Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...
Dao Ogre , in that fight i actually have to think , in the demo i spend 5 minutes looking Aveline stab the ogre to death holding her shield over her head ....
Modifié par Beaner28, 24 février 2011 - 12:05 .
Modifié par Purgatious, 24 février 2011 - 12:06 .
Well it was easier anyway. I remember in DA:O I couldn't beat him first time. Took me a couple of tries. But in the demo I never even was in danger of losing it. Well I lose carver maybe because I screw up, but the ogre is still an easy kill for two or even only one.Saibh wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Well in DA:O you were level 5 or 6 I think, in DA;O I think 2 or 3. That makes the Ogre of DA2 sort of a wuss. Also 2 Grey Wardens killed the Ogre in DA:O and not some refugees. The only painful thing about the DA2 ogre is that it kills a family member, and the wrong one at that.
Again, that's not a proper comparison. Early bosses are easier than later bosses. Early enemies are weaker. How the enemies are scaled varies as well--the ogre was meant to be your first big boss in DAO, so he is much more powerful than any other ogre you'll meet in the game. The ogre in DAII is prologue-level, and I doubt is supposed to be your first big boss.
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kingjezza wrote...
Firstly I would like to point out these are my personal opinions, I'm not stating them as fact and I'm not a troll simply because I might have a negative opinion about DA2.
My first play through on Origins was on normal so I though both games early fights with an Ogre were comparable, both fights come early on and seem like an intro to a tougher fight, although you have other Darkspawn in DA2 to think about as well.
Dragon age Origins, that Ogre kicked my ass so many times before I got the better of it, noway I could just stand in front of it and just hope for the best, I had to make sure I positioned my party in the right places, set them up properly and continually use tactics during the whole fight, my party were never just kept still, it took some thought to beat this ogre.
Compared to Dragon Age 2, with one less party member and extra darkspawn to deal with compared to the DAO ogre, me (warrior S&S) and Aveline basically just stood in front of it hacking at it as much as possible as Bethany stood in the distance firing at it, not once did I move a party member or do anything with them, I didn't think about the fight at all really, I just let them hack away at the ogre and randomly clicked the special abilties with little thought, it basically came down to who could survive the huge hack fest the longest.
I was wondering what experiences others might have had with the two early game ogres?
She can only solo it if you got her the Stonewall Ability (whichever ability that let her gain damage immunity for a while). I didn't do it the first time I ran through. It was a VERY different result. It is even easier once you use Heroic Aura (healing tree)kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...
Dao Ogre , in that fight i actually have to think , in the demo i spend 5 minutes looking Aveline stab the ogre to death holding her shield over her head ....
It does make me /boggle at the amount of people who couldn't beat it since she can solo it.
Yeah DW Rogue is a lot harderDarkhour wrote...
Play as a dw rogue and solo it. It's fairly challenging.
... archery, however....
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kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...
Dao Ogre , in that fight i actually have to think , in the demo i spend 5 minutes looking Aveline stab the ogre to death holding her shield over her head ....
It does make me /boggle at the amount of people who couldn't beat it since she can solo it.
Darkhour wrote...
kingjezza wrote...
Firstly I would like to point out these are my personal opinions, I'm not stating them as fact and I'm not a troll simply because I might have a negative opinion about DA2.
My first play through on Origins was on normal so I though both games early fights with an Ogre were comparable, both fights come early on and seem like an intro to a tougher fight, although you have other Darkspawn in DA2 to think about as well.
Dragon age Origins, that Ogre kicked my ass so many times before I got the better of it, noway I could just stand in front of it and just hope for the best, I had to make sure I positioned my party in the right places, set them up properly and continually use tactics during the whole fight, my party were never just kept still, it took some thought to beat this ogre.
Compared to Dragon Age 2, with one less party member and extra darkspawn to deal with compared to the DAO ogre, me (warrior S&S) and Aveline basically just stood in front of it hacking at it as much as possible as Bethany stood in the distance firing at it, not once did I move a party member or do anything with them, I didn't think about the fight at all really, I just let them hack away at the ogre and randomly clicked the special abilties with little thought, it basically came down to who could survive the huge hack fest the longest.
I was wondering what experiences others might have had with the two early game ogres?
Play as a dw rogue and solo it. It's fairly challenging.
Warriors, 2-handers especially, are overpowered in DA2. DW Rogues are quite pathetic really. Their single target damage is no greater than the 2-hander's AOE damage. I guess they have to earn their lockpicking now by sucking at everything else.
Although I have to wonder if that ogre had all it's moves. Only once has it ever done its charge attack, it never knocked anyone down, nor picked them up. I have to wonder if that fight contained a finished ogre.
Well if you find the button for potions she can handle the beating, and solo it ... and you could just kite. There is not really an alternative explaination to those who could not do it even after a couple of tries are really, really bad at it.sonsonthebia07 wrote...
kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...
Dao Ogre , in that fight i actually have to think , in the demo i spend 5 minutes looking Aveline stab the ogre to death holding her shield over her head ....
It does make me /boggle at the amount of people who couldn't beat it since she can solo it.
Well to be fair, I did what I could to keep my other party members from hitting the darkspawn and had Aveline taunt a bunch on her to test it a bit. She starts to take a beating with a horde on her. I would assume people were getting overwhelmed because of the lack of AoE depening on your class choice.
