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[Jazharah]

JensenBakura wrote...

I think things get easier if you assume Carver was part of Loghain's forces.

Day 1: Duncan and Warden arrive at Ostagar, Carver is already there in the main camp.
Night 1: The Battle of Ostagar. Carver and the rest of Loghain's forces are told the king has died due to treachery, and they must withdraw if they are to survive the trap. Flemeth rescues the warden.

Day 2: The warden wakes, and sets off with Morrigan and Alistair at high speed, due to Morrigan's knowledge of the land and the party's ability to detect Darkspawn. Carver races home, and gathers his family and begins trying to convince them to gather everything and leave. This is made difficult by your mothers "unwillingness to leave everything your father and I built behind", and the confused reports of what happened at ostagar.

Day 2-4:
The Darkspawn horde is spread over a large area hunting routing enemies and defeating the last pockets of resistance. Further slowing them down is the need for all of them to feed (I don't see the Darkspawn having a complex logistics divison and baggage train, like a human army), and process any captured females. Completing this task and then waiting for the horde to reform ranks to march could take several days - plenty of time for the Warden's Ostagar adventure. In the mean time, the Hawkes are struggling to make much headway with all their baggage along roads chocked with refugees, and decide to travel off-road, slowing their pace to a crawl.

Day 5+:

The Warden's party are now gone from the area and heading to one of the three treaty groups. The Horde has regrouped and swarms over Lothering and along the roads. The Hawkes, travelling off-road and burdened by baggage, are overtaken, but passed by, as the faster moving horde sticks to the roads. Soon, however, they encounter darkspawn and finally give up their belongings and flee for their lives. Too late, they realise that the horde has begun fanning out again, and they are now cut off. Flemeth decides to take to the skies and ensure that the Warden has made it out of harms way, and happens to see the Hawke's defeat an Ogre.

You know the rest.

Excellent write-up. Saves me from having to do it, I'm with you completely on this. It makes perfect sense, and as long as you actually look at the timeline, things are rather concise and there are no plotholes.

[NiHau]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

The warden+party was airlifted by Flemeth and so got a huge headstart on Hawke and Carver.

Carver and Hawke had to be careful and fight there way there tooth and nail, and then had to travel with their sister and their mother, who's not going to beable to travel with complete haste like the Warden's party is able to.

nonsense[DOT] 

[MortalEngines]

Jazharah wrote...
Excellent write-up. Saves me from having to do it, I'm with you completely on this. It makes perfect sense, and as long as you actually look at the timeline, things are rather concise and there are no plotholes.

To shameless quote myself:

MortalEngines wrote...
It's stated by Aveline that Carver (and Hawke if Warrior/Rogue) was serving under Captian Varel (Seneschal Varel in Awakening).

[Moondoggie]

Asheris wrote...

This thread rises and interesting question - Do you think that it will be important to have someone from your family who has been at Ostagar just like we have to have an apostate? We can have Bethany and our Hawke or Carver and our very own apostate.

Or I am just imagining things

I doubt you are. From what i can gather it will probably be two big storylines in the game with the Ostargar survivor and Apostate needing to be with you.

[17thknight]

Everything in this thread is just wild speculation. It's just a plot hole, people, overlook it and move on.

[Roc331]

I'm pretty sure The Warden got to Lothering first, thanks to morrigan's knowledge. I'm assuming Carver and Hawke had a rougher time, dodging dark spawn and all. As for the scenery, it reminds me of redcliff, geography does change, and they where heading south twords the horde. Maybe the corruption kills the plants?

[NiHau]

MortalEngines wrote...

Jazharah wrote...
Excellent write-up. Saves me from having to do it, I'm with you completely on this. It makes perfect sense, and as long as you actually look at the timeline, things are rather concise and there are no plotholes.

To shameless quote myself:

MortalEngines wrote...
It's stated by Aveline that Carver (and Hawke if Warrior/Rogue) was serving under Captian Varel (Seneschal Varel in Awakening).

 thats yu'st shows that this games in not related seriusly...

[PinkShoes]

you must remember that this is Verric telling the story so as it happens and he could be lying/exaggerating

[PinkShoes]

double post.

Modifié par PinkShoes, 24 février 2011 - 11:07 .

[Moondoggie]

Roc331 wrote...

I'm pretty sure The Warden got to Lothering first, thanks to morrigan's knowledge. I'm assuming Carver and Hawke had a rougher time, dodging dark spawn and all. As for the scenery, it reminds me of redcliff, geography does change, and they where heading south twords the horde. Maybe the corruption kills the plants?

The blight kills all life and turns everything to a bleak wasteland which is why everything looks like "Mars" as some people put it.

[MortalEngines]

NiHau wrote...
 thats yu'st shows that this games in not related seriusly...

What? Howso, the games are still very much related, don't make me write a list (>_> I'll do, I swear!). But more seriously, it would make less sense if they were serving under Loghain, they would of all been taken to Denerim, not to mention they would of technically abandoned the king...

[steven20011]

I think in the full game you actually see lothering destroyed through the eyes of hawke. Maybe he waited there a little bit. Bethany said we should have run sooner. And hawke says: we were running since ostagar. But who knows what they did in lothering.

[NiHau]

MortalEngines wrote...

NiHau wrote...
 thats yu'st shows that this games in not related seriusly...

What? Howso, the games are still very much related, don't make me write a list (>_> I'll do, I swear!). But more seriously, it would make less sense if they were serving under Loghain, they would of all been taken to Denerim, not to mention they would of technically abandoned the king...

i mean when warden will fight ...
you will wander around meking money and soon whers the LAST batle goes ?
if your in the same time/space ...
and if you think its related only because some characters ... 
like i told in other forum /meh im going home "Fu ea" zzz

[Galad22]

Moondoggie wrote...

