largest minority demographic outside of males ages 12-25.
When I look at Gordon Freeman, I see a glasses wearing nerd who's more at home hitting complex machinery with a wrench with his PhD in Physics than beating in the heads of headcrabs, using a gravity gun to cut people in half with saw blades, etc.
Should attractive people only seek employment in the bedroom?
And when was the last time that a game made an unattractive male lead? Unless that male lead was hidden from view at all times. Having attractive leads is nothing new. It is a form of entertainment, and people do enjoy looking at the pretty one and rooting against the ugly one.
People can be physically strong or well trained enough to kick serious ass without their arms and legs looking like bulging sacks of meat.
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HolyJellyfish wrote...
I'm really not sure what your beef is. If you feel slightly disconnected and ignored, welcome to the other gender. We feel this all the damn time.
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Your right it doesnt. I've tried to play as a girl in a lot of games just to see what it would be like.
AlexXIV wrote...
Bull****. It would make you more of a man in my eyes if you at least admitted it. I wasn't different from you when I was younger. I felt 'uncomfortable', but why I ask you? Do you think you play a female character different from a male? Do you feel uncomfortable reading books or watching movies with female protagonists? You don't need to tell me about what makes you feel comfortable because I have been where you are and you will some day be where I am. If you're lucky. And then you'll realize that you have been young and stupid. But that doesn't make you different from most others. As I said even I was like that at a time.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Carfax wrote...
Because most people identify with their own gender, when playing these kind of games..
That goes for both men and women. Most men would prefer to play a male soldier than a female one, and vice versa.
There's nothing superficial about this at all..
Honestly?
My take is that most males are scared to play a female because they fear they are less of a man afterwards, or just imagine their manly friends learn of it. It doesn't have much to do with identifying because I for one never identify with the player character directly. He or she is just the hero of the story, nothing more, nothing less. I actually find it a bit weird to identify witht he main character so much. I mean he or she is not you, and never will be. So what's the point?
What? Your opinion is stupid. Most men(including me) don't like to play as women in rpg's because it just doesnt feel right. They can't really connect or relate to the character as much as if they were the same gender. It has nothing to do with feeling like "less of a man" as you so uneloquently put it. It has to do with whats more comfortable, and most men(for people without reading comprehension I say MOST not ALL) would rather have their character be a dude, than a chick.
I thought you were 18 or 19 or 20 or something like that. Not even allowed to drink alcohol everywhere but talking like you seen everything. Get a couple of years older and we talk again. And I am done here because I am not here to be insulted by you kiddo.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Bull****. It would make you more of a man in my eyes if you at least admitted it. I wasn't different from you when I was younger. I felt 'uncomfortable', but why I ask you? Do you think you play a female character different from a male? Do you feel uncomfortable reading books or watching movies with female protagonists? You don't need to tell me about what makes you feel comfortable because I have been where you are and you will some day be where I am. If you're lucky. And then you'll realize that you have been young and stupid. But that doesn't make you different from most others. As I said even I was like that at a time.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Carfax wrote...
Because most people identify with their own gender, when playing these kind of games..
That goes for both men and women. Most men would prefer to play a male soldier than a female one, and vice versa.
There's nothing superficial about this at all..
Honestly?
My take is that most males are scared to play a female because they fear they are less of a man afterwards, or just imagine their manly friends learn of it. It doesn't have much to do with identifying because I for one never identify with the player character directly. He or she is just the hero of the story, nothing more, nothing less. I actually find it a bit weird to identify witht he main character so much. I mean he or she is not you, and never will be. So what's the point?
What? Your opinion is stupid. Most men(including me) don't like to play as women in rpg's because it just doesnt feel right. They can't really connect or relate to the character as much as if they were the same gender. It has nothing to do with feeling like "less of a man" as you so uneloquently put it. It has to do with whats more comfortable, and most men(for people without reading comprehension I say MOST not ALL) would rather have their character be a dude, than a chick.
Are you completely retarded? No I don't feel uncomfortable reading books, watching movies or playing action games, or any game that doesnt have customization playing as a female. Hell I loved Silent Hill one, and Resident Evil 3. Those games had Female protagonists, and it doesnt bother me at all.
The difference in this senario is that its a roleplaying game where you have choices, and I like getting into the character. Being a girl as that character doesnt feel right to me. Also dude... Don't try to lecture me I'm 20 I know what I am, I know what I like, I know what I don't like. Your just some random on the internet you don't know me.
Carfax wrote...
FemHawke doesn't look incapable because she's attractive. She looks incapable because she's small and delicate. She couldn't possibly weigh more than 130lbs soaking wet.
Riona45 wrote...