AlexXIV wrote...
Well it was easier anyway. I remember in DA:O I couldn't beat him first time. Took me a couple of tries. But in the demo I never even was in danger of losing it. Well I lose carver maybe because I screw up, but the ogre is still an easy kill for two or even only one.Saibh wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Well in DA:O you were level 5 or 6 I think, in DA;O I think 2 or 3. That makes the Ogre of DA2 sort of a wuss. Also 2 Grey Wardens killed the Ogre in DA:O and not some refugees. The only painful thing about the DA2 ogre is that it kills a family member, and the wrong one at that.
Again, that's not a proper comparison. Early bosses are easier than later bosses. Early enemies are weaker. How the enemies are scaled varies as well--the ogre was meant to be your first big boss in DAO, so he is much more powerful than any other ogre you'll meet in the game. The ogre in DAII is prologue-level, and I doubt is supposed to be your first big boss.
Purgatious wrote...
The time you'd face the orge in DA:2 is much sooner then you'd face one in origins,
therefore any and all comparisons are hereby declared void.
Yup -- that's how I looked at it as well.Saibh wrote...
This is not a proper comparison--in DAO, you would have gone through the Origin, the Korcari Wilds, and then through the Tower of Ishal.
In DAII, you only just reach the end of the Blightlands.
Strange enough... did you know you cannot constantly chuck potions?AlexXIV wrote...
Well if you find the button for potions she can handle the beating, and solo it ... and you could just kite. There is not really an alternative explaination to those who could not do it even after a couple of tries are really, really bad at it.
I tried that and there seems to be a delay between when you can drink potions. (Either that or it was disrupted 3x in a row on both Carver and The Tank Girl). Lost Carver because of it.
But ... the thread title dictates ...Saibh wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Well it was easier anyway. I remember in DA:O I couldn't beat him first time. Took me a couple of tries. But in the demo I never even was in danger of losing it. Well I lose carver maybe because I screw up, but the ogre is still an easy kill for two or even only one.Saibh wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
Well in DA:O you were level 5 or 6 I think, in DA;O I think 2 or 3. That makes the Ogre of DA2 sort of a wuss. Also 2 Grey Wardens killed the Ogre in DA:O and not some refugees. The only painful thing about the DA2 ogre is that it kills a family member, and the wrong one at that.
Again, that's not a proper comparison. Early bosses are easier than later bosses. Early enemies are weaker. How the enemies are scaled varies as well--the ogre was meant to be your first big boss in DAO, so he is much more powerful than any other ogre you'll meet in the game. The ogre in DAII is prologue-level, and I doubt is supposed to be your first big boss.
In DAO, you fight him after your Origins, after the Korcari Wilds, and then at the end of the Tower of Ishal.
In DAII, you fight him at the end of the prologue.
So, no, the two cannot be compared. It's like me comparing the battle against Trian versus the battle against the Ogre.
Honeslty I didn't know and reason is simple, I never took one. It is an old habit to rather die than use potions. I am sort of a hoarder. I rather replay a couple of times and not use potions than use one and survive.JamesX wrote...
Strange enough... did you know you cannot constantly chuck potions?AlexXIV wrote...
Well if you find the button for potions she can handle the beating, and solo it ... and you could just kite. There is not really an alternative explaination to those who could not do it even after a couple of tries are really, really bad at it.
Purgatious wrote...
Darkhour wrote...
kingjezza wrote...
Firstly I would like to point out these are my personal opinions, I'm not stating them as fact and I'm not a troll simply because I might have a negative opinion about DA2.
My first play through on Origins was on normal so I though both games early fights with an Ogre were comparable, both fights come early on and seem like an intro to a tougher fight, although you have other Darkspawn in DA2 to think about as well.
Dragon age Origins, that Ogre kicked my ass so many times before I got the better of it, noway I could just stand in front of it and just hope for the best, I had to make sure I positioned my party in the right places, set them up properly and continually use tactics during the whole fight, my party were never just kept still, it took some thought to beat this ogre.
Compared to Dragon Age 2, with one less party member and extra darkspawn to deal with compared to the DAO ogre, me (warrior S&S) and Aveline basically just stood in front of it hacking at it as much as possible as Bethany stood in the distance firing at it, not once did I move a party member or do anything with them, I didn't think about the fight at all really, I just let them hack away at the ogre and randomly clicked the special abilties with little thought, it basically came down to who could survive the huge hack fest the longest.
I was wondering what experiences others might have had with the two early game ogres?
Play as a dw rogue and solo it. It's fairly challenging.
Warriors, 2-handers especially, are overpowered in DA2. DW Rogues are quite pathetic really. Their single target damage is no greater than the 2-hander's AOE damage. I guess they have to earn their lockpicking now by sucking at everything else.
Although I have to wonder if that ogre had all it's moves. Only once has it ever done its charge attack, it never knocked anyone down, nor picked them up. I have to wonder if that fight contained a finished ogre.
Already declaring rogues suck and 2h'der is overpowered.
Tell me, you spend much time on the streets with a sign draped over your shoulders?
Siradix wrote...
Purgatious wrote...
The time you'd face the orge in DA:2 is much sooner then you'd face one in origins,
therefore any and all comparisons are hereby declared void.
Enemy difficulties are scaled, it shouldn't matter when you face the ogre.
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