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[Mustang678]

It's interesting how they can completely ignore ninja's posts and keep repeating themselves as if saying it multiple times makes them correct

[wayne.lennon]

NinjaMarion wrote...

There's absolutely no text on the back of the game boxes or mention in previews and specs and whatnot saying "This game only works properly in HD" or something to the effect, like there would be with cassette tapes (by virtue of the fact things that don't work with it, like CDs, don't fit in it and are different products altogether).

The game boxes for Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age: Awakenings both indicated that they were designed for 720p (HD) resolutions. There is no reason to assume that Dragon Age II 's requirements would be any lower. In fact, nowhere in my Dragon Age documentation does it indicate that DAO or DAA does work with lower displays; I certainly wouldn't expect the same full experience playing it on a 480i display as playing it in 720p.

[PSUHammer]

uzivatel wrote...

Re-downloading the demo just to see how bad it is in PAL resolution.

As for the HDTV market penetration - I dont own HDTV, yet I get to enjoy my console games in glorious HD thanks to my 1680 x 1050 LCD monitor...

That's a great point that I have been trying to make, as well.  Just bought my inlaws a used widescreen LCD dirt cheap and they barely ever sit at their PC.  Told my father in law to hook it up to his cable box, and, what do you know!  HDTV.

Anyway, I think everyone can agree that a text scaler or option would be welcomed.  I want one for the PC for other reasons, the text was actually too small on high resolutions in DAO...i.e. you couldn't read the Codex.  It was fine on a console as if you only run in 720p resolution, the text boxs and fonts were much larger.  This is partly why I love gaming on a PC...you can get mods.  There was an awesome UI mod that allowed you to set the fonts to different parts of Origins to whatever you want, whether it was the Journal, subtitles, whatever.  So it is possible.

We are going to get to a point where game developers will not cater to SDTV owners.  It appears it is already happening with ME2 and now DA2.  So, it should start some folks into looking at an upgrade or risk not being able to play some major titles.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 01 mars 2011 - 09:20 .

[killswitch423]

Note: I am in the US.

If I can afford to save up a little bit and get a 29" HDTV (LED 1080p at that), on a part-time minimum wage ($7.55/hr in my state) with a $675/mo rent payment, so can most people. I realized games were being optimized for HD back when Fable 2 came out and I couldn't read it very well.

And to take another look at the statistics... 65% of US households have an HDTV? Well, that's a clear majority. However, we need more information to present these stats as evidence for EITHER side. For example, how many of those 65% are used for gaming? What % have more than one HDTV?

In my own personal experience, and the experience of many of my gamer friends around the world, HD is considered the current standard.

About the cassette-to-CD analogy being invalid, well... Yes, old cassettes still worked after CDs became standard. But did new music come out on cassette? No. It came out on CD. New games are being optimized for HD, just like new music was when CDs came about.

Trust me, I know the pain of SDTV gaming. It sucks. You know what? I figured out how to better my own position instead of making others change how things work for my own needs. Again, I am definitely on the low-income side of things so don't you dare go saying that I'm well off.

Edit: For the record, I do support a variable text size option.  I just doubt it's a priority for BW.

Modifié par N7_killswitch, 01 mars 2011 - 09:22 .

[PSUHammer]

N7_killswitch....FTW

[NinjaMarion]

yuncas wrote...

NinjaMarion wrote...

yuncas wrote...

NinjaMarion wrote...

Well that certainly sucks if true. Although the one thing I'd like to know is, how would fan feedback determine if this is fixed after release when it was impossible to fix for ME2?

Keep in mind I'm no tech junkie but possibly because DA2 was built differently than ME2.

Feasibly, but then opens a whole other can of worms: Ok, so we'll say they designed DA2 in a way that it will be patchable for text fix. With ME2, we were told MS limits patches to 4mb and patching all the text in the game would be impossible under that restriction, blah, blah, blah. So, let's say they did change its implementation in DA2 to be patchable somehow. That would mean that they foresaw this being an issue (Which yes, they really should have due to the ME2 feedback), but then decided rather than just to make it work right from get-go, they would change the design entirely to allow them to EVENTUALLY fix it if the need arose. Now, not only would that probably entail more work than just starting with a slightly larger font size, it's a pretty insane thing to do either way. It just seems suspect and that we're getting a "we can fix it if the fans demand it" just to shut us up about it with no actual plans to ever do so.