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Your right it doesnt. I've tried to play as a girl in a lot of games just to see what it would be like.
Even if that's all true for you, I don't think you speak for everyone. After all, right in this thread we have Carfax saying the female Hawke looks too young, weak, not capable, not commanding. There's disdain at the thought of identifying with her in any way. And all you have to do is read these forums a while to know that it's not just an isolated case.
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 24 février 2011 - 01:31 .
AlexXIV wrote...
I thought you were 18 or 19 or 20 or something like that. Not even allowed to drink alcohol everywhere but talking like you seen everything. Get a couple of years older and we talk again. And I am done here because I am not here to be insulted by you kiddo.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Bull****. It would make you more of a man in my eyes if you at least admitted it. I wasn't different from you when I was younger. I felt 'uncomfortable', but why I ask you? Do you think you play a female character different from a male? Do you feel uncomfortable reading books or watching movies with female protagonists? You don't need to tell me about what makes you feel comfortable because I have been where you are and you will some day be where I am. If you're lucky. And then you'll realize that you have been young and stupid. But that doesn't make you different from most others. As I said even I was like that at a time.Eclipse_9990 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Carfax wrote...
Because most people identify with their own gender, when playing these kind of games..
That goes for both men and women. Most men would prefer to play a male soldier than a female one, and vice versa.
There's nothing superficial about this at all..
Honestly?
My take is that most males are scared to play a female because they fear they are less of a man afterwards, or just imagine their manly friends learn of it. It doesn't have much to do with identifying because I for one never identify with the player character directly. He or she is just the hero of the story, nothing more, nothing less. I actually find it a bit weird to identify witht he main character so much. I mean he or she is not you, and never will be. So what's the point?
What? Your opinion is stupid. Most men(including me) don't like to play as women in rpg's because it just doesnt feel right. They can't really connect or relate to the character as much as if they were the same gender. It has nothing to do with feeling like "less of a man" as you so uneloquently put it. It has to do with whats more comfortable, and most men(for people without reading comprehension I say MOST not ALL) would rather have their character be a dude, than a chick.
Are you completely retarded? No I don't feel uncomfortable reading books, watching movies or playing action games, or any game that doesnt have customization playing as a female. Hell I loved Silent Hill one, and Resident Evil 3. Those games had Female protagonists, and it doesnt bother me at all.
The difference in this senario is that its a roleplaying game where you have choices, and I like getting into the character. Being a girl as that character doesnt feel right to me. Also dude... Don't try to lecture me I'm 20 I know what I am, I know what I like, I know what I don't like. Your just some random on the internet you don't know me.
Carfax wrote...
This is old data. Some statistics state that women make up 40-50% of gaming. The most lucrative business model of gaming--MMOs--tend to market heavily on female characters, too.
Carfax wrote...
Flawed. ME1 didn't even mention you could play as a female. Out of the hundreds of demos, interviews, and so on, the only reference some people could find that you could play a different gender was an off-handed dev comment.
Some people didn't know you could play FemShep for half a year after ME was released.
Um, I wasn't talking about ME1. I was talking about ME2. Bioware released the statistics for ME2 a few months ago. I don't think Bioware ever collected stats on ME1.
Carfax wrote...
It's a Catch 22. And yet, despite the game industry treating female gamers like a dirty little secret, they've become the largest minority demographic outside of males ages 12-25.
I don't think that game developers intentionally snub female gamers.
The fact is, games like Call of Duty, the Witcher, Mass Effect, Dragon Age etc are games that only a small minority of females play.
Games like WoW, the Sims etc on the other hand, are played by a lot more women, and so developers adjust their marketing strategy appropriately.
Carfax wrote...
When I look at Gordon Freeman, I see a glasses wearing nerd who's more at home hitting complex machinery with a wrench with his PhD in Physics than beating in the heads of headcrabs, using a gravity gun to cut people in half with saw blades, etc.
Should attractive people only seek employment in the bedroom?
FemHawke doesn't look incapable because she's attractive. She looks incapable because she's small and delicate. She couldn't possibly weigh more than 130lbs soaking wet.
But it's more than that. Look at how she compares to DudeHawke! Thats the most telling aspect of it all, and proves what I'm saying.
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Your right. This is just my opinion, but I think I'm right on this.
She is amazing.
Addai67 wrote...
Is usurption a word?
Riona45 wrote...
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Your right. This is just my opinion, but I think I'm right on this.
Umm, that was my point. That playing a female "just doesn't feel right" to many (though not all) men because they think anything feminine indicates weakness (this is institutionalized and not just on an individual level, but I won't go into that now). When I brought that up, you denied that was the reason for you, and I let it pass.
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