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[LilyasAvalon]

Asheris wrote...
I just hope that it does not serve the sole purspose of making Alistair's cameo more dramatic <_<

Alistair makes Alistair's cameo more dramatic.

[NiHau]

Sinvx wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Hawke was never at Ostagar, only Carver was. And he ran away before the final battle started I think.

Depends on what you pick. First playthrough I picked mage, and it was just Carver who was at Ostagar. Pick something else, and when they talk about Ostagar, Carver will say "We ran" instead of "I ran". Also lets put it like this, Carver or Carver and Hawke(depending on which class you picked) Saw what happened at Ostagar, went home got their family, and left in a hurry, or were busy preparing at their home to leave when the Warden arrived.

yeah right and they runed to mars ... 

[Nonoru]

Zerakus wrote...

Warden had help getting out of th way with Flemeth to presumably fly him/her to safety, and Morrigan to guide him/her through the wilds and the darkspawn Horde. Hawke would probably have been struggling to get away along with anyone else who made it out.

And travel would probably be more difficult and more cautious without a Warden around that could sense darkspawn.

[Vitani]

Moondoggie wrote...

Asheris wrote...

I just hope that it does not serve the sole purspose of making Alistair's cameo more dramatic <_<

Ah spoilerific. Bioware trailers couldn't have done a better job themselves XD

Do we even got that confirmed?

I just wanted to vent off my frustration that Alistair is Dragon Age's golden boy and will prolly arrive in every one of them to thow a line or two, shine with his king armour and move on never to be seen...until the next expansion that is.

That's the dark side of decisions carrying over from DA:O I gues...

...but that went further off-topic than I wanted

[NiHau]

Nonoru wrote...

Zerakus wrote...

Warden had help getting out of th way with Flemeth to presumably fly him/her to safety, and Morrigan to guide him/her through the wilds and the darkspawn Horde. Hawke would probably have been struggling to get away along with anyone else who made it out.

And travel would probably be more difficult and more cautious without a Warden around that could sense darkspawn.

i yus't played wit warion and im like OMG
im playing some japanise button smasher bam bam bam hes swings sword like "star wars saber " 
but if thats what peaople whants then ok preorder cancel  EA ... go home

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 11:31 .

[SomeBug]

It would be ohmygod awesome if at the end of DA2, after ten years, you get to see King Alistair with some kind of full beard all badass and 'hey ****es I'm da king'

[Moondoggie]

Asheris wrote...

Do w even got that confirmed?

I just wanted to vent off my frustration that Alistair is Dragon Age's golden boy and will prolly arrive in every one of them to thow a line or two, shine with his king armour and move on never to be seen...until the next expansion that is.

That's the dark side of decisions carrying over from DA:O I gues...

...but that went further off-topic than I wanted

I have no idea what is confirmed and what is not. For once i just want to play a game where things suprise me instead of knowing all the major suprises beforehand.

If he does appear i imagine after the battering he took in my first Origins game he'll be mentally scarred and babbling in a corner somewhere after i decided he annoys me and spent the game picking on him and forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do.

[LilyasAvalon]

Asheris wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Asheris wrote...

I just hope that it does not serve the sole purspose of making Alistair's cameo more dramatic <_<

Ah spoilerific. Bioware trailers couldn't have done a better job themselves XD

Do we even got that confirmed?

I just wanted to vent off my frustration that Alistair is Dragon Age's golden boy and will prolly arrive in every one of them to thow a line or two, shine with his king armour and move on never to be seen...until the next expansion that is.

That's the dark side of decisions carrying over from DA:O I gues...

...but that went further off-topic than I wanted

Valentine posted on his twitter he was doing voice acting for DA2, it's safe to assume it will be a cameo by Alistair.

[Swisspease]

Alistair shouldn't be in my game since I had Anora kill him when I opted to keep Logain. I just couldn't take Alistair's whining.

[Wulfram]

The Hawkes say the Templars already left, who were showing no signs of imminent departure when the Warden was there.

[Moondoggie]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Valentine posted on his twitter he was doing voice acting for DA2, it's safe to assume it will be a cameo by Alistair.

I do hope an archdemon pops out of the ground and swallows you up in a most painful manner.

[tmp7704]

tuejmccoy wrote...

Meanwhile Hawke was RUNNING since Ostagar, arrived barely in time to grab his/her mother and sister and flee the immidiate darkspawn danger. The darkspawn didnt only had time to flatten Lothering but also to blight-o-form the lands.

