It gives us the opportunity to be different, to push the envelope to take chances we would never take. There is no way I would turn down a party member, even one who will definitely betray me..... Let alone one with such an interesting story to tell, who is one of the deadliest sons of a **** who ever lived and who is the funniest and most endearing person apart from Alistair.
Mad at Zev
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#126
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 12:38
Jenova65
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It isn't a risk I would take IRL but this is just a game, it allows us risk free risks It gives us the opportunity to be different, to push the envelope to take chances we would never take. There is no way I would turn down a party member, even one who will definitely betray me..... Let alone one with such an interesting story to tell, who is one of the deadliest sons of a **** who ever lived and who is the funniest and most endearing person apart from Alistair.
It gives us the opportunity to be different, to push the envelope to take chances we would never take. There is no way I would turn down a party member, even one who will definitely betray me..... Let alone one with such an interesting story to tell, who is one of the deadliest sons of a **** who ever lived and who is the funniest and most endearing person apart from Alistair.
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#127
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 01:54
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Its not really about me, but the characters I'm RP'ing. Some will take him (for a variety of reasons) and some won't (similarly). But my original point was if you do take him, try to befriend him. If you don't intend to befriend him, may as well murder-knife him after the ambush.
Of course if you're vicariously indulging your bad-boy fantasies then that's a whole another can of worms
Of course if you're vicariously indulging your bad-boy fantasies then that's a whole another can of worms
#128
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 02:06
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I absolutely agree with you, if you keep him befriend him and you will never regret it.HolyAvenger wrote...
Its not really about me, but the characters I'm RP'ing. Some will take him (for a variety of reasons) and some won't (similarly). But my original point was if you do take him, try to befriend him. If you don't intend to befriend him, may as well murder-knife him after the ambush.
Of course if you're vicariously indulging your bad-boy fantasies then that's a whole another can of worms
My ONLY argument is not with that all only that in some people think in some parallel universe he will betray you. Or using RL morals and RL scenarios to tell me what should dictate MY RP experience. In a fantasy setting anything can happen, however in DA there are only a finite number of ways it can go, we know all those ways so people who love Zev will always choose to trust Zev regardless of their warden's ideals or background
Am I making sense? I think your logic for your RP'ing is sound. And you aren't telling me that at some point he will betray me, which he won't (ever....) because he just hasn't been written to betray any of my wardens. The game doesn't evolve as you play so my warden never has anything to fear because she will always befriend Zev (and/or take him as a lover, I imagine he is pretty good, no?
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#129
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 02:14
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Agreed of course, each to their (RP) own.
Once we're discussing his character I guess it goes a little murky because he's not a traitor in your game, but in my game he is. So is it a part of his character or isn't it? I had a similar argument regarding Anora with another poster...
Once we're discussing his character I guess it goes a little murky because he's not a traitor in your game, but in my game he is. So is it a part of his character or isn't it? I had a similar argument regarding Anora with another poster...
#130
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 02:36
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Addai67 wrote...
I did rp my city elf as being pretty trustful of him from the beginning. She was a cunning rogue herself, and I figure she saw the badly planned ambush, heard his story and figured out right away what he was trying to do.
By the time you've seen him run to save your life a few dozen times, it becomes hard to imagine that he's still got it in for you. Of course, that would require having him in your party, and if you do that then you're likely also to acquire his loyalty.
I think a city elf would have a different perspective on Zevran, so that might lend to more initial trust. But since I've never played a City elf beyond the first quest, and have played only humans and dwarves, I've never played a Warden who would have any reason to trust him.
I do not think the ambush was poorly planned, in fact, it was actually planned and executed pretty well. The only reason it fails is because you are the Warden, and the Warden is supposed to be too awesome to lose even good ambushes.
As far as Zevrans personal intentions, I believe it was open ended. he set up the ambush and had every intention of killing the Warden, but due to the reputation of the grey Wardens, he was fully prepared for the fact that it could fail, and he could die. Which to him was also an acceptable outcome, as we find out later. In otherwords, Zevran was prepared for both possibilities, though the latter, "suicide by cop" was considered a slightly more desirable outcome.
#131
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 02:36
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Wait. What?HolyAvenger wrote...
Agreed of course, each to their (RP) own.
Once we're discussing his character I guess it goes a little murky because he's not a traitor in your game, but in my game he is. So is it a part of his character or isn't it? I had a similar argument regarding Anora with another poster...
We were arguing? *didn't notice* lol
And yeah, I think the thing is we all have our own experiences in BioWare games, so it does muddy the waters. To me he is always absolutely redeemable, although he doesn't really need redemption as he was looking to die when he met the warden anyway having realised his path had been destructive. What he needs is someone HE can trust really, not the other way around as his experiences have coloured his view of people.
How did the Anora fight go and on which side are you? (I think she is just plain annoying personally...
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#132
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 02:45
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Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Anora and I rather thought she was a two-faced backstabber when she sold me out to Cauthrien in the middle of me rescuing her and someone around here thought that was unfair character interpretation because Anora never betrayed her Wardens. Which is a logic black hole but whatever.
Actually I think we're pretty much in agreement re Zev except you always recruit him and I only sometimes recruit him (so those Wardens that don't never get to find out about his Woobie status and hence aren't particularly fussed about that blond elven assassin who's at number 96 or so out of several hundred people they've had to kill so far...).
Actually I think we're pretty much in agreement re Zev except you always recruit him and I only sometimes recruit him (so those Wardens that don't never get to find out about his Woobie status and hence aren't particularly fussed about that blond elven assassin who's at number 96 or so out of several hundred people they've had to kill so far...).
#133
Posté 02 mars 2011 - 03:17
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My opinion on Anora too, I mean talk about throw you to the wolves (cow.........) The thing is Zev can betray you if you don't befriend him, won't ever betray you if you do befriend. But Anora will sell you out whatever. She wants to be queen and would do anything to retain that.
And yes we most likely are on the same page. I totally get the concept of RP'ing different characters to see different things - For example I always have romanced Alistair and befriended Zev (sometimes have had *relations* with Zev but ended things for Alistair............stupid lip quivering face and puppy eyes.... lol) My last play through was the first time I allowed King Alistair to dump me so I could choose Zev as a romance for my warden and it was refreshing seeing something different at the end. Same with ME - Kaidan girl, but have tried other romances to see something different.
And yes we most likely are on the same page. I totally get the concept of RP'ing different characters to see different things - For example I always have romanced Alistair and befriended Zev (sometimes have had *relations* with Zev but ended things for Alistair............stupid lip quivering face and puppy eyes.... lol) My last play through was the first time I allowed King Alistair to dump me so I could choose Zev as a romance for my warden and it was refreshing seeing something different at the end. Same with ME - Kaidan girl, but have tried other romances to see something different.