Roc331 wrote...

I'm pretty sure The Warden got to Lothering first, thanks to morrigan's knowledge. I'm assuming Carver and Hawke had a rougher time, dodging dark spawn and all. As for the scenery, it reminds me of redcliff, geography does change, and they where heading south twords the horde. Maybe the corruption kills the plants?

The blight kills all life and turns everything to a bleak wasteland which is why everything looks like "Mars" as some people put it.

Yes well it doesn't happen in few hours after all darkspawn attacks from forest in ostagar not from bleak wasteland. And I doubt Hawkes family would have waited in their house when land died around them.

[Russalka]

Galad22 wrote...

Yes well it doesn't happen in few hours after all darkspawn attacks from forest in ostagar not from bleak wasteland. And I doubt Hawkes family would have waited in their house when land died around them.

A month passed. It was evidently enough time.

[Felfenix]

If you guys thought the blighted outskirts of Lothering looked like an unreal hell, then you should visit the parts of California that look even worse.

[Icinix]

17thknight wrote...

Everything in this thread is just wild speculation. It's just a plot hole, people, overlook it and move on.

But the less we point them out...

..the more they occur.  Someone needs to keep the flames lit and remind the writers that we will be onto any inconsistency like a rabbit on another rabbit...

[DanteCousland]

You do realise that the warden and alistair couldv'e gotten lifted out by flemeth half way during the battlee.
e.g. Battle starts
Cailan dies
Warden is injured and airlifted out
The rest of the army fights a losing battle and splits up.
Carver would have to navigate unfamiliar territory and would have to encounter darkspawn whilst the warden can quickly traverse trhe wilds not encontering darkspawn due to Morrigans knowledge.

Wrden gets to lothering, does their thing and heads off whilst Carver is still in the wilds. Warden goes off to Denerim/ first quest when carver arrives at lothering.
Warden is still doing first quest when lothering is overrun, the Hawkes barely escape in time.
Due to the mass size of the horde and the little resistance southern fereeldan is transformed into the "Blightlands".

[Gabey5]

well flemeth cut down on journey time for the warden... and that is a minuscule problem that is off no consequence

[tuejmccoy]

Asheris wrote...

This thread rises and interesting question - Do you think that it will be important to have someone from your family who has been at Ostagar just like we have to have an apostate? We can have Bethany and our Hawke or Carver and our very own apostate.

Or I am just imagining things

Now that u mention it, we realy end up with one apostate and one ostagar deserter in the party, no matter the choice of our class. Now i am evene more curious, what the writers did with this whole "kill-a-sibling" thing.

[NiHau]

DanteCousland wrote...

You do realise that the warden and alistair couldv'e gotten lifted out by flemeth half way during the battlee.
e.g. Battle starts
Cailan dies
Warden is injured and airlifted out
The rest of the army fights a losing battle and splits up.
Carver would have to navigate unfamiliar territory and would have to encounter darkspawn whilst the warden can quickly traverse trhe wilds not encontering darkspawn due to Morrigans knowledge.

Wrden gets to lothering, does their thing and heads off whilst Carver is still in the wilds. Warden goes off to Denerim/ first quest when carver arrives at lothering.
Warden is still doing first quest when lothering is overrun, the Hawkes barely escape in time.
Due to the mass size of the horde and the little resistance southern fereeldan is transformed into the "Blightlands".

exactly what i mean :innocent: oh man i sure hawe english knowledge problems
i mean its not related to DA:O and i dont understand what did writers doo ? fan service ?

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 11:17 .

[Icinix]

tuejmccoy wrote...

Asheris wrote...

This thread rises and interesting question - Do you think that it will be important to have someone from your family who has been at Ostagar just like we have to have an apostate? We can have Bethany and our Hawke or Carver and our very own apostate.

Or I am just imagining things

Now that u mention it, we realy end up with one apostate and one ostagar deserter in the party, no matter the choice of our class. Now i am evene more curious, what the writers did with this whole "kill-a-sibling" thing.

It was probably an addtional arcade game within the game they had before Gaider had a lightbulb go off, stood up and went 'Wait a minute...'

[Vitani]

tuejmccoy wrote...

Asheris wrote...

This thread rises and interesting question - Do you think that it will be important to have someone from your family who has been at Ostagar just like we have to have an apostate? We can have Bethany and our Hawke or Carver and our very own apostate.

Or I am just imagining things

Now that u mention it, we realy end up with one apostate and one ostagar deserter in the party, no matter the choice of our class. Now i am evene more curious, what the writers did with this whole "kill-a-sibling" thing.

I just hope that it does not serve the sole purspose of making Alistair's cameo more dramatic <_<

Modifié par Asheris, 24 février 2011 - 11:18 .

[Moondoggie]

Asheris wrote...

I just hope that it does not serve the sole purspose of making Alistair's cameo more dramatic <_<

Ah spoilerific. Bioware trailers couldn't have done a better job themselves XD

[Sinvx]

silver-crescent wrote...

Hawke was never at Ostagar, only Carver was. And he ran away before the final battle started I think.

Depends on what you pick. First playthrough I picked mage, and it was just Carver who was at Ostagar. Pick something else, and when they talk about Ostagar, Carver will say "We ran" instead of "I ran". Also lets put it like this, Carver or Carver and Hawke(depending on which class you picked) Saw what happened at Ostagar, went home got their family, and left in a hurry, or were busy preparing at their home to leave when the Warden arrived.