TL;DR: The timelines of events in both stories seem to diiffer quiet much

Well, one simple explanation could be the Wardens moved on (in-game invisible) horses while Hawke + Carver being peasants went on foot. That would allow the warden team to arrive well in advance.

[Vitani]

tmp7704 wrote...

tuejmccoy wrote...

Meanwhile Hawke was RUNNING since Ostagar, arrived barely in time to grab his/her mother and sister and flee the immidiate darkspawn danger. The darkspawn didnt only had time to flatten Lothering but also to blight-o-form the lands.

TL;DR: The timelines of events in both stories seem to diiffer quiet much

Well, one simple explanation could be the Wardens moved on (in-game invisible) horses while Hawke + Carver being peasants went on foot. That would allow the warden team to arrive well in advance.

I thought horses were a lie in Thedas

[tuejmccoy]

DanteCousland wrote...

You do realise that the warden and alistair couldv'e gotten lifted out by flemeth half way during the battlee.
e.g. Battle starts
Cailan dies
Warden is injured and airlifted out
The rest of the army fights a losing battle and splits up.
Carver would have to navigate unfamiliar territory and would have to encounter darkspawn whilst the warden can quickly traverse trhe wilds not encontering darkspawn due to Morrigans knowledge.

Wrden gets to lothering, does their thing and heads off whilst Carver is still in the wilds. Warden goes off to Denerim/ first quest when carver arrives at lothering.
Warden is still doing first quest when lothering is overrun, the Hawkes barely escape in time.
Due to the mass size of the horde and the little resistance southern fereeldan is transformed into the "Blightlands".

Well, from my meeting of Cailan's honor guard guy at the beginning of "Return to Ostagar", i kinda got the impression, that there wasn't much of battle after Cailan and Duncan died.
Also Varric refers to the Ostagar as a disaster. "The brave defenders of Ostagar even after their king's death were able to hold of the Horde for several more hours"- doesnt sound to me like a "disaster".
Warden was out at least for like 6 hours. Korcari Wilds with Flemeths hut in it are further away from Lothering than Ostagar.
The darkspawn horde attacked from the south, and the Ostagar survivors fled to the north, if the darkspawn didnt dispatch some fast moving units to the north whiler they were taking Ostagar, i doubt the survivors would encounter many darkspawn once they ve got out of Ostagars sight range.
While i am sure, that Morrigan is a quiet capable young woman, i doubt that she could lead two Wardens, one of them probabaly still weak from his/her injury,a longer distance through swamps and wood, avoiding darkspawn
 FASTER
than someone traveling a shorter distance through plains, which he/they probably have known since his/their birth.

[belwin]

silver-crescent wrote...

Really? That's pretty stupid. I mean if he is a mage he needs to stay and take care of his mother/sister, but if he is a rogue/warrior they don't need him anymore?

mage hawke is an apostate.
therefore, going to ostagar wouldn't have ended well,
with y'know templars and stuff.

[Hellosanta]

Mind you all, but in Codex, it said that Carver(including Hawke if he/she is a warrior/rogue)got back to family about a month after since he left to Ostagar for the battle against drarkspawn. Thus, it is likely that he spent quite time struggling to pass through the horde of darkspawn from Ostagar to Lothering.

Modifié par Hellosanta, 24 février 2011 - 12:08 .

[Phazor58]

JensenBakura wrote...

I think things get easier if you assume Carver was part of Loghain's forces.

Day 1: Duncan and Warden arrive at Ostagar, Carver is already there in the main camp.
Night 1: The Battle of Ostagar. Carver and the rest of Loghain's forces are told the king has died due to treachery, and they must withdraw if they are to survive the trap. Flemeth rescues the warden.

Day 2: The warden wakes, and sets off with Morrigan and Alistair at high speed, due to Morrigan's knowledge of the land and the party's ability to detect Darkspawn. Carver races home, and gathers his family and begins trying to convince them to gather everything and leave. This is made difficult by your mothers "unwillingness to leave everything your father and I built behind", and the confused reports of what happened at ostagar.

