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[Moondoggie]

We don't really get a sense of how much time passed between what happened at Ostagar, The warden waking up and then walking to Lothering,Doing things there and leaving and then it being taken by the blight spreading to Lothering. You're thinking about it in game time i imagine which was of course very quick since it's all more or less the start of the game. It is a bit strange to figure out however at least wait for the full game to see if it's explained better.

But when you think about it in the time after Ostagar,Being healed and passing through Lothering Hawke had enough time to escape and return home tohelp his/her family just in time before the Darkspawn killed them all. By the look of the land around them on the demo the blight has already hit hard and most people are dead. When the Warden passed though the blight had not yet reached there and the people were all migrating there thinking it's safe. Aparently it was not.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 24 février 2011 - 10:46 .

[silver-crescent]

Yeah it makes sense that he wouldn't serve as a mage, but the justification that the codex gives is that he stays behind, not because he is an apostate, but because of his mother/sister.



Pretty odd, but I guess maybe it's just so as not to confuse new players who might not know what exactly an apostate is.

[TheSmudge]

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

[nightcobra]

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Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2011 - 02:27 .

[Phex]

 Bear in the mind the landscape in the DA2 demo is located around the edges of the Korcari Wilds, I think. That area could have barren tundra until it turns into swamp and forest. I thought I heard Hawke say they will be traveling south through the Wilds.

[silver-crescent]

TheSmudge wrote...

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

Her appointment was meeting up with DA4's main character. You heard it here first.

[Moondoggie]

TheSmudge wrote...

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

That's almost a given since Flemeth tells Hawke the remaining wardens are beyond their reach. Flemeth rescued the Warden while the battle was still happening and in the aftermath Carver/Hawke escaped and made their way back to Lothering while the Warden was being healed and was taken to Lothering by Morrigan. From what i can gather Hawke/Carvers return was just before or during the Darkspawn invasion which was after the Warden left.

[Russalka]

There are dozens of reasons why it took a month for him or them to arrive.

And that is probably enough time to turn the place into Mars as well.

[JensenBakura]

I think things get easier if you assume Carver was part of Loghain's forces.



Day 1: Duncan and Warden arrive at Ostagar, Carver is already there in the main camp.

Night 1: The Battle of Ostagar. Carver and the rest of Loghain's forces are told the king has died due to treachery, and they must withdraw if they are to survive the trap. Flemeth rescues the warden.



Day 2: The warden wakes, and sets off with Morrigan and Alistair at high speed, due to Morrigan's knowledge of the land and the party's ability to detect Darkspawn. Carver races home, and gathers his family and begins trying to convince them to gather everything and leave. This is made difficult by your mothers "unwillingness to leave everything your father and I built behind", and the confused reports of what happened at ostagar.



Day 2-4:

The Darkspawn horde is spread over a large area hunting routing enemies and defeating the last pockets of resistance. Further slowing them down is the need for all of them to feed (I don't see the Darkspawn having a complex logistics divison and baggage train, like a human army), and process any captured females. Completing this task and then waiting for the horde to reform ranks to march could take several days - plenty of time for the Warden's Ostagar adventure. In the mean time, the Hawkes are struggling to make much headway with all their baggage along roads chocked with refugees, and decide to travel off-road, slowing their pace to a crawl.



Day 5+:



The Warden's party are now gone from the area and heading to one of the three treaty groups. The Horde has regrouped and swarms over Lothering and along the roads. The Hawkes, travelling off-road and burdened by baggage, are overtaken, but passed by, as the faster moving horde sticks to the roads. Soon, however, they encounter darkspawn and finally give up their belongings and flee for their lives. Too late, they realise that the horde has begun fanning out again, and they are now cut off. Flemeth decides to take to the skies and ensure that the Warden has made it out of harms way, and happens to see the Hawke's defeat an Ogre.



You know the rest.

[NiHau]

Sefferz wrote...

 Bear in the mind the landscape in the DA2 demo is located around the edges of the Korcari Wilds, I think. That area could have barren tundra until it turns into swamp and forest. I thought I heard Hawke say they will be traveling south through the Wilds.

they its not realy related to DA:O and thats all new game yust old name...

[BloodRaith]

Maria Caliban wrote...

If you play a warrior or rogue, Hawke was as Ostagar.

BloodRaith wrote...

Do we know if theres any chance that maybe like the jump from Flemeth to Kirkwall, there might be more to the prologue before we start playing? They do mention waiting too long before leaving Lothering, maybe we find out exactly why?

Given that the exaggerated bit starts exactly where the non-exaggerated bit does (and we know the exaggerated bit starts the story), I'm going to assume it's the real beginning of the game.

The bit after Flemeth helps them is obviously nothing like the game.

