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[Fenn_]

 They went to lothering from Ostagar probley hideing along the way then they went back into the wilds to try to get around the horde they were trying to get to a village called Gwaren they are not going in the same direction as the warden. Look over near the Frozen Seas for Gwaren  http://images1.wikia...0/ThedasMap.jpg 

Modifié par Fenn , 24 février 2011 - 04:22 .

[ValentineMSmith]

Maconbar wrote...

I thought that the sense of time passing was terrible in DA:O.

This^^, compounded by the fact that DA2 appears to be retconning certain things to fit a new story set in some of the same game spaces (so that BW can claim there's a connection, natch.)

I had a DA:O playthrough where Oghren was in my party and I'd met the werewolves at the time that I rescued Sten from the cage.  With travel, that implies _much_ more than a month after Ostagar and Lothering hadn't been overrun.  The timeline in DA:O was beyond flexible...so now trying to figure out how it meshes with the DA2 timeline is essentially going to be unsatisfying.

I wish that we'd gotten a sequel that either *did* really make use of things from DA:O and DLC, or that was more completely separate.

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Starting a new character and EA account for DA2 and DA:L...might as well make a clean break.

[Wulfram]

Addai67 wrote...

Flemeth's appointment I take to be the Warden coming to confront her.

Not all Wardens will ever see Flemeth again, though.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Flemeth's appointment I take to be the Warden coming to confront her.

Not all Wardens will ever see Flemeth again, though.

True if you chose not to confront her for Morrigan. I'd guess bioware is assuming everyone did it though.

In any case it raises some interesting implications. So Flemeth knew all along that Morrigan was going to send the Warden after her? Did Flemeth and morrigan plan the whole thing as a charade?

[maximus660099]

I agree the demo doesnt start at the very begining of the game there is time that you spend in the village before its attacked plus if hawke and carver were in the final battle then you dont simple walk out of a massive assult you have to sneak out and evade that whole horde of darkspawn



Plus we dont know yet if he did something on the way back besides evade the horde that took up some of the time before he got home

[Annarl]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

-Freakshow wrote...

What I want to know is why does Flemeth look so different? Her hair, her physique, etc...

she's a shapeshifter, her original form may not be even of a human.

Is it me or does she look a little more like Morrigan? (aside for the hair/horn thing) Maybe I'm seeing things 

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

omearaee wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

-Freakshow wrote...

What I want to know is why does Flemeth look so different? Her hair, her physique, etc...

she's a shapeshifter, her original form may not be even of a human.

Is it me or does she look a little more like Morrigan? (aside for the hair/horn thing) Maybe I'm seeing things 

It's the armor. The feathers and all that jazz that are similar to Morrigan's robe.

[SonvarTheMighty]

David Gaider wrote...

"Running since Ostagar" is not the same as "we ran directly here after the battle".

They (or simply Carver) got there as soon as they could, while evading darkspawn, and arrived well after the Warden (who, at this point in time, would have been completing his/her first major world quest). I suppose we could have Carver and/or the player stop and outline exactly what they've been up to since Ostagar, but I'm not sure who that would be of interest to aside from people who like to call everything that isn't explicitly explained to them a plothole.

This was pretty much what I thought had happened in my head.   Don't understand why people think this is a plothole.   Granted there could be some but in most cases with Bioware's writing I'm willing to ignore or not dwell on it as they likely have good reasoning

[DraCZeQQ]

yea its not a plothole guys, its a feature =)

[Stargatesam]

David Gaider wrote...

tuejmccoy wrote...

for me at least.

I mean both Hawke(if not mage) and the Warden were at Ostagar. While Warden was incapacitated, woke up next morning (or evening, cant tell for sure) and then went to Lorthering from the Korcari Wilds, which are further away from Lothering than Ostagar.
She arrived in Lothering in no hurry, killed some bandits, who misstook her mage robes for the uniform of the local brothel, killed more bandits, bears, spiders, darkspawn, made some traps, some posion, some health potions, intimdated nuns, started a bar fight, recruited Ms. Stabbity and sten a.s.o. And at this point the occupants of Lothering were still uncertain about their options, discusing them in front of the chantry. Noone was in a hurry to leave, some were more concerned about some pests on their fields more than bout the darkspawn. Hell the nuns were still preaching in the chantry.

Meanwhile Hawke was RUNNING since Ostagar, arrived barely in time to grab his/her mother and sister and flee the immidiate darkspawn danger. The darkspawn didnt only had time to flatten Lothering but also to blight-o-form the lands.