Come on now. There's no need to start going down the lazy/conspiracy path of thinking. 
 

It's not conspiracy theorizing. They stated due to MS restrictions, it was IMPOSSIBLE to patch the text in ME2. They now have said that if fan feedback warrants it, they'll fix it in DA2. This means that in order for it to somehow be possible in DA2 where it wasn't in ME2, they had to fundamentally change the way the font / text was done. The only reason you would suddenly do that is if you envision having to eventually patch the text. Otherwise, they would have just done it how they've been doing it which was somehow "impossible" to fix.


And for ****s sake! Why the hell are you people still arguing with me on HD use when A: I've given numbers to back up my statements at every turn versus "Everyone I know has an HDTV" or "My missus' grandma has one", and B: (And this one is the most important) WE HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE IN THESE TWO THREADS THAT HAVE ****ING PROBLEMS READING THESE ON HD TVS! WHETHER OR NOT YOU USE AN SDTV IS ACTUALLY PARTLY IRRELEVANT TO THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION SINCE PLENTY OF HD USERS ARE FINDING IT TOO SMALL!!!

I've proven my points every step of the way, but regardless, that giant bold fact above is something no amount of you people whining that HD's the standard can try to argue away.

[killswitch423]

I gave a valid reason why your statistics are unreliable for this discussion, yet you decide to ignore them. Again, no problem from me about wanting a slider. Just stop getting aggressive towards those who think it's not the greatest issue to dedicate resources towards.

Good day.

Edit:  Especially when your facts actually show that a majority actually do own HDTVs.

Modifié par N7_killswitch, 01 mars 2011 - 10:04 .

[NinjaMarion]

N7_killswitch wrote...

I gave a valid reason why your statistics are unreliable for this discussion, yet you decide to ignore them. Again, no problem from me about wanting a slider. Just stop getting aggressive towards those who think it's not the greatest issue to dedicate resources towards.

Good day.

Edit:  Especially when your facts actually show that a majority actually do own HDTVs.

No they don't. I've argued at least 5 times in this thread WHY they don't. I ignored them because they've already been addressed. 65% of houses with one HDTV or more does not equal 65% of TVs are HD. The most I've shown is that a minimum of 12-35% of the TVs in the US are SD, with it strongly leaning towards more. I never claimed "the majority" owned SDTVs. But when you say HDTVs are the standard and "Wait, people still use SDTVs?", you need to prove not just a majority, but pretty much unanimous use. My figures have shown that there's quite a bit of SDTVs still in use, if not room for doubt that SD use could even be upwards of 50% or more of the TVs in use (Again, 65% of houses with ONE HDTV does not mean 65% of TVs are HD. If half of those houses have one HD and one SDTV, then SDTV usage would actually be around 66%. My home has 4 SDTVs and 2 HD, so it's entirely possible for houses to have quite a few more SDTVs than HDTVs and drive that share of the 65% even lower).

All I've done is cast doubt on you people's assertion that almost everyone has an HDTV. The burden of proof would actually be on the people insisting HDTVs are the normal and almost everyone has them. My figures just show you're almost assuredly wrong, along with properly reasoned theories that you're probably quite a bit more wrong than you think.

But I'll state it once again to drive the point home: NONE OF THAT REALLY MATTERS TO THE TOPIC AT HAND AS HDTV USERS ARE ALSO HAVING PROBLEMS, SO THEREFORE IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL ON SDTVS SINCE THEY HAVE A CHANCE OF STILL NOT BEING ABLE TO READ IT EVEN IF THEY DID BLOW HUNDREDS FOR A SHINY, NEW HDTV! THE TEXT IS TOO SMALL!

[killswitch423]

If 65% of households in America own a HDTV, 65% of households have access to one. Whether those households also have a SDTV is irrelevant. I don't see how you can't get that 65% of households having an HDTV means that 65% of households can use one. It doesn't matter how many SDTVs are in those households because people who care about the way their games look will be playing on the HDTV, but the statistic you've brought up don't say what those HDTVs are used for so neither of us can prove or disprove that point.

Also, using bolded caps doesn't make your argument any stronger.

[NinjaMarion]

N7_killswitch wrote...

