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[SnakeHelah]

How is anything realistic in the game? Please tell me where to find those pesky darkspawn in rl?

I mean honestly, damn it's a fantasy rpg. Everyting doesn't need to be realistic.

[Hellosanta]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Less theorycrafting, more actual realism please.

Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword? Have you fought for more than 20 minutes wielding such a weapon? Have you done this while wearing a heavy armor? I don't think so.

There's a difference between reading a weight and actually carrying that weight, just for your interest.

And I'm suprised to see that you are still around the forum.
Oh well, I'll ask  you the same thing, "Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword? Have you fought for more than 20
minutes wielding such a weapon? Have you done this while wearing a heavy
armor? And if you have done all those thing, ... are you also skilled warrior like Hawke?"
There are just so many variables that change the consequences of each events.

[ObserverStatus]

Taleroth wrote...

But then how do my arrows send people flying?!

I have a theory that gravity is far weaker on Thedas than on Earth.  This would explain why arrows send people flying, the weapons and armor are far more massive than Earth weapons and armor, and how rogues and warriors can fly (mighty blow.)  Just look at the High Dragon, there's no way it could fly on earth with such small wings.  The weapons in question are "massive," but not "heavy."

Modifié par bobobo878, 23 février 2011 - 09:01 .

[Moondoggie]

I love how the word realism when describing what they want in a fantasy game with monsters and dragons and stuff. I think the realism went out the window right around when the blight showed up XD

[Derax]

Stiler wrote...

I see a lot of people here, and other forums complaining about the pace of combat and how people are throwing around quote, "20 pound swords" at a faster pace.  While I can agree about all the leaping looks a bit strange, but the actual motion/speed of movement isn't terrible, especially compared to the "slow" two handed swords of DA1 that looked really out of place.

Swords in themselves aren't that heavy, historically most swords were around three  pounds, the even bigger two handers could easily be under 5 pounds to around 7 pounds. Any sword that is ten, let alone twenty+ pounds is simply not viable for combat.

http://www.thearma.o...ays/weights.htm
http://www.thearma.o...ssays/2HGS.html

look at their size and compare it to the ones ingame ^^

[TwistedComplex]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Less theorycrafting, more actual realism please.

Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword? Have you fought for more than 20 minutes wielding such a weapon? Have you done this while wearing a heavy armor? I don't think so.

There's a difference between reading a weight and actually carrying that weight, just for your interest.

Your asking if the adverage person if they've done those things.

The adverage person probably isn't as fit as a warrior Hawke

But at the end of the day. WHO CARES if it's real, as long as it's fun. Real life is boring, one of the few fun parts about it are the unrealistic video games

[FellowerOfOdin]

Last thursday, wearing a chainmail with gloves and metal helmet, 2x 15 minutes. It's tiring to say the least, not to mention that the actual weight increases when you swing a sword.



Then again, nobody would voluntarily use great swords anyway. They have like no advantage...slow, ineffective against most armors and having their effective power distributed on the entire blade.

[madsabroo]

I'm sure someone else here has been to the William Wallace memorial. I stood next to his sword and it was as tall as I am. I'm 5'3." That's one huge ass sword.

[Vicious]

Swords are not heavy. Neither is armor particularly heavy.

Sure it's tiring, but you train for that.

Weaklings.

They have like no advantage...slow, ineffective against most armors and having their effective power distributed on the entire blade.

Yep. Axes win.

Modifié par Vicious, 23 février 2011 - 09:04 .

[druplesnubb]

Haasth wrote...

Realistically speaking we could all be jumping! Think about that!
And what about bow strings? Quivers? I'm sure medieval archers didn't just conjure arrows and fired them with the power of their mind. Or did they?

DUN DUN DUNN!!!

[FellowerOfOdin]

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Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 23 février 2011 - 09:09 .

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Hellosanta wrote...

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

It's the size and blade geometry that is the problem. They look so huge and heavy that the animations don't fit them well.

Of course, most people, specially on these boards, know that actual realistic, historical swords weren't that big (aside from some ceremonial, or very specialized examples - and whose blade geometry and weight would have been different anyway) and weren't heavy.

I would have loved to see more realistic and visceral combat along with more realistic weapons. I don't know why people think these things are incompatible with fun.

actually the 2H sword you got in the demo wasn't much bigger than real greatsword. For sure, it had wider blade and longer handle, but there wasn't much of exeggeration. Thus, I assume the 2H sword in DA2 to be around 10 lbs. It's pretty heavy for nomal guy/girl, but I doubt it would be same for a skilled warrior like Hawke.
And ... I'll basically say same thing to you. why the realism should be there for fun? It seemd like most people who were ranting for realism in combat thought like "No fun at all if the combat is not realistic."

I'm not saying it has to be realistic to be fun. Just that it CAN be both realistic AND fun. Some people here dismiss realistic as not being fun. That's just as silly as dismissing stylized combat as not fun.

And if we're tlaking about historicla weapons we need ot be careful about terms. "Great sword" was seldom used, and it meant different things at different times to different people.

This: (1:22) 

Is like no "greatsword" I've ever seen. It's closer to the renaissance Zweihanders. Which were more like specialized field swords than the general purpose weapons longsword/arming swords (or cut & thrusts during the renaissance) were. And those things, as big as they were did not include HUGE broad flat blade geometries tha tlooked like thei weigh over 10 pounds. 4-7 pounds is the historicla weight for those. And "greatswords" of the medieval period, essentially being larger than average longswords weighed no more than 3-5 pounds.

