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[tuejmccoy]

for me at least.

I mean both Hawke(if not mage) and the Warden were at Ostagar. While Warden was incapacitated, woke up next morning (or evening, cant tell for sure) and then went to Lorthering from the Korcari Wilds, which are further away from Lothering than Ostagar.
She arrived in Lothering in no hurry, killed some bandits, who misstook her mage robes for the uniform of the local brothel, killed more bandits, bears, spiders, darkspawn, made some traps, some posion, some health potions, intimdated nuns, started a bar fight, recruited Ms. Stabbity and sten a.s.o. And at this point the occupants of Lothering were still uncertain about their options, discusing them in front of the chantry. Noone was in a hurry to leave, some were more concerned about some pests on their fields more than bout the darkspawn. Hell the nuns were still preaching in the chantry.

Meanwhile Hawke was RUNNING since Ostagar, arrived barely in time to grab his/her mother and sister and flee the immidiate darkspawn danger. The darkspawn didnt only had time to flatten Lothering but also to blight-o-form the lands.

TL;DR: The timelines of events in both stories seem to diiffer quiet much

[BloodRaith]

While I have faith in the writers, I too am having trouble wrapping my head around this...

[Galad22]

It seems da2 prologue is based on different planet, or some place that has been bombed with nuclear bombs. Can't really see how they can explain it away.

[17thknight]

Continuity problem. Many stories have it, but yes, it seems quite bizarre.

[mjharper]

Ah, but do you remember Morrigan saying that we shouldn't go back to Ostagar to look for survivors, because they had all been dragged underground?



So obviously Hawke and Carver were taken to a distant deep roads prison and staged a brilliant (and time-consuming) escape. Which we will be able to play through in a DLC.



Problem solved ;-)

[silver-crescent]

Hawke was never at Ostagar, only Carver was. And he ran away before the final battle started I think.

Modifié par silver-crescent, 24 février 2011 - 10:39 .

[DarthCaine]

I choose to believe that Hawke and Carver spent some time hiding from the darkspawn and avoiding them and Hawke arrived at the same the Warden did. I also choose to believe the darkspawn attacked right after the Warden left

Modifié par DarthCaine, 24 février 2011 - 10:39 .

[Riloux]

I think they ran from Ostagar to Lothering, stayed there a while hence "Why didn't we run sooner!?" then Lothering was attacked and somehow instantly destroyed while they were just getting out.

[silver-crescent]

double post

Modifié par silver-crescent, 24 février 2011 - 10:39 .

[DarthCaine]

silver-crescent wrote...

Hawke was never at Ostagar, only Carver was.

If you play Mage that's true. If you play Warrior/Rogue both were at Ostagar

[BloodRaith]

Do we know if theres any chance that maybe like the jump from Flemeth to Kirkwall, there might be more to the prologue before we start playing? They do mention waiting too long before leaving Lothering, maybe we find out exactly why?

[Maria Caliban]

If you play a warrior or rogue, Hawke was as Ostagar.

BloodRaith wrote...

Do we know if theres any chance that maybe like the jump from Flemeth to Kirkwall, there might be more to the prologue before we start playing? They do mention waiting too long before leaving Lothering, maybe we find out exactly why?

Given that the exaggerated bit starts exactly where the non-exaggerated bit does (and we know the exaggerated bit starts the story), I'm going to assume it's the real beginning of the game.

The bit after Flemeth helps them is obviously nothing like the game.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 février 2011 - 10:41 .

[Zerakus]

Warden had help getting out of th way with Flemeth to presumably fly him/her to safety, and Morrigan to guide him/her through the wilds and the darkspawn Horde. Hawke would probably have been struggling to get away along with anyone else who made it out.

And travel would probably be more difficult and more cautious without a Warden around that could sense darkspawn.

Modifié par Zerakus, 24 février 2011 - 10:41 .

[Insom]

I figure they arrived in lothering right after the warden left and got out of there. The destruction of lothering begins right when you leave for your first main quest I think and by the time you're done it's wiped out.

[silver-crescent]

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

[Hellosanta]

1. It is likely that Morrigan have known secret short-cut to Lothering from Flemeth's hut.
2. Hawke's family was living outskirts of Lothering. It was possible that their place was further away from Ostagar somehow.
3. Codex said that Hawke's family had to spend some time packing some stuff for flight.
4. Lothering probably got hit by darkspawn right after the Warden had left.

Only my speculations though.

Modifié par Hellosanta, 24 février 2011 - 10:45 .

[DarthCaine]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

They can't just join the army and nobody notices Hawke or Bethany are apostates

Modifié par DarthCaine, 24 février 2011 - 10:42 .

[Maria Caliban]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

If he's a mage, going to Ostigar would mean being exposed as an apostate.

[BloodRaith]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

i don't think the king's army wants the help of a (non warden) apostate...

edit: also, triple hive-mind ^^

Modifié par BloodRaith, 24 février 2011 - 10:44 .

[Galad22]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

If he/ she is a mage, he/she is an apostate, so obviously Ostagar isn't an option.

[17thknight]

See, people shouldn't have to just make this stuff up and come up with wild theories about. Thus plot hole, thus continuity problem. Not a big issue, I don't think, no writer is perfect, but plot holes are not really defensible either. You end up making up wild hair-brained stuff to account for them. Best to just treat it as a meta-situation "I'm going to ignore this because I know that the writer's ****ed up and it's not worth caring about".

[LilyasAvalon]

Lothering was destroyed however after the Warden gains her first allies in the war against the Blight, it's possible the Hawke family didn't start running until after the warden had already left for whatever reason. Maybe Carver and Hawke dawlded or were severally injured and saved by Chasid and couldn't get out of the Wilds/Ostagar for a while like what happened to Fergus in noble origin.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 24 février 2011 - 10:44 .

[Zerakus]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

I think it's more like Hawke being able to serve at Ostagar as a Warrior/rogue, and so more needed there.  Harder to serve as an Apostate...

[Insom]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

They joined the army to take care of the family. They're not working for free. Apostates can't join the army.

[NiHau]

mjharper wrote...

Ah, but do you remember Morrigan saying that we shouldn't go back to Ostagar to look for survivors, because they had all been dragged underground?

So obviously Hawke and Carver were taken to a distant deep roads prison and staged a brilliant (and time-consuming) escape. Which we will be able to play through in a DLC.

Problem solved ;-)

aint you some dev friend or someting ?