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[kingjezza]

Firstly I would like to point out these are my personal opinions, I'm not stating them as fact and I'm not a troll simply because I might have a negative opinion about DA2.

My first play through on Origins was on normal so I though both games early fights with an Ogre were comparable, both fights come early on and seem like an intro to a tougher fight, although you have other Darkspawn in DA2 to think about as well.

Dragon age Origins, that Ogre kicked my ass so many times before I got the better of it, noway I could just stand in front of it and just hope for the best, I had to make sure I positioned my party in the right places, set them up properly and continually use tactics during the whole fight, my party were never just kept still, it took some thought to beat this ogre.

Compared to Dragon Age 2, with one less party member and extra darkspawn to deal with compared to the DAO ogre, me (warrior S&S) and Aveline basically just stood in front of it hacking at it as much as possible as Bethany stood in the distance firing at it, not once did I move a party member or do anything with them, I didn't think about the fight at all really, I just let them hack away at the ogre and randomly clicked the special abilties with little thought, it basically came down to who could survive the huge hack fest the longest.

I was wondering what experiences others might have had with the two early game ogres?

Modifié par kingjezza, 23 février 2011 - 11:50 .

[XBenotto18]

Origins was better. In my opinion, first boss and all for dragon age

[JamesX]

First time I played Demo I didn't know I was goign to lose bethany, so she was the AOE DD and Hawk was the main healer... let just say that didn't go very well.



I had to kite the oger half way to the starting position before he was killed.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

The ogres acted the exact same in both. Aveline litterally soloed it in one of my playthroughs just because I wanted to see if she could as I kept my Hawke and Bethany just killing all the Darkspawn adds.



Conclusion: Normal in DA:2 is at least an order of magnitude easier than it was in DA:O. That said, I don't think we needed the Ogre to see that. Furthermore, it's not like I'm dissing the combat. I fully expect Nightmare to be more difficult.

[Louis deGuerre]

I can see what they tried to do and perhaps in the actual game it will be better but as it is I greatly preferred DAO:1 combat.

[Demx]

JamesX wrote...

First time I played Demo I didn't know I was goign to lose bethany, so she was the AOE DD and Hawk was the main healer... let just say that didn't go very well.

I had to kite the oger half way to the starting position before he was killed.

Lol I did that too. Mindblast and Heal were the only skills I had.

[Kopawapatezi]

I think the ogre at the start could best be compared to the "bosses" you find in the actual origins. You know, the bereskarn or Trian. Not really a boss level monster, but a step up from the norm.

[Saibh]

This is not a proper comparison--in DAO, you would have gone through the Origin, the Korcari Wilds, and then through the Tower of Ishal.



In DAII, you only just reach the end of the Blightlands.

[Maconbar]

From my viewpoint the DA:O ogre at normal was slightly tougher than the demo ogre. I saw many complaints last night on the boards saying the demo ogre was too hard.

[astrallite]

The Ogre looked better in DA. In DA2 it looks like he has down syndrome.

[Arisato]

I stood there and tanked it like i did with the one in the tower. In Origins on Normal you can easily stand there and tank it you just have to be ready to stun and heal your tank when they get grabbed with me i'll admit it was abit easier for me first time cause i had me a Warrior tank, Alistair and the Tower Guard but i only ever felt the need to kite that Ogre in Nightmare.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Maconbar wrote...

From my viewpoint the DA:O ogre at normal was slightly tougher than the demo ogre. I saw many complaints last night on the boards saying the demo ogre was too hard.

There are people who thought Tetris was hard. Obviously the human population varies greatly in what they consider hard. 

[Zabaniya]

The reason why Ogre is harder in Origins was because of how combat worked. DA2, you can actually avoid its attacks and your skills' damage have been changed to hit harder.



Now, for Nightmare mode, I think DA2 will be harder because of the swarming waves of Darkspawn constantly adding on additional damage, especially with the huge cooldown on heal and the limited usage of health potions.

