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[Rawrness13]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Flemeth's appointment I take to be the Warden coming to confront her.

And if everyone played the last DLC of DAO (otherwise this would be a spoiler... oops), then they must realize that Flemeth expected to be killed or at we believed she died until that last bit of the DLC when Morrigan said, "She is not even human" and that Flemeth had far bigger plans.  I trust therefore that Flemeth shall play a major role in the whole storyline or at least play the "puppet master" for the whole game, pulling strings behind the shadows.

Now as for the story of DA2 linking with DA1, I actually understood the flow.  I agree with a fellow forumer who posted earlier that we do need to make inferences. :happy:

Not all Wardens will ever see Flemeth again, though.

That doesn't mean she isn't expecting you.  If you tell someone you have an appointment to keep, that can still be true as far as you're concerned even if the other person never shows up.  I take it that she and Morrigan had it planned out that Morrigan would ask the Warden to confront her, or else Flemeth was manipulating events such that she knew Morrigan would (or using the limited prescience she seems to have at times).  Like I said, the toolset indicates she knew Morrigan would send someone after her.

Of course, the appointment could have nothing to do with the Warden, but that's my guess.

since flemmeth was the one who taught morrigan everything she knows i'd say she was expecting a betrayal from her since the very start of the adventure, maybe even counting on it. (this isn't her first daughter anyway, some might have done the same).

[JamesX]

tuejmccoy wrote...

for me at least.

I mean both Hawke(if not mage) and the Warden were at Ostagar. While Warden was incapacitated, woke up next morning (or evening, cant tell for sure) and then went to Lorthering from the Korcari Wilds, which are further away from Lothering than Ostagar.

At the time of DA2, Lotherine is already sacked.  That means The Warden have already completed 1 of the 3 branches of the main quest (Red Cliff, Dalish Elves, or Ozarmar), they are seperated by months of time.

tuejmccoy wrote...
She arrived in Lothering in no hurry, killed some bandits, who misstook her mage robes for the uniform of the local brothel, killed more bandits, bears, spiders, darkspawn, made some traps, some posion, some health potions, intimdated nuns, started a bar fight, recruited Ms. Stabbity and sten a.s.o. And at this point the occupants of Lothering were still uncertain about their options, discusing them in front of the chantry. Noone was in a hurry to leave, some were more concerned about some pests on their fields more than bout the darkspawn. Hell the nuns were still preaching in the chantry.

Lotherine is already sacked at that point.  Sten is dead with a spear in his gutt if you left him there.  Nuns have already retreated with the Templers long before the Dark Spawns got there.

The peasants got the shaft.

And even in DAO, everyone with the means to already left.  It is mainly those without money or resources who are stuck.  The templer already packed most of their stuff and sent them on their way.  Only a few remaining to finish up the process.  You get all this just talking to people around town.

Again, Lotherine wasn't sacked for at least a month after you left.  (though technically you can visit Lotherine, then immedige to finish the last part of any of the 3 main quests) and it will be instant sacked, but that is just a game mechanic, and not the way it went down in "reality".

tuejmccoy wrote...
Meanwhile Hawke was RUNNING since Ostagar, arrived barely in time to grab his/her mother and sister and flee the immidiate darkspawn danger. The darkspawn didnt only had time to flatten Lothering but also to blight-o-form the lands.

It took Hawke probably months to get to Lotherine, there is no evidence that his/her mother and sister lived in Lotherine Proper.  Lotherine is a focal point for all the farms and homesteads in the area, and the center of all refugees.  For all we know Hawke's family lived on an isolated farm 20 miles outside of Lotherine and thats how they managed to survive the sacking.  Then the had to hide in a cave for another 2-3 weeks while Dark Spawn rampaged the countryside before Hawke and Carver found them.  etc. etc.  

Modifié par JamesX, 24 février 2011 - 06:43 .

[Vulion]

Obviously the Warden had access to Air Flemeth (The Safest Way to Travel) and then gain the services of Park Ranger Morrigan.



Meanwhile Hawke and Carver are stumbling through a wilderness they probably never entered before and also have to avoid Darkspawn without the aid of Grey Warden senses.

[JamesX]

Vulion wrote...

Meanwhile Hawke and Carver are stumbling through a wilderness they probably never entered before and also have to avoid Darkspawn without the aid of Grey Warden senses.

The Gray Wardens are actually worse off than Hawke and Carver.  Dark Spawns can sense them as readily as they sense Dark Spawns.