If 65% of households in America own a HDTV, 65% of households have access to one. Whether those households also have a SDTV is irrelevant. I don't see how you can't get that 65% of households having an HDTV means that 65% of households can use one. It doesn't matter how many SDTVs are in those households because people who care about the way their games look will be playing on the HDTV, but the statistic you've brought up don't say what those HDTVs are used for so neither of us can prove or disprove that point.

Also, using bolded caps doesn't make your argument any stronger.

Oh, yes. You're totally right. Because one's brother, parents, whatever, have an HDTV in their room, it totally means you have access to it. That's how things work. If one person has the thing, all people do. I also forgot most people love lugging TVs or consoles around the house to play on the HDTV, which is always open and available to play on even if other people are watching TV.

Besides, again, it's irrelevant how many of those HDTVs are being used for videogaming. That figure still would prove that SDs aren't in as huge a decline as you people keep insisting. Stop moving the goalposts. You didn't say "Everyone games on HD", you people said "HD is the standard" / "Everyone I know only has HD". I've proven that you guys are pretty wrong about that and now you want to insist that it doesn't matter because as long as there's one HDTV in the house, they can play their games on it (NOT even remotely universally true, but beside the point). Pick a point and stick with it. I've shown two different sets of numbers that showed a minimum of about 35% of users still having SDTVs at minimum. I've also pointed out the many posts from HD users having difficulty with the text. In no way have you been correct in this thread at all. But if you'd like to suddenly push this "all the stats and everything is meaningless because if even one HDTV exists, everyone has HD" thing, I'll gladly point out why you're wrong yet again.

[wayne.lennon]

Like it or not, HDTV is the standard. It is the standard because not only do electronics stores only sell HDTVs (you'll be hard-pressed to find an SDTV at Best Buy), and manufacturers only make HD sets, but also all the current TV programming, movies, and even video games are optimized for HDTVs.

Anyone who does have an SDTV these days, is using it because it's a TV they've owned for several years, and they haven't needed to replace it yet. When it is eventually replaced, it will be an HDTV simply because no manufacturer makes SD sets anymore, because they're no longer the standard.

[Lazy Murph]

NinjaMarion wrote...

Old Fecker wrote...

I wonder if you had the same issue when cassette's got phased out in favour of CD's / VHS got phased out in favour of DVD?

It's not the same thing. When CDs came in favor, all the audio tapes you owned still worked. Any NEW tapes that came out that you bought still worked with your cassette player. The only thing was that more and more stuff began only being released CDs while less and less came to tapes. Now with this, despite my 360 works with my SDTV and 99% of the games work, a developer can suddenly decide to needlessly use tiny text (And in this case, it IS too small, as even HD users, on that "standard" of tech that people are saying it's our fault for not having yet, are having trouble reading the text!) and make it not work. There's absolutely no text on the back of the game boxes or mention in previews and specs and whatnot saying "This game only works properly in HD" or something to the effect, like there would be with cassette tapes (by virtue of the fact things that don't work with it, like CDs, don't fit in it and are different products altogether).

You're wrong though. When CD's became the standard technology for music (and when DVD's became the standard for video) new media stopped being produced on cassette and VHS - making it impossible to utilize the 'new' stuff on 'old' tech - much in the same way that a game optimized for HD is pretty much unusable on SD tech.

You bang on and on and on about your stats and percentages, getting worked up about it as everyone doesn't agree with your point of view but as soon as someone points out something that is right, you ignore the point or dismiss it entirely. N7_killswitch said exactly what I've just said, yet you ignored their post...funny that.

Why is your opinion the right one just because you won't (or can't) upgrade to a HD set?

Off to work now to earn money, it's nearly 4am btw...gonna think how to spend the vast wealth NinjaMarion claims I have....

Modifié par Old Fecker, 02 mars 2011 - 03:59 .

[NinjaMarion]

Old Fecker wrote...

NinjaMarion wrote...

Old Fecker wrote...

I wonder if you had the same issue when cassette's got phased out in favour of CD's / VHS got phased out in favour of DVD?

It's not the same thing. When CDs came in favor, all the audio tapes you owned still worked. Any NEW tapes that came out that you bought still worked with your cassette player. The only thing was that more and more stuff began only being released CDs while less and less came to tapes. Now with this, despite my 360 works with my SDTV and 99% of the games work, a developer can suddenly decide to needlessly use tiny text (And in this case, it IS too small, as even HD users, on that "standard" of tech that people are saying it's our fault for not having yet, are having trouble reading the text!) and make it not work. There's absolutely no text on the back of the game boxes or mention in previews and specs and whatnot saying "This game only works properly in HD" or something to the effect, like there would be with cassette tapes (by virtue of the fact things that don't work with it, like CDs, don't fit in it and are different products altogether).