[JamesX]

astrallite wrote...

The Ogre looked better in DA. In DA2 it looks like he has down syndrome.

+1, I think it is the flat face.

[Arisato]

I stood there and tanked it like i did with the one in the tower but that planned failed cause i missed most of the health polduces and had to kite it, still would of been able to do it if i had of grabbed them all.

In Origins on Normal you can easily stand there and tank it you just have to be ready to stun and heal your tank when they get grabbed with me i'll admit it was abit easier for me first time cause i had me a Warrior tank, Alistair and the Tower Guard but i only ever felt the need to kite that Ogre in Nightmare.

Modifié par Arisato, 23 février 2011 - 11:59 .

[sonsonthebia07]

Keep in mind that the ogre fight may not be identical in the full game to the one we had in the demo.



Honestly, I never played DA:O on Normal, so I can't make the comparison. I switched to Nightmare early on as I desired more of a challenge. The ogre in the demo was easier than the one in Origins on Nightmare but only because it lacked the Overwhelm (grab, w/e) ability. It was rather easy to kite also, the charge attack was simple to dodge in the demo - unlike in Origins, where it hit you even if you were 100 miles away from it.

[AlexXIV]

Well in DA:O you were level 5 or 6 I think, in DA2 I think 2 or 3. That makes the Ogre of DA2 sort of a wuss. Also 2 Grey Wardens killed the Ogre in DA:O and not some refugees. The only painful thing about the DA2 ogre is that it kills a family member, and the wrong one at that.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 24 février 2011 - 12:01 .

[drahelvete]

I think they've said that Easy and Normal will be easier than in DA:O, Hard and Nightmare will be harder (especially Nightmare, the only difficulty with friendly fire, is supposed to be nigh impossible if you believe the devs).

And, as Kopawapatezi said, the ogre was a prologue boss.

[Lennonkun]

It's looking like DA:Os Normal = DA2 Hard



Which is stupid.



Also, difficulty on the demo is locked since we are too stupid we may accidentally make the game too difficult and complain about the difficulty... haha.

[Maconbar]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

From my viewpoint the DA:O ogre at normal was slightly tougher than the demo ogre. I saw many complaints last night on the boards saying the demo ogre was too hard.

There are people who thought Tetris was hard. Obviously the human population varies greatly in what they consider hard. 

Gotta admit that I am not that great on Tetris or any other speed puzzle type games.

[Purgatious]

Throw three more into the mix and we can really get the party started.

[Aran Linvail]

Dao Ogre , in that fight i actually have to think , in the demo i spend 5 minutes looking Aveline stab the ogre to death holding her shield over her head ....

[Hellosanta]

Wow ... I had to issue orders manually and to use at least one health portion to make all my party members to survive in DA2 demo. How did you manage to do nothing and defeat the Ogre without losing anyone? ... I'm very impressed.

Anyway, you need to consider about that you are already experienced in defeating Ogre & darkspawns due to playing DAO. That may be the reason why DA2 has been felt so easy to you.

[Aussenseiter]

While I certainly remember having a harder time with that first ogre in Origins; it was also significantly harder for me than any of the fights against the dragons in the game. I don't think it was intentional for that fight to be even half as hard as it was.



Didn't they actually patch it so that the difficulty was lowered at some point?

[Saibh]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well in DA:O you were level 5 or 6 I think, in DA;O I think 2 or 3. That makes the Ogre of DA2 sort of a wuss. Also 2 Grey Wardens killed the Ogre in DA:O and not some refugees. The only painful thing about the DA2 ogre is that it kills a family member, and the wrong one at that.

Again, that's not a proper comparison. Early bosses are easier than later bosses. Early enemies are weaker. How the enemies are scaled varies as well--the ogre was meant to be your first big boss in DAO, so he is much more powerful than any other ogre you'll meet in the game. The ogre in DAII is prologue-level, and I doubt is supposed to be your first big boss.