TL;DR: The timelines of events in both stories seem to diiffer quiet much

"Running since Ostagar" is not the same as "we ran directly here after the battle".

They (or simply Carver) got there as soon as they could, while evading darkspawn, and arrived well after the Warden (who, at this point in time, would have been completing his/her first major world quest). I suppose we could have Carver and/or the player stop and outline exactly what they've been up to since Ostagar, but I'm not sure who that would be of interest to aside from people who like to call everything that isn't explicitly explained to them a plothole.

and this is why I like Mr. Gaider he's honest.....like a sock to the gut. But I suppose people looking for plotholes well find plotholes

[Taleroth]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

omearaee wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

-Freakshow wrote...

What I want to know is why does Flemeth look so different? Her hair, her physique, etc...

she's a shapeshifter, her original form may not be even of a human.

Is it me or does she look a little more like Morrigan? (aside for the hair/horn thing) Maybe I'm seeing things 

It's the armor. The feathers and all that jazz that are similar to Morrigan's robe.

And that she's wearing makeup this time.

[tuejmccoy]

David Gaider wrote...

tuejmccoy wrote...

for me at least.

I mean both Hawke(if not mage) and the Warden were at Ostagar. While Warden was incapacitated, woke up next morning (or evening, cant tell for sure) and then went to Lorthering from the Korcari Wilds, which are further away from Lothering than Ostagar.
She arrived in Lothering in no hurry, killed some bandits, who misstook her mage robes for the uniform of the local brothel, killed more bandits, bears, spiders, darkspawn, made some traps, some posion, some health potions, intimdated nuns, started a bar fight, recruited Ms. Stabbity and sten a.s.o. And at this point the occupants of Lothering were still uncertain about their options, discusing them in front of the chantry. Noone was in a hurry to leave, some were more concerned about some pests on their fields more than bout the darkspawn. Hell the nuns were still preaching in the chantry.

Meanwhile Hawke was RUNNING since Ostagar, arrived barely in time to grab his/her mother and sister and flee the immidiate darkspawn danger. The darkspawn didnt only had time to flatten Lothering but also to blight-o-form the lands.

TL;DR: The timelines of events in both stories seem to diiffer quiet much

"Running since Ostagar" is not the same as "we ran directly here after the battle".

They (or simply Carver) got there as soon as they could, while evading darkspawn, and arrived well after the Warden (who, at this point in time, would have been completing his/her first major world quest). I suppose we could have Carver and/or the player stop and outline exactly what they've been up to since Ostagar, but I'm not sure who that would be of interest to aside from people who like to call everything that isn't explicitly explained to them a plothole.

Ouch...
I hope by those "people with a plothole-fetish" you don't mean me, because I just wanted to point out some info, which didn't add up for me. Creating this thread, I thought someone would point out some info, i missed, or a writer would throw in a bit of new info or at least some: 
"I know, what happened, and it's awesome, but I won't tell you. D.G."

So does this mean, that nothing of importance happened between his/their flight from Ostagar and his/their arrival home or that the revelation of this info wouldn't serve any purpose at this point , but it's going to be revealed including some mindblowing plottwists (the origin of carver-Hawke-rivalry predestination???)?

BTW: Did Flemeth really had an "appointment" after saving Hawke(s) or did she just tell that to enjoy some Morrigan-free time somewhere nice?

[KenKenpachi]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Lothering was destroyed however after the Warden gains her first allies in the war against the Blight, it's possible the Hawke family didn't start running until after the warden had already left for whatever reason. Maybe Carver and Hawke dawlded or were severally injured and saved by Chasid and couldn't get out of the Wilds/Ostagar for a while like what happened to Fergus in noble origin.

THIS

Even in bad weather or even an enemy Army, many people won't just get up and go. All we know mama Hawke might have not wanted to leave till the Darkspawn were bruning the town, I'm guessing the Hawke Family lives on the outskirts or out of town and thus where bypassed and cut off from the north by the horde.

[Heather Cline]

The fact is Lothering gets destroyed after the Warden leaves. The moment you start questing at any of the 4 locations to gather allies is when Lothering bites the dust. So use your imagination. Lilacs pretty much said everything else I needed to say.

[nijnij]

How about keeper Marethari, when did Flemeth learn about her clan's whereabouts ? If they're in the Free Marches when Hawke runs into Flemet, that would mean they must have left right after the Dalish warden's departure to Ostagar, considering how long the distance is. Is this what happened ?