You're wrong though. When CD's became the standard technology for music (and when DVD's became the standard for video) new media stopped being produced on cassette and VHS - making it impossible to utilize the 'new' stuff on 'old' tech - much in the same way that a game optimized for HD is pretty much unusable on SD tech.

You bang on and on and on about your stats and percentages, getting worked up about it as everyone doesn't agree with your point of view but as soon as someone points out something that is right, you ignore the point or dismiss it entirely. N7_killswitch said exactly what I've just said, yet you ignored their post...funny that.

Why is your opinion the right one just because you won't (or can't) upgrade to a HD set?

Off to work now to earn money, it's nearly 4am btw...gonna think how to spend the vast wealth NinjaMarion claims I have....

No. No, no, no. How do you still not get this? When tapes switched over to CDs, any NEW tapes you bought would still work. Just like with your SD compatible Xbox, any NEW games you buy until the next HD-only Xbox, should still be playable on your SDTV. THAT is a valid comparison, and is not the case here. There's never been a case where the old tech just suddenly wasn't good enough even though media was still coming out on a format it could use. Even with the switch from B&W to color, you could still use the TV. Much like with 99% of HD stuff, you just didn't get as pretty a picture, but it was still functional. This tiny-text, unusable by SDTV garbage is NOT the norm.

You keep talking about me ignoring things, but you people are the ones making all these baseless claims. You're claiming HDTVs are the norm and the only thing people use nowadays. I show that there's anywhere from 12-35+% using SDTVs still and you say that somehow proves your point that everyone's using HD now. You compare it to other outdated tech and claim it's just the same. I point out how never before has your current stuff just stopped functionally using things released in a format it can use. I've pointed out actual figures versus you people's baseless claims of "my gramma has one so everyone must!" and you idiots claim they're not good enough numbers. You know what? Screw you. You start actually providing facts and proper arguments rather than being trolling retards. The burden of proof is on you idiots making these claims. If you want to claim HD is universally adopted and all media produced for it, prove it, because you can't because it's not. Until then, I'm ignoring the garbage that comprises the bulk of your posts, but feel free to keep responding anyway and bumping this thread. That'd be appreciated.

[samurai crusade]

It has nothing to do with the gaming industry, the problem is found everywhere. As the proud owner of both an HDTV and a Standard I can say that watching TV sucks on SD. TV networks since the digital switch leave me with words cropped out of the screen, etc. But I'd rather watch on full screen than letterbox my settings and make my picture smaller. That said. I love my HD. Games are absolutley amazing visually with the upgrade.

[hamlin69]

hd is the standard

Not being able to afford a hdtv shouldn't even be an excuse anymore. They are not even expensive. If you can't save up 200-300$ in a year  you need some financial help.

Modifié par hamlin69, 02 mars 2011 - 02:37 .

[Stinkface27]

It doesn't really matter at all how many people do or do not have HDTVs, people.

If there were a toggle in the options menu for text Normal and Large, everyone would win. HDTV-owners and owners of exceptional genetics could bask in their glorious superiority and leave everything at default, while us lowly plebs at the bottom rungs of existence would still be able to enjoy the game we paid the same amount of money for as you did.

[uzivatel]

NinjaMarion wrote...

No. No, no, no. How do you still not get this? When tapes switched over to CDs, any NEW tapes you bought would still work. Just like with your SD compatible Xbox, any NEW games you buy until the next HD-only Xbox, should still be playable on your SDTV. THAT is a valid comparison, and is not the case here. There's never been a case where the old tech just suddenly wasn't good enough even though media was still coming out on a format it could use. Even with the switch from B&W to color, you could still use the TV. Much like with 99% of HD stuff, you just didn't get as pretty a picture, but it was still functional. This tiny-text, unusable by SDTV garbage is NOT the norm.

The game does work on your SDTV. Sure, the experience is sub-optimal, but thats to be expected. Its like playing game on minimum requirements computer - you may be able to play it, but the experience wont be very good.
Then again, at least it does work, try playing many modern games on 50Hz-only TV.