You cannot use a 10lb sword in any sort of effective way outside of , maybe, a tight military formation.

[silentassassin264]

Well to be honest, that is because real two-handed swords are about the size of the one-handed swords. DA two-handed weapons are insanely huge. It doesn't bother me at all (the bigger the battleaxe the better) but I can see if it annoyed someone.

[Kaeldorn S]

Greatswords are good for intimidating peasants.

[TwistedComplex]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

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Claymores were heavily used by the Scottish. They weren't as well armored as the british, so the claymores reach made up for that

[Master Warder Z_]

I agree, swords are made to be weapons of war and death. They like most weapons were designed to be useable by the majority of armies, so making swords unweildably heavy would be a no no, on the other i like most people found hawke leaping all over the place with one kind of odd none the less.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Kaeldorn S wrote...

Greatswords are good for intimidating peasants.

I think we can all agree on that.

[drahelvete]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Then again, nobody would voluntarily use great swords anyway. They have like no advantage...slow, ineffective against most armors and having their effective power distributed on the entire blade.

Greatswords and zweihänders were primarily used as anti-cavalry weapons and to break up pike formations.

[Loc'n'lol]

Purgatious wrote...

Don't forget fire isn't that yellow!

Yes, real fire is red. I saw it once on the internet.

[Sabresandiego]

Greatswords do have an advantage, range. If you mean by greatsword heavy, then greatswords suck. Heavy greatswords blow, but a long, sharp, 2 hander is a good weapon. Speed and length are the 2 advantages a 2 hander has. Weapons like a katana or longsword or bastard sword are good 2 handed swords.

A sword and shield is superior to a 2 handed weapon if both fighters are unarmored, however if both are armored then the 2 handed weapon is better. Also, good 2 hander are light enough to use with 1 hand.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 23 février 2011 - 09:21 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword?

Yes I have. Several times, I own several swords.

Have you fought for more than 20 minutes wielding such a weapon?

About 15 Minutes

Have you done this while wearing a heavy armor?

Chainmail. Medium armor.

are you also skilled warrior like Hawke?

I'm not a ''warrior'', but I can bench press 300lbs and I negative-curl 90 lbs 8 times / arm. What I'm trying to say is, I think I'm physically able to wield heavy blades very effectively.
And I can wield a really big 10lbs two handed greatsword with only half the speed Lady Hawke wields it  in DAII.

*edit* screwed up spelling

Modifié par The Woldan , 23 février 2011 - 09:24 .

[TwistedComplex]

The Woldan wrote...

Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword?

Yes I have. Several times, I own several swords.

Have you fought for more than 20 minutes wielding such a weapon?

About 15 Minutes

Have you done this while wearing a heavy armor?

Chainmail. Medium armor.

are you also skilled warrior like Hawke?

 I can bench press 300lbs and I negative-curl 90 lbs 8 times / arm. What I'm trying to say is, I think I'm physically able to wield heavy blades very effectively.

...Sten? Is that you?

[Mutantsquirrel]

SnakeHelah wrote...

How is anything realistic in the game? Please tell me where to find those pesky darkspawn in rl?
I mean honestly, damn it's a fantasy rpg. Everyting doesn't need to be realistic.

Moondoggie wrote...

I love how the word realism when describing what they want in a fantasy game with monsters and dragons and stuff. I think the realism went out the window right around when the blight showed up XD

QFT

I just cannot comprehend seeing complaints about realism for a game involving mages.

But I'll resolve it for those who still want "realism."

If you can rp ... pretend your character drank a special lyrium potion or had extra wheaties for breakfast and he/she can feel the power coursing through their veins allowing them to wield the blade of titans

If you can't rp ... go back to CoD because this is an RPG! 

Modifié par Mutantsquirrel, 23 février 2011 - 09:25 .

[Sabresandiego]

The Woldan wrote...

Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword?

Yes I have. Several times, I own several swords.

Have you fought for more than 20 minutes wielding such a weapon?

About 15 Minutes

Have you done this while wearing a heavy armor?

Chainmail. Medium armor.

are you also skilled warrior like Hawke?

I'm not a ''warrior'', but I can bench press 300lbs and I negative-curl 90 lbs 8 times / arm. What I'm trying to say is, I think I'm physically able to wield heavy blades very effectively.
And I can wield a really big 10lbs two handed greatsword only half as fast as Lady Hawke in DAII.

In a realistic melee fight, range and speed are the 2 biggest advantages.

[FellowerOfOdin]

TwistedComplex wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Have you ever wielded a 7 pound sword?

Yes I have. Several times, I own several swords.

Have you fought for more than 20 minutes wielding such a weapon?

About 15 Minutes

Have you done this while wearing a heavy armor?

Chainmail. Medium armor.

are you also skilled warrior like Hawke?

 I can bench press 300lbs and I negative-curl 90 lbs 8 times / arm. What I'm trying to say is, I think I'm physically able to wield heavy blades very effectively.

...Sten? Is that you?

No, it's someone with actual experience. I only get 250lbs and 60 lbs...bah, beat me. Need...to...train...harder

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 23 février 2011 - 09:27 .