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[Onyx Jaguar]

The Sims games have long shelf-lifes like Nintendo properties

[PPF65]

Played it again, repeatedly, and kept my pre-order. Seriously naysayers, I hate CoD (liked the original and Call of Duty 2... but since then... bleh), and I find the Diablo series painful; Blizzard should focus more time on their RTS games, they're much better at those.

DA2 has fast and hectic combat, but combat IS fast and hectic. If thats not what you want, you can pause and issue commands. Also, don't question the story 'till you acctually play the full game. Its not like Bioware was gonna put a massive wall of text filled with spoilers in. Get the game, play it, love it.... then play it again... over and over and over...

Modifié par PPF65, 24 février 2011 - 05:24 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Why do you care if this player express their displeasure with the game?

I'm not saying that at all.
AllI'm saying is that sales matter more than what people think while they are playing it. 

Okay. I've responded too much to this. We can continue in PM if you want.

[clopin]

I played more Castle Crashers. I'll buy the game in time, I just have a hard time buying a single player game the day it comes out, at least since college and 16 miles to the gallon keep me poor. Not to mention I'm only half way through DA1 right now (And someone else is using the copy), so...

[ErichHartmann]

Of course I'm keeping my pre - order. I enjoyed the demo more than Origins.

[In Exile]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oh yeah. By the way. I did that, too.

Don't you mean you're doing it 37 time? It was you who said a while ago you'd buy one copy for every naysayer, right?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Saibh wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The Sim 3 isn't listed there. Hmmm doesn't look like it sold 1.85 million copies per half month anymore. You are right, the sale figure is inaccurate. So do you still believe it will outsold sims 1 and 2?

1. You listed sales for 2010. Sims 3 was released 2009.
2. It doesn't list PC games anyway, as well as only listing US sales figures.
3. Sims 1 has been out eleven years. Sims 2 has been out for seven.
4. It's not about outselling now, because it's been out for only a year and a half. It's that it is doing just as well--if not better--comparitively.

Most important question is do you believe upcoming DA3 will outsold DA2?

This isn't, and has never been, the point. Neither you nor I could prove it. We are talking about DAII.

As I said earlier, DA2 is backed up by Origins popularity ( forget what I wrote earlier about Mass Effect 2. I'm less motivated to look for into of the game I'm not interested ). DA 2 reputation is built upon Origins. Most of people expect DA2 will be better than Origins. We already see that with amount of pre-order over the last couple of months. We already know some of those who complaint retain their pre-order for their own reason. We know  UK PC gamer rate DA2 92% while  2 German magazines ( I forget their names ) rate 87% and 88% respectively. All this is due to Origins reputation. There is no way DA2 going to be dumb down. In term of sales figures, you could say it's going to be successful... ( or will it? ). DA2 is by no mean going to show anything bad. But does that show the truth behind all those numbers, reviews and polls ( your polls is a very good  indicator though )? For all I'm concern, It could also mean the death of DA series. You'll know when less people buying DA3 and future DA series because they no longer trust the game as they did with Origins.

Now you know better about Mass Effect 2 than I do. From what I can tell, you don't seem to think Mass Effect is popular game. So what can you tell about the future of Mass Effect 3 base on negative response it received from Mass Effect 2? Do you honestly believe it's going to be as successful as it's previous titles? How well do people anticipate the coming of Mass Effect 3 compare to DA 2? What's your opinion for future Mass Effect series? Is it going to be expanded or it's just end as trilogy series? 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 24 février 2011 - 05:52 .

[Saibh]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

As I said earlier, DA2 is backed up by Origins popularity ( forget what I wrote earlier about Mass Effect 2. I'm less motivated to look for into of the game I'm not interested ). DA 2 reputation is built upon Origins. Most of people expect DA2 will be better than Origins.

So, that means, if it does well and is popular, you can say "It was popular because DAO was popular, but it still sucks!"

And if it does poorly you can say "It wasn't popular because it sucks!"

We already see that with amount of pre-order over the last couple months. We already know some of those who complaint retain their pre-order for their own reason. We know  UK PC gamer rate DA2 92% while  2 German magazines ( I forget their names ) rate 87% and 88% respectively. All this is due to Origins reputation.

I'm sorry, are you actually saying that professional reviews gave it pity scores or something? Please.

I suggest, then, DAO was not popular. It was rated based off of ME's popularity. Which was only popular because of KotOR. Which was, in turn, only popular because of NWN. That was only popular because of BG.

Therefore, DAII is only popular because of BG, and all games have sucked since then. Or because of MDK2.