You keep talking about me ignoring things, but you people are the ones making all these baseless claims. You're claiming HDTVs are the norm and the only thing people use nowadays. I show that there's anywhere from 12-35+% using SDTVs still and you say that somehow proves your point that everyone's using HD now.

You guys are completely ignoring people with no TV. How are they meant to play DA2? They wont see any text at all!

Modifié par uzivatel, 02 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[mikeburns]

uzivatel wrote...You guys are completely ignoring people with no TV. How are they meant to play DA2? They wont see any text at all!

LOL!

I don't mean to be offensive, but I feel like this is the most important point of this whole argument.

Whining about "the text size is too small on SDTVs" is pointless. It was years ago for Dead Rising and it is now for Drgaon Age.

It's the same as complaining about the fact that you can't play Dragon Age on an Xbox or a Playstation 2 or a 10 year old PC.

It's 2011, HDTV is the standard. As has been said already, you can't even buy an SDTV anymore. If the text is too small, buy a new TV or monitor. Like the other poster said, even not making a lot of money and paying other bills, getting a cheap ($250 for a 32") is not something that is out of reach for nearly anyone. If you have money to buy Dragon Age and an Xbox or capabale gaming rig, you should be able to afford a decent TV or monitor. That's not elitist, it's just true.

A working, capable adult should have no issue getting a TV/monitor that is large and high enough resolution for the text to display properly.  And if you're under 18 and not an adult you shouldn't be playing anyway, it's rated M.

I'd rather Bioware work on more DLC to keep us playing longer.

[Crystalgazer]

I think you "OMG go buy a HDTV your so stupid!!!1!" people are missing a few important points:

1) There have been people on this thread and the other one that have said that even on their HDTV the text is a pain to read. My main gaming TV is SDTV, but we do have a 50" Sony HDTV in the family room, and after sneaking in and playing a few mins of the demo on it, the text is stupidly small there too. It's readable, sure, but not comfortably, and there's no reason for the text to be that small.
2) There is no place, on any website or press release or anything that I've seen that specifies that you need an HDTV to play Dragon Age II. And 'it goes without saying' or 'it's the mainstream' is crap; they still specify that you need at least 1GB of ram on PC to run the game, when it's a safe bet most gamers wouldn't have anything less than 2GB, and that you'll need at least Windows XP so the 10 people still running Windows 98 know that this game isn't for them. If we truly needed a HDTV Bioware should have specified it, so we'd know not to have anything to do with the game beforehand. As they have not specified that an HDTV is needed, it's reasonable to expect that we'd be able to at least read the goddamn text on any TV we choose, and if we can't, that the onus is on Bioware to fix it.
3) In regards to 'suboptimal' gaming experiences, I'm sure that even if you're playing on the PC on the absolute minimum requirements you'll still be able to read the text, from the lack of complaints from PC players here, and from my experience playing PC games. Not being able to read text in a dialogue and plot heavy RPG game, which includes navigating inventories and stats, is not a suboptimal experience; it's simply unplayable.

Then again, I'm pretty sure all the Bioware sycophants will continue to bend over backwards defending them, up to and including being as unspeakably rude as to question how people are managing their finances because they don't have an HDTV. I've also seen visually impaired and hearing impaired people's concerns with the text brushed off in favour of mindlessly defending Bioware, which is beyond belief. Is it really so hard to admit this company's made a mistake, it's causing undue discomfort to their customers and they should fix it?

Modifié par Crystalgazer, 02 mars 2011 - 02:51 .

[NinjaMarion]

uzivatel wrote...

NinjaMarion wrote...

No. No, no, no. How do you still not get this? When tapes switched over to CDs, any NEW tapes you bought would still work. Just like with your SD compatible Xbox, any NEW games you buy until the next HD-only Xbox, should still be playable on your SDTV. THAT is a valid comparison, and is not the case here. There's never been a case where the old tech just suddenly wasn't good enough even though media was still coming out on a format it could use. Even with the switch from B&W to color, you could still use the TV. Much like with 99% of HD stuff, you just didn't get as pretty a picture, but it was still functional. This tiny-text, unusable by SDTV garbage is NOT the norm.

The game does work on your SDTV. Sure, the experience is sub-optimal, but thats to be expected. Its like playing game on minimum requirements computer - you may be able to play it, but the experience wont be very good.
Then again, at least it does work, try playing many modern games on 50Hz-only TV.

