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[MasterSamson88]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

After Mr. Woos reassurance that all is well with the universe i have decided to play a 2hander as my first char instead of a dual wield rogue.

I just hope that means that 2 hander is a little stronger in the finished game. Playing through it on the demo felt pretty much like I was swinging uselessly. 

[Bobad]

Yeah two hander wasn't so hot, especially straight after an archer rogue playthrough.



Good to see there's going to be some balancing.

[HolyAvenger]

I also don't understand how people didn't feel like they were doing much damage with a 2HW...everytime I used Mighty Blow with Giant's Reach, multiple hurlocks exploded. High Str and couple of points in Cun and I was owning. It actually felt a lot easier than my DW rogue playthrough.

[Coldest]

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Modifié par Coldest, 24 février 2011 - 02:59 .

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I also don't understand how people didn't feel like they were doing much damage with a 2HW...everytime I used Mighty Blow with Giant's Reach, multiple hurlocks exploded. High Str and couple of points in Cun and I was owning. It actually felt a lot easier than my DW rogue playthrough.

Maybe they put all their points into magic instead so they could get more healing from a health pot? 

As I said before, things exploded when I touched them as 2-h, so not really seeing the weaksause argument.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

My two handed warrior had no problem in the demo. In fact he felt pretty powerful to me.

[TeamLexana]

Wow, I didn't think the 2H was weak at all, I thought it was very powerful bordering OP if archer and mage wasn't so OP themselves, lol. DW Rogue was the only class I saw as weak. Very low dps and for me it seemed to have the most issues with "no, I can't attack right now" and left me freaking slamming the attack button while she'd just wave her daggers around and dish no dps, then when it did attack, it would randomly flip over the one I wanted to attack to kill to go attack some full healthed fool over yander like an idiot Me no like.

[Sabresandiego]

TeamLexana wrote...

Wow, I didn't think the 2H was weak at all, I thought it was very powerful bordering OP if archer and mage wasn't so OP themselves, lol. DW Rogue was the only class I saw as weak. Very low dps and for me it seemed to have the most issues with "no, I can't attack right now" and left me freaking slamming the attack button while she'd just wave her daggers around and dish no dps, then when it did attack, it would randomly flip over the one I wanted to attack to kill to go attack some full healthed fool over yander like an idiot Me no like.

Sounds more like you dont know how to control the game. Dual wield rogue is considerably more powerful than the 2h warrior in this demo (aside from the exagerrated part in the beginning). All you really have to do is use backstab on every cooldown, single target dps is excellent.

[Siven80]

I do agree, 2 hander auto attack did seem weak, but mighty blow seemed to disguise the weakness.



Anyone else notice Aveline on like 70dps while your 2 hander was 20dps? bug or gear?

[HolyAvenger]

Siven80 wrote...

I do agree, 2 hander auto attack did seem weak, but mighty blow seemed to disguise the weakness.

Anyone else notice Aveline on like 70dps while your 2 hander was 20dps? bug or gear?

Gear. She has her signature sword already.

[LenaMarie]

Two handed warriors have never impressed me in dragon age, they always seem woefully underpowered and unable to survive - A Dual weilding Rogue outshines a THW in all areas based on my own testing.  I was disapointed bioware still hasnt fixed this, I thought they were getting alittle better with the tweaks to 2h warriors in Awakening but, alas, it didnt carry over into DA 2

[falconlord5]

I disagree; by the time I got to Isabela's portion, Me and Varric were killing everybody, with Aveline and Bethany sitting around looking bored.



I could take off major amounts of health on single targets, and slaughter the big guys.

[coolide]

It's premature to say how powerful or wear the warrior is considering you couldn't use most of their talents.



I played both two-handed warrior and duel rogue in the demo. I found that they both had no problem killing. The rogue did a more damage to single enemies, but I found the warrior much more effective when I was fighting a lot of enemies at once. I also found that I had to use potions a few times with the rogue, and I didn't have to once with the warrior.

[Boss Fog]

Rogues are also mush squishier than warriors. Even 2h warriors. I think all these concerns will fly out the window once people actually read the talent tree descriptions. I don't see how you can condemn any class as weak after reading them.

[Joy Divison]

Well, compared to archers, well everything seemed lacking.