Now you know better about Mass Effect 2 than I do. From what I can tell, you don't seem to think Mass Effect is popular game. So what can you tell about the future of Mass Effect 3 base on negative response it received from Mass Effect 2? Do you honestly believe it's going to be as successful as it's previous titles? How well do people anticipate the coming of Mass Effect 3 compare to DA 2? What's your opinion for future Mass Effect series? Is it going to be expanded or it's just end as trilogy series?

No, it is a popular game. I'm saying you remind me of the people who claim that it is not because it's riding on the coattails of ME1's glory. This in spite of consumer and critical review.

Yeah, it's going to be as successful. That's because the great majority loved ME2. But these forums are a hotbed for complaining, and you wouldn't guess that by reading them. Same with DAII.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Saibh wrote...
So, that means, if it does well and is popular, you can say "It was popular because DAO was popular, but it still sucks!"

And if it does poorly you can say "It wasn't popular because it sucks!"

Isn't that the reason to listen why it's sucks in first place?

Saibh wrote...
I'm sorry, are you actually saying that professional reviews gave it pity scores or something? Please.

They compare it with Origins, no?

Saibh wrote...
I suggest, then, DAO was not popular. It was rated based off of ME's popularity. Which was only popular because of KotOR. Which was, in turn, only popular because of NWN. That was only popular because of BG.

Which is reasonable why people keep arguing DAO as "spiritual successor to baldur's gate", no? 

Saibh wrote...
No, it is a popular game. I'm saying you remind me of the people who claim that it is not because it's riding on the coattails of ME1's glory. This in spite of consumer and critical review.

I only buy Mass Effect 2. And I don't go to Mass Effect forum. It's not my game. So I have no idea what's you're talking about. 

Saibh wrote...
Yeah, it's going to be as successful. That's because the great majority loved ME2. But these forums are a hotbed for complaining, and you wouldn't guess that by reading them. Same with DAII.

I'm sure I'll be looking forward to hearing news about Mass Effect 3 success as much as DA3 success in future. Hopefully there'll be any sales records as indicator. For DA2, I think I've already made my point why. Let's wait for your polls to develop.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 24 février 2011 - 06:16 .

[Greed1914]

I kept my preorder since I knew about the changes well in advance and didn't have a problem with most of them, if any. Besides, if I bailed on the game and then changed my mind again and bough the game I'd miss out on the Signature Edition.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I remember back when Dune 2 got a free pass because of Dune 1, that dirty filty RTS game. Spitting on the good names of Adventure games

[Saibh]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Isn't that the reason to listen why it's sucks in first place?

That makes no sense.

They compare it with Origins, no?

They compare Bayonetta to Devil May Cry and God of War, what's your point? That doesn't mean they say "DAO was a great game, therefore, this game gets an extra twenty points!"

Which is reasonable why people keep arguing DAO as "spiritual successor to baldur's gate", no?

And ME was only successful because of BG. Any game BioWare has ever made can have its success accredited to BG, under your own logic.

I only buy Mass Effect 2. And I don't go to Mass Effect forum. It's not my game. So I have no idea what's you're talking about.

That's your own issue. I gave you background information. You can look up consumer and critical reviews yourself. I am saying that you are not right in claiming DAII's success will be based on DAO's. Be boosted by, sure. But not because of.

[Xerxes52]

Microscopic text on an SDTV notwithstanding, I kept my pre-order.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I remember Prince of Persia the Sands of Time only being popular because of the raging success of POP 3D on the Dreamcast, because as we all know the Dreamcast was the pinnacle and everything released on it was solid gold may it rest in piece

[Onyx Jaguar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I remember back when Dune 2 got a free pass because of Dune 1, that dirty filty RTS game. Spitting on the good names of Adventure games

And by the way Onyx you forgot to mention Dune 2000, as you probably never played it (not many have).  It was just a remake of Dune 2 so it didn't have hte jump start of Dune behind it, hence it being a failure.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Saibh wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Isn't that the reason to listen why it's sucks in first place?

That makes no sense.

Then Bioware is not making sense with Demo feedback thread either.  From what I know, the mod make it clear for player to post their feedback wheter positive or negative.

Saibh wrote...

They compare it with Origins, no?

They compare Bayonetta to Devil May Cry and God of War, what's your point? That doesn't mean they say "DAO was a great game, therefore, this game gets an extra twenty points!"

I'm too lazy too dig out the threads that contains review from those magazines to argue this with you. 

Saibh wrote...

Which is reasonable why people keep arguing DAO as "spiritual successor to baldur's gate", no?

And ME was only successful because of BG. Any game BioWare has ever made can have its success accredited to BG, under your own logic.

Under your own logic, there is also no BG or NW fan here that expect DA series to be "spiritual successor to BG".  Again I have no idea why you relate this to Mass Effect. I didn't even know Mass Effect is Bioware product until recently. I don't buy DA Origins base on Mass Effect. period. But I do buy DAO based on NW and NW2.  And I'm sure no one will expect Mass Effect to be another "spiritual successor of BG" either. 