No. A text-heavy RPG with menus that require reading to level up, compare and equip items, etc. where the text is unreadable does not "work". Sure, it boots up, but it's unplayable. It's nearly impossible to coherently go through an entire game like that while actually understanding what you're doing and making proper choices. Considering games are made to be played, and not just intended to turn on and sit there, that effectively makes this, as one of only about four Xbox 360 games to be this way, not working. Unplayable. Nonfunctioning. It is effectively a crappy $60 paperweight for anyone with an SDTV that buys it, and until yesterday, an entire week after the demo and barely a week before it comes out, we didn't even have confirmation of that fact to know that we DO have to cancel preorders so we don't waste our money.

uzivatel wrote...

You keep talking about me ignoring things, but you people are the ones making all these baseless claims. You're claiming HDTVs are the norm and the only thing people use nowadays. I show that there's anywhere from 12-35+% using SDTVs still and you say that somehow proves your point that everyone's using HD now.

You guys are completely ignoring people with no TV. How are they meant to play DA2? They wont see any text at all!

Excellent logical fallicy, bro! People with no TV aren't going to be gaming. People with an SDTV, that works for 99.9% of the entire XBox 360 library, kinda have an expectation of being able to play an Xbox 360 game.

[mikeburns]

You hardly have to be a "Bioware sycophant" to defend them in this matter. I have plenty of personal beef with Bioware (specifically over the lack of same-sex romance in the Mass Effect series and the now "Mass-Effecting" of Dragon Age) but this same issue (that of text size on SDTVs) has been brought up in numerous places for numerous games since the dawn of HD game systems.

Xbox 360 and PS3 were designed for HDTV use. Period. I'm sorry that not everyone likes this.The fact that it works on an SDTV doesn't change that. Like a Blu Ray player. You can hook it up to an SDTV and watch a Blu Ray on it, but that's not what it's designed for.

And if the issue relates to a visual impairment, then play on PC where it's easier to read. That's not cold. Being deaf, I wouldn't play a game that didn't have subtitles or relied on sound. That doesn't mean I'd expect every game developer to make every game playable for the hearing impaired. An example that comes to mind is the sound neccesary puzzle in Prince of Persia. Should they have taken that out since I can't hear it? No.

If you can't read the text, get an HDTV, play it on PC, or don't play it.

[NinjaMarion]

c0wb0ycliche wrote...

You hardly have to be a "Bioware sycophant" to defend them in this matter. I have plenty of personal beef with Bioware (specifically over the lack of same-sex romance in the Mass Effect series and the now "Mass-Effecting" of Dragon Age) but this same issue (that of text size on SDTVs) has been brought up in numerous places for numerous games since the dawn of HD game systems.

Xbox 360 and PS3 were designed for HDTV use. Period. I'm sorry that not everyone likes this.The fact that it works on an SDTV doesn't change that. Like a Blu Ray player. You can hook it up to an SDTV and watch a Blu Ray on it, but that's not what it's designed for.

And if the issue relates to a visual impairment, then play on PC where it's easier to read. That's not cold. Being deaf, I wouldn't play a game that didn't have subtitles or relied on sound. That doesn't mean I'd expect every game developer to make every game playable for the hearing impaired. An example that comes to mind is the sound neccesary puzzle in Prince of Persia. Should they have taken that out since I can't hear it? No.

If you can't read the text, get an HDTV, play it on PC, or don't play it.

No, you pretty much do have to be a BioWare sycophant. Here's the breakdown: 

Text in DA:O Readable. No complaints.

Text in ME2: Tiny and hard to read. Lots of complaints. BioWare claims they're listening and will look into fixing. Says it's impossible to fix.

Text in DA2: Tinier and nearly impossible to read. Still lots of complaints. BioWare outright ignored the fact a large enough portion of their fans made a fuss over enough to get their attention and then went with unnecessarily tiny text again. Now they claim that if there's fan feedback warranting it, they'll fix it in this game, magically somehow circumventing the process that made it impossible last time.

Even if you THINK "HD is the standard and pretty much everyone has HD nowadays and the ten people that don't can go to hell", the complaints BioWare's received both this time and last time shows it's a big deal to a big number of people and BioWare's handling of this is callous and proving them to not care about their fans, as well as being bad business. Again, I will ask you, how would slightly larger text (similar to DA:O) that is readable on SD AND HD have possibly been a bad thing or hurt sales? Last time I checked, DA:O sold pretty well and didn't have hundreds of thousands of HD users complaining the font was too big.