[LadyBri]

Moondoggie wrote...

Roc331 wrote...

I'm pretty sure The Warden got to Lothering first, thanks to morrigan's knowledge. I'm assuming Carver and Hawke had a rougher time, dodging dark spawn and all. As for the scenery, it reminds me of redcliff, geography does change, and they where heading south twords the horde. Maybe the corruption kills the plants?

The blight kills all life and turns everything to a bleak wasteland which is why everything looks like "Mars" as some people put it.

Excellent points - and let's not forget how quickly the horde can lay waste to Denerim before the final battle making it totally blighted with fire, general destruction, and those weird fleshy growth things cropping up everywhere and all of that happened in a couple days

[Heather Cline]

Nijnij uh... yeah in the Dalish origin story Keeper Marethari stated she was moving the clan north before your character leaves with Duncan. It is generally assumed that once you leave they pull up stakes and head north to the free marches. Which means that would take some time and of course Flemeth being what she is would know lots of things. Remember she is an ancient being referred to as an immortal so it stands to reason that she would know Keeper Marethari and where the Dalish went.

[ThatDancingTurian]

They had to wait for Mama Hawke to cure meats for the road, obviously. Can't have a road trip without jerky.

[nijnij]

Makes sense, I remember now (I only played Dalish once) ! Thanks.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I know why it took so long for them to get out out lothering, Carver was in the toilet

[Addai]

Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Flemeth's appointment I take to be the Warden coming to confront her.

Not all Wardens will ever see Flemeth again, though.

That doesn't mean she isn't expecting you.  If you tell someone you have an appointment to keep, that can still be true as far as you're concerned even if the other person never shows up.  I take it that she and Morrigan had it planned out that Morrigan would ask the Warden to confront her, or else Flemeth was manipulating events such that she knew Morrigan would (or using the limited prescience she seems to have at times).  Like I said, the toolset indicates she knew Morrigan would send someone after her.

Of course, the appointment could have nothing to do with the Warden, but that's my guess.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 février 2011 - 05:58 .

[jshadow]

maximus660099 wrote...

I agree the demo doesnt start at the very begining of the game there is time that you spend in the village before its attacked plus if hawke and carver were in the final battle then you dont simple walk out of a massive assult you have to sneak out and evade that whole horde of darkspawn

Plus we dont know yet if he did something on the way back besides evade the horde that took up some of the time before he got home

gonna have to agree with that
when you start in demo, Carver already has some points toward Rival, while Bethany is past half of Friendly bar
so it's quite probable that they started the demo from a point where the DA:O changes wouldn't be noticed
I'm pretty sure you'll get a chance to determine the standing with your siblings

Modifié par jshadow, 24 février 2011 - 06:09 .

[Wulfram]

Addai67 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Flemeth's appointment I take to be the Warden coming to confront her.

Not all Wardens will ever see Flemeth again, though.

That doesn't mean she isn't expecting you.  If you tell someone you have an appointment to keep, that can still be true as far as you're concerned even if the other person never shows up.  I take it that she and Morrigan had it planned out that Morrigan would ask the Warden to confront her, or else Flemeth was manipulating events such that she knew Morrigan would (or using the limited prescience she seems to have at times).  Like I said, the toolset indicates she knew Morrigan would send someone after her.

Of course, the appointment could have nothing to do with the Warden, but that's my guess.

I don't get the impression that Flemeth is allowed to ever be wrong.  Whatever your PC does, everything is proceeding as she has foreseen.

[nightcobra]

Addai67 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Flemeth's appointment I take to be the Warden coming to confront her.

Not all Wardens will ever see Flemeth again, though.

That doesn't mean she isn't expecting you.  If you tell someone you have an appointment to keep, that can still be true as far as you're concerned even if the other person never shows up.  I take it that she and Morrigan had it planned out that Morrigan would ask the Warden to confront her, or else Flemeth was manipulating events such that she knew Morrigan would (or using the limited prescience she seems to have at times).  Like I said, the toolset indicates she knew Morrigan would send someone after her.

Of course, the appointment could have nothing to do with the Warden, but that's my guess.

since flemmeth was the one who taught morrigan everything she knows i'd say she was expecting a betrayal from her since the very start of the adventure, maybe even counting on it. (this isn't her first daughter anyway, some might have done the same).