Day 2-4:
The Darkspawn horde is spread over a large area hunting routing enemies and defeating the last pockets of resistance. Further slowing them down is the need for all of them to feed (I don't see the Darkspawn having a complex logistics divison and baggage train, like a human army), and process any captured females. Completing this task and then waiting for the horde to reform ranks to march could take several days - plenty of time for the Warden's Ostagar adventure. In the mean time, the Hawkes are struggling to make much headway with all their baggage along roads chocked with refugees, and decide to travel off-road, slowing their pace to a crawl.

Day 5+:

The Warden's party are now gone from the area and heading to one of the three treaty groups. The Horde has regrouped and swarms over Lothering and along the roads. The Hawkes, travelling off-road and burdened by baggage, are overtaken, but passed by, as the faster moving horde sticks to the roads. Soon, however, they encounter darkspawn and finally give up their belongings and flee for their lives. Too late, they realise that the horde has begun fanning out again, and they are now cut off. Flemeth decides to take to the skies and ensure that the Warden has made it out of harms way, and happens to see the Hawke's defeat an Ogre.

You know the rest.

This sounds reasonable.

[pingupower]

Simple enough to explain.



The warden was saved by flemeth and guided by morrigan who knew the terrain. Thus it was quite a safer route.



The Hawkes survived the battle, meaning there was probably a lot of darkspawn between them and Lothering. And since we cannot assume they knew the terrain (the wilds aren't the ideal place to hang out, usually), they must have found their way north more difficult. So it seems quite adequate they arrived later than the warden.

[VeoLu]

Prepare for long-windedness.



It seems to me like Alistair and Warden were taken down pretty early in the battle at Ostagar. (Noting that Duncan tells you that you have only one hour to light the signal.) A battle of that scale would not be over quickly. Plus there's the whole thing about darkspawn eating people and dragging them underground. Morrigan mentions when you awake that the darkspawn are still there, and that you going back for survivors would be suicide, so evidently something is still happening out there. That would Give Carver and/or Hawke time to flee to Lothering, whilst Warden and Alistair are boo-hooing about the blight, then heading there themselves, wouldn't it? Perhaps the darkspawn were following behind them? They had to fight them as they went? (Like you do if you get the battle to save the Mabari?)



For Warden's group to get there first, all I can assume is that Morrigan knew the path VERY well, and that Carver and/or Hawke arrived just as Warden and friends were leaving? Since Flemeth saved the last 2 Wardens, it's entirely possible that while they were already headed to Lothering, Carver and/or Hawke were still trying to fight their way out to flee.



At this point I have to agree with the person who previously mentioned that we shouldn't be wondering these things regardless; with all the posts of possible outcomes, there are certainly different ways of explaining it away. It may not be as BIG a plot hole some are making it out to be, but one is definitely there.

[Maconbar]

tuejmccoy wrote...

Asheris wrote...

This thread rises and interesting question - Do you think that it will be important to have someone from your family who has been at Ostagar just like we have to have an apostate? We can have Bethany and our Hawke or Carver and our very own apostate.

Or I am just imagining things

Now that u mention it, we realy end up with one apostate and one ostagar deserter in the party, no matter the choice of our class. Now i am evene more curious, what the writers did with this whole "kill-a-sibling" thing.

Someone else pointed this out in another thread. I believe that having an Ostagar survivor will be an important element of the story.

[Apollo Starflare]

Yeah I just put down any discrepancies to not knowing how long they were delayed at Ostagar, and then further delayed at Lothering. Plenty of room to make the timeline work if you consider Lothering destroyed not long after the Warden leaves.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

I blame Carver. Uppity brother probably kept trying to lead rogue/warrior Hawke in the wrong direction. 

As far as Alistair's cameo goes, I think any Origins cameos are dependent on your import. For instance, every one of my games ends with Alistair girlying out on you and fleeing to go become a raving drunk in the boonies. I very much doubt he'll be making a cameo in my games. 

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 24 février 2011 - 02:24 .

[Kharn-ivor]

mhh yeah good question op, I guess carver and hawke were at ostagar but ran/survived the night then sneaked back to lothering to meet the rest. The time Warden took to get better and tinker in lothering Hawke spent getting to lothering and gathering family, so in my mind warden leaves lothering then hawke leaves during the darkspawn attack. But as they say the Darkspawn are allready north of them at this point presumably the entire darkspawn army didnt stop.

No Im still a bit confused xD

Modifié par Kharn-ivor, 24 février 2011 - 02:25 .

[Russalka]

I imagine Carver could have something to say about Ostagar and the delay later in the game.

[nightcobra]

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Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2011 - 02:46 .