I found the Giant's Reach talent did *a lot* for two handers, mighty blow wasted multiple mooks in one shot and even auto attacks were impressive in hitting multiple foes

[isaggelos]

Please remind that this is a Demo which means that not all the functions of the classes work or should work properly and devs already know of that lack of balances we might have noticed ,They already have fix many of them for the final release Many issues have been noticed with dx11 (crashes and similar problems) also glitches and other bugs but all this have to do only with the demo for example Rob Bartel from Bioware said:

The PC demo has known performance and stability issues with DirectX 11. These have been fixed in the final game.



We recommend that all users disable DirectX 11 while playing the demo, including those with high-end machines.

[Sticksandstones987]

I completely agree, but I hope Fenris is good enough to keep on my team, I think I'll really like his character.

[megaz635]

Warriors: Not much damage given or taken.



Rogues: High Damage, Soft as a banana.



Mages: Average damage, Soft as a pea.

[Adhin]

So heres a qoute from Peter I think is rather relative to this post. It shows base DPS totals for all weapon styles and compares them to 2H'er.

Peter Thomas wrote...
Damage numbers in that demo are very rough, not necessarily what is in the final game.

Per
hit, bows do about 3.5x what a 2-handed weapon does. This is because they are a single target weapon and have a slower attack speed. In general, the DPS of a Rogue will be about double that of a Warrior, but
it only applies to single targets, whereas a Warrior can affect multiple enemies. Mages have the same DPS as a Warrior, but only affect a single target, but their attacks are much easier to vary in damage type, bypassing armor/resistances.

DPS values for Rogues are actually higher for Dual Weapons than for Archery, but this is, in part, offset by the increased danger a Rogue is in by being in melee range. Archery does have an advantage in that all it's damage is applied at once, which is more likely to knock an enemy around with the force of the attack.

Here are some statistics for optimal basic attack chains with high-level weapons (to better show differences).

Style - Weapon Damage - Hits per Chain - Optimal Chain Duration - DPS - DPS compared to Two Handed

Weapon and Shield - 42 - 5 - 2.77s - 75.58 - 1.007
Two Handed - 48 - 5 - 3.2s - 75 - 1.0
Dual Weapon - 52 - 10 - 2.52s - 205.8 - 2.7
Archery - 166 - 5 - 5.58s - 148.5 - 1.98
Staff - 57 - 5 - 3.86s - 73.7 - 0.98

Basically the outcome of this is that if your 2h, and your attacking 3 targets you out DPS all classes excepte a WnS, attack 4+ (which you can do, but the WnS can't and you out DPS everyone. Add into that stuff like Bravery and skyrocket your base combat stats with more enemies and you can see how a 2H warrior can really cause some havoc.

-edit-
Oh and his numbers are from a more recent build (aka, what we're getting this 8th).

Modifié par Adhin, 24 février 2011 - 03:39 .

[Wissenschaft]

Simple tactic, have your tank use taunt to pull all the enemies on them and then have your 2h warrior attack the enemies surrounding your tank. Easy way to ensure that your 2h warrior is always hitting multiple enemies.

[DA Trap Star]

THW was kinda lame with the abilities in the demo.

But I picked the talent in the defender tree for stonewall .. with a THW that has a lot of potential. It makes it easy to take damage if you time it right

[Adhin]

Yeah and also make sure your 2H'er is positioned right and attacking an enemy in the 'middle' of a line. Attacking to the sides will kill how many targets are in your arch swing. I love that actually, warrior positioning is key to maximize damage, more so then a Rogues who just has to be behind the target to max.

[RedShft]

2 Handed warrior is fine.

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[reservedegotist]

The exaggerated intro 2H warrior was insane; the Mighty Blow caused a massive spew of red.

The normal part...not so much. Even after getting Giant's Reach the AoE attacks were pretty underwhelming - I felt like I could just move around w/ a rogue and kill them one-by-one faster than this.

[Malanek]

I thought the player THW in the demo was fine at low levels. Took Mighty blow to go with the pre determined Pommel Strike. Both shone. Level 1 rogue seemed a bit weak because you only got Evade which seemed near useless. Level up and you get Miasmic Flask and all is good.