So yeah, even if you think you can defend the position that HD is the norm now and everyone should have one (And you can't, as I've already shot that arguement to hell numerous times, but I digress...), you CAN'T defend BioWare being aware of a problem for a large portion of their users, claiming to care about said users but saying they couldn't fix it, then outright ignoring that problem (and in fact, making it worse), only to give the same fan feedback "we'll look into it" line again, when the simple fix would have made everyone happy (And I do mean everyone, as even HD users are finding this text too small to read. Again, you can argue HD use is the norm and everyone should have one, but when people that DO have one and properly prescribed glasses are finding the text to be too small and hard to read, that's pretty much proof BioWare ****ed up and the text is just too damn small).

[Demon Velsper]

c0wb0ycliche wrote...

Xbox 360 and PS3 were designed for HDTV use. Period.

Ah, that must be why there are settings for non-hdmi cables and 4:3 ratio even though HDTV is only 16:9. Great thinking there.

[Nopheros]

NinjaMarion wrote...

c0wb0ycliche wrote...

You hardly have to be a "Bioware sycophant" to defend them in this matter. I have plenty of personal beef with Bioware (specifically over the lack of same-sex romance in the Mass Effect series and the now "Mass-Effecting" of Dragon Age) but this same issue (that of text size on SDTVs) has been brought up in numerous places for numerous games since the dawn of HD game systems.

Xbox 360 and PS3 were designed for HDTV use. Period. I'm sorry that not everyone likes this.The fact that it works on an SDTV doesn't change that. Like a Blu Ray player. You can hook it up to an SDTV and watch a Blu Ray on it, but that's not what it's designed for.

And if the issue relates to a visual impairment, then play on PC where it's easier to read. That's not cold. Being deaf, I wouldn't play a game that didn't have subtitles or relied on sound. That doesn't mean I'd expect every game developer to make every game playable for the hearing impaired. An example that comes to mind is the sound neccesary puzzle in Prince of Persia. Should they have taken that out since I can't hear it? No.

If you can't read the text, get an HDTV, play it on PC, or don't play it.

No, you pretty much do have to be a BioWare sycophant. Here's the breakdown: 

Text in DA:O Readable. No complaints.

Text in ME2: Tiny and hard to read. Lots of complaints. BioWare claims they're listening and will look into fixing. Says it's impossible to fix.

Text in DA2: Tinier and nearly impossible to read. Still lots of complaints. BioWare outright ignored the fact a large enough portion of their fans made a fuss over enough to get their attention and then went with unnecessarily tiny text again. Now they claim that if there's fan feedback warranting it, they'll fix it in this game, magically somehow circumventing the process that made it impossible last time.

Even if you THINK "HD is the standard and pretty much everyone has HD nowadays and the ten people that don't can go to hell", the complaints BioWare's received both this time and last time shows it's a big deal to a big number of people and BioWare's handling of this is callous and proving them to not care about their fans, as well as being bad business. Again, I will ask you, how would slightly larger text (similar to DA:O) that is readable on SD AND HD have possibly been a bad thing or hurt sales? Last time I checked, DA:O sold pretty well and didn't have hundreds of thousands of HD users complaining the font was too big.

So yeah, even if you think you can defend the position that HD is the norm now and everyone should have one (And you can't, as I've already shot that arguement to hell numerous times, but I digress...), you CAN'T defend BioWare being aware of a problem for a large portion of their users, claiming to care about said users but saying they couldn't fix it, then outright ignoring that problem (and in fact, making it worse), only to give the same fan feedback "we'll look into it" line again, when the simple fix would have made everyone happy (And I do mean everyone, as even HD users are finding this text too small to read. Again, you can argue HD use is the norm and everyone should have one, but when people that DO have one and properly prescribed glasses are finding the text to be too small and hard to read, that's pretty much proof BioWare ****ed up and the text is just too damn small).

Why not just get an HDTV? Problem solved 

[Hay Julay]

I don't understand why people are arguing about whether others should buy an HDTV or not. Really? That's not that the issue here. The issue is that the game in unplayable for a group of people. This group of people includes SDTV owners and HDTV owners. If you're able to read the text and play the game, that's great. Maybe this thread isn't for you then.