The were way ahead of the dark spawn horde - thus travelling on the Tarvinter High Way - mainly because Morrigan's guidance, she knows the Wild.

[David Gaider]

tuejmccoy wrote...
I hope by those "people with a plothole-fetish" you don't mean me, because I just wanted to point out some info, which didn't add up for me.

No, I mean people who prefer to have everything explained to them, and without that they seek out reasons why something couldn't happen the way it does rather than reasons it could. Whether you're part of that group, I don't really know.
 

So does this mean, that nothing of importance happened between his/their flight from Ostagar and his/their arrival home or that the revelation of this info wouldn't serve any purpose at this point , but it's going to be revealed including some mindblowing plottwists (the origin of carver-Hawke-rivalry predestination???)?

I meant that nothing happened which was relevant to you fleeing from the darkspawn, at which point a discussion of recent history would only serve to slow down the action.

BTW: Did Flemeth really had an "appointment" after saving Hawke(s) or did she just tell that to enjoy some Morrigan-free time somewhere nice?

Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you.

[The Elder King]

David Gaider wrote...

tuejmccoy wrote...
BTW: Did Flemeth really had an "appointment" after saving Hawke(s) or
did she just tell that to enjoy some Morrigan-free time somewhere nice?

Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

Nah. She obviously knew that the Warden is coming to ger her head

[LadyBri]

David Gaider wrote...

 

BTW: Did Flemeth really had an "appointment" after saving Hawke(s) or did she just tell that to enjoy some Morrigan-free time somewhere nice?

Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you.

Now THIS interests me...here I thought that Flemeth's appointment was her future meeting and fight with the Warden and company...now, I am wondering what else she might have been up to:)

[hawat333]

David Gaider wrote...
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Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you. 

Awesome? She has pressed a button, hasn't she?

[dreman9999]

Your problem is you thing of what  happened in Lothering and  close Flemiths hut is to lothering compaired to Ostagar.  We don't know how long they were in Ostager and the warden had a ride to flemiths hut which is  a few hours from Lothering. Plus, we don't know how lonh the Hawkes were in Lothing. They also, left late.

[Wulfram]

Of course, Fergus Cousland took the whole of DA:O to get to Denerim.

[DieHigh2012]

BloodRaith wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

If you play a warrior or rogue, Hawke was as Ostagar.

BloodRaith wrote...

Do we know if theres any chance that maybe like the jump from Flemeth to Kirkwall, there might be more to the prologue before we start playing? They do mention waiting too long before leaving Lothering, maybe we find out exactly why?

Given that the exaggerated bit starts exactly where the non-exaggerated bit does (and we know the exaggerated bit starts the story), I'm going to assume it's the real beginning of the game.

The bit after Flemeth helps them is obviously nothing like the game.

I meant after the exagerrated bit, but just before where we start the real story. I only ask because Varric gives a little speech thats animates similarly to the bit that tells about the boat trip to kirkwall. I'm not expecting any kind of large extention of the opening or whatever, but i thought maybe they skipped a little to get down to business for the demo, you know?

That was my take on it aswell.

[Pzykozis]

David Gaider wrote...

Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you.

Calling it right now, she's off to meet the PC of the third game! The old gal gets about a bit no?

I would say it would seem inconsistant, but meh, I'll just pretend the Hawke brothers run like  Sir Lancelot and only arrive when they should.

[Heather Cline]

Flemeth wouldn't have appeared to fem or male hawke just as Morrigan left with the Warden for Lothering. I believe she would appear to him/her after they left Lothering. Because Lothering didn't get attacked by the darkspawn until after the warden left the tiny hamlet.



But I'd love to see Flemeth in action as a friend instead of a foe. She's full of awesome and win.

[HolyJellyfish]

I imagine fighting the darkspawn if you aren't a grey warden (Carver, Aveline, Wesley, Hawke, etc.) is a very slow and tedious process. You have to be careful not to get tainted. How people become infected hasn't been outlined, but I imagine it involves an open wound and blood, or being forced to eat / drink darkspawn blood.



So I can understand why it would take Carver & Hawke a lengthy amount of time to get to back to Lothering from Ostagar. Its not like Alistair and the Warden, where they can detect the movements of the Darkspawn and just hankly dankly attack them left and right while slapping healing poultices on wounds. There are more levels of cautious activity a-brew, lest they become infected or trapped.