Saibh wrote...
That's your own issue. I gave you background information. You can look up consumer and critical reviews yourself.

I've read the reviews and that's exactly why I say it's popular, didn't I? I have no idea why you're attacking me for that.

Saibh wrote..
I am saying that you are not right in claiming DAII's success will be based on DAO's. Be boosted by, sure. But not because of.

People already pre-order DA2 and expecting their signature edition long before DA2 release. They expect a sequel. What else do you expect them to buy? Some unknown RPG title? 

Edit: missing some words.
 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 24 février 2011 - 07:06 .

[Hellosanta]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Saibh wrote..
I am saying that you are not right in claiming DAII's success will be based on DAO's. Be boosted by, sure. But not because of.

People already pre-order DA2 and expecting their signature edition long before DA2 release. They expect a sequel. What else do you expect them to buy? Some unknown RPG title? 

Edit: missing some words.
 

And by now, those people who wanted something very much like DAO cancelled pre-orders or they decided to keep it because they like DA2 regardless of it being actual sequel to DAO or not, no ?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Hellosanta wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Saibh wrote..
I am saying that you are not right in claiming DAII's success will be based on DAO's. Be boosted by, sure. But not because of.

People already pre-order DA2 and expecting their signature edition long before DA2 release. They expect a sequel. What else do you expect them to buy? Some unknown RPG title? 

Edit: missing some words.
 

And by now, those people who wanted something very much like DAO cancelled pre-orders or they decided to keep it because they like DA2 regardless of it being actual sequel to DAO or not, no ?

Yes some of them. It's takes me half a year to accept the fact that I have to let go off my warden. 
There'll some people leaving DA and more new fans to pour in from existing pool of DA fans. No doubt about it. Let's hope DA2 is good enough to see the future of DA3, at least.

[Hellosanta]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
Yes some of them. It's takes me half a year to accept the fact that I have to let go off my warden. 
There'll some people leaving DA and more new fans to pour in from existing pool of DA fans. No doubt about it. Let's hope DA2 is good enough to see the future of DA3, at least.

I, perosnally, like making new characters over and over again, so I didn't really have much grief about not having my warden in DA2. Hawke looks awesome so far, so I'm contented. It's sad to see that some old fans are leaving ... but also it's very irritating to see some of them keep saying that they are leaving (but not leaving for months so far) and DA2 looking crappy to them.
Speaking about DA3, I wonder if Bioware is going to make new engine for it. If then, waiting for DA3 will be very painful ; n; ... long long development time ..

[TwistedComplex]

_purifico_ wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Troll bait.I'm off.

If your off why did you bother posting in the first place?

The order dictates.

I thought you were off?

THE ORDER. Dictates...

[Layn]

really, don't take the 68% as 68% people who are happy with DA2. I am not. However i keep my preorder because i already knew about the changes before the demo (heck, i played pretty much the same thing back in august. i just had less time with it) And as disappointed as i may be... i'll probably still find some fun with it, and i want to give it a fair try.



i'm sure a lot of people are in the same situation as me.

[rob_k]

All I know at the moment by taking a look at the Mass Effect 2 poll is that 80% of the voters weren't dissappointed. Yet, as someone who was around at release date and shortly after, you'd think it was the worst game ever according to the forum here.

Although I'm not sure why the Sims 3 and Mass Effect 2 have been brought up in the discussion here. Last I checked, the topic was about the Dragon Age 2 demo.

Modifié par rob_k, 24 février 2011 - 11:28 .

[Poquimo]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

So the poll doesn't actually represent the vocal voice we hear around. Well for a good reason... 

...

You mean the person saying that she loves it so much she wishes she could pre-order it again?

What, are you trying to stretch for any reason you can think of to justify your dislike of DAII, and insist that everyone else must dislike it too? You have no leg to stand on if you're buying the game anyway. So what if it comes with free DLC? If you don't like it, it's still a waste of sixty bucks.

People pre-order long before the demo when the anticipation is high. What if the demo comes first before pre order? Do you think it'll be the same? 

Now now don't get too emotional. It's unhealthy. 

I would just like to throw in here if I hadn't liked the demo I would have canceled my preorder, I didn't put any money down on it yet except for the five dollar retainer. I own about seven PS3 games and this is the first time I've ever pre-ordered anything before because, yeah I was anticipating it but I was not disappointed.

I'm sorry that isn't the same for everyone though, but I'm really glad I decided to pre-order!

Edit: I do hope for at least some kind of showing of our Warden though ;; but i can see it maybe not happening

Modifié par SpottySpec, 25 février 2011 - 07:11 .