I meant after the exagerrated bit, but just before where we start the real story. I only ask because Varric gives a little speech thats animates similarly to the bit that tells about the boat trip to kirkwall. I'm not expecting any kind of large extention of the opening or whatever, but i thought maybe they skipped a little to get down to business for the demo, you know?

[Hellosanta]

silver-crescent wrote...

TheSmudge wrote...

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

Her appointment was meeting up with DA4's main character. You heard it here first.

What about DA3 characters? No connection between Flemeth and DA3 protagonist? That'd be shame.

[SkyWard20]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

it's not smart to go to ostagar as an apostate.

[NiHau]

SkyWard20 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

it's not smart to go to ostagar as an apostate.

meybe you can think it in other way this 2 games is not related or 
they are related only because few character and name ?

[silver-crescent]

Hellosanta wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

TheSmudge wrote...

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

Her appointment was meeting up with DA4's main character. You heard it here first.

What about DA3 characters? No connection between Flemeth and DA3 protagonist? That'd be shame.

Well, it's pretty much a given that DA3's MC is gonna be Hawke again.

[DKJaigen]

17thknight wrote...

See, people shouldn't have to just make this stuff up and come up with wild theories about. Thus plot hole, thus continuity problem. Not a big issue, I don't think, no writer is perfect, but plot holes are not really defensible either. You end up making up wild hair-brained stuff to account for them. Best to just treat it as a meta-situation "I'm going to ignore this because I know that the writer's ****ed up and it's not worth caring about".

perhaps . but keep in mind that they maybe a simple explanation then a plothole. We dont know how long the hawkes  have been running from ostagar to lothering. its quite possible that the warden and morrigan where in lothering within days while hawke or carver not knowing the wilds and not aided by flemeths magic may took weeks before they reached  lothering.

[TheSmudge]

Hellosanta wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

TheSmudge wrote...

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

Her appointment was meeting up with DA4's main character. You heard it here first.

What about DA3 characters? No connection between Flemeth and DA3 protagonist? That'd be shame.

That would be too obvious.

[17thknight]

silver-crescent wrote...

Well, it's pretty much a given that DA3's MC is gonna be Hawke again.

Lame. Give us the ability to make characters again, Bioware. Bring back the damn Origins system and improve/expand on it.

[NiHau]

17thknight wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Well, it's pretty much a given that DA3's MC is gonna be Hawke again.

Lame. Give us the ability to make characters again, Bioware. Bring back the damn Origins system and improve/expand on it.

FISTS IN AIR 
Damn straight 

[Hellosanta]

silver-crescent wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

TheSmudge wrote...

At first I was under the impression that when Flemeth says she "has an appointment to keep" she was referring to saving the Warden and Alister. Thinking about it now though, I think the Warden (sped on by being able to evade the horde and Morrigan's knowledge of the Wilds) probably beat Hawke and Carver to Lothering.

Her appointment was meeting up with DA4's main character. You heard it here first.

What about DA3 characters? No connection between Flemeth and DA3 protagonist? That'd be shame.

Well, it's pretty much a given that DA3's MC is gonna be Hawke again.

We ... never know! There is still a possibility that all protagonists from DA series are going to gather to do something big at the end of DA series.

[MortalEngines]

JensenBakura wrote...

I think things get easier if you assume Carver was part of Loghain's forces.

It's stated by Aveline that Carver (and Hawke if Warrior/Rogue) was serving under Captian Varel (Seneschal Varel in Awakening).

Modifié par MortalEngines, 24 février 2011 - 11:00 .

[Galad22]

17thknight wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Well, it's pretty much a given that DA3's MC is gonna be Hawke again.

Lame. Give us the ability to make characters again, Bioware. Bring back the damn Origins system and improve/expand on it.

Hear hear!

[Vitani]

This thread rises and interesting question - Do you think that it will be important to have someone from your family who has been at Ostagar just like we have to have an apostate? We can have Bethany and our Hawke or Carver and our very own apostate.

Or I am just imagining things

[daywalker03]

NiHau wrote...

Sefferz wrote...

 Bear in the mind the landscape in the DA2 demo is located around the edges of the Korcari Wilds, I think. That area could have barren tundra until it turns into swamp and forest. I thought I heard Hawke say they will be traveling south through the Wilds.

they its not realy related to DA:O and thats all new game yust old name...

He's talking about the Frozen Wastes to the south of Ostagar; go look at a map of Thedas and you'll see what I mean.

[Sierra Crysis]

The warden+party was airlifted by Flemeth and so got a huge headstart on Hawke and Carver.



Carver and Hawke had to be careful and fight there way there tooth and nail, and then had to travel with their sister and their mother, who's not going to beable to travel with complete haste like the Warden's party is able to.