[Dr. wonderful]

David Gaider wrote...

tuejmccoy wrote...
I hope by those "people with a plothole-fetish" you don't mean me, because I just wanted to point out some info, which didn't add up for me.

No, I mean people who prefer to have everything explained to them, and without that they seek out reasons why something couldn't happen the way it does rather than reasons it could. Whether you're part of that group, I don't really know.
 

So does this mean, that nothing of importance happened between his/their flight from Ostagar and his/their arrival home or that the revelation of this info wouldn't serve any purpose at this point , but it's going to be revealed including some mindblowing plottwists (the origin of carver-Hawke-rivalry predestination???)?

I meant that nothing happened which was relevant to you fleeing from the darkspawn, at which point a discussion of recent history would only serve to slow down the action.

BTW: Did Flemeth really had an "appointment" after saving Hawke(s) or did she just tell that to enjoy some Morrigan-free time somewhere nice?

Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you.

I know where she went after leaving Hawke and Co, at the Docks.

She went to a nearby Farm and stole a cow, gave it to a hungry family but didn't  tell them the Cow was possed by a demon, waited a couple of months so that the warden could kill her, stole the body of the elder daughter from the demon cow family and then she went to Kirkwall,


Oh and the cow? The demon simply talks about cheese, to the annoyance to of the Farmer's wife.


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Of course, this was just padding.

[MasterSamson88]

hhh89 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

tuejmccoy wrote...
BTW: Did Flemeth really had an "appointment" after saving Hawke(s) or
did she just tell that to enjoy some Morrigan-free time somewhere nice?

Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

Nah. She obviously knew that the Warden is coming to ger her head

That's what instantly came to my mind too when she said appointment. I figured she had either fortold or percieved that the Warden would come for her. 

[LoneStalker]

hawat333 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
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Could be. It might also be awesome, and I'm just not going to tell you. 

Awesome? She has pressed a button, hasn't she?

I almost choked!  

[Dark-sider77]

Carver, and possibly Hawke did not have the luxury of knowing where big darkspawn groups were. They were generaly running blind, trying to avoid darkspawn when they had no idea where they might be. In the demo the Hawke family was actually going toward the horde untill Aveline told them the way was cut off. Carver and Hawke had probably been cut off and detoured so many times that it took weeks to reach Lothering.

Meanwhile, the Warden and company were able to sense darkspawn, Origins shows it isnt a precise ability, small groups can still get teh drop on you. Yet, wardens generally know when big darkpawn groups are near, which means they can easily take the appropriate steps to avoid them.

Oh, and at least on the warden's journy to Lothering, Flemith may have given the warden her special plot armor grade protection, just like the kind she offers Hawke at the end of the demo.

[Lirea Dragonage]

I don't know if someone else said this but in a codex it said it took a month for Carver to return from the battle at Ostagar. So he didn't exactly shoot back home while the Warden was being saved by Flemeth. This is only in a codex if you're a mage I think.

[DreGregoire]

Well first off Hawke and Family did not depart Lothering until after it was burned to the ground by darkspawn which is after one finished main event in Origins (possibly after redcliffe if that's the big first one you did). So it does not matter how long ago Carver or Carver and Hawke elder son left Ostagar. Also the Hawkes did not have the advantage of having a darkspawn detector with them so they would have likely run into and had to fight their way through many battles whereas the wardens and Morrigan could move quicker to Lothering than them.

heh, just my opinion

Modifié par DreGregoire, 24 février 2011 - 08:20 .

[0x30A88]

Galad22 wrote...

It seems da2 prologue is based on different planet, or some place that has been bombed with nuclear bombs. Can't really see how they can explain it away.

A blight is a time of withering, seems quite normal that Lothering is rendered a wasteland soem days after the warden's departure.

[Wulfram]

Lirea Dragonage wrote...

I don't know if someone else said this but in a codex it said it took a month for Carver to return from the battle at Ostagar. So he didn't exactly shoot back home while the Warden was being saved by Flemeth. This is only in a codex if you're a mage I think.

IIRC it's one month from when they left home/joined the army, not one month from the battle

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 février 2011 - 08:19 .

[Lirea Dragonage]

Wulfram wrote...

Lirea Dragonage wrote...

I don't know if someone else said this but in a codex it said it took a month for Carver to return from the battle at Ostagar. So he didn't exactly shoot back home while the Warden was being saved by Flemeth. This is only in a codex if you're a mage I think.

IIRC it's one month from when they left home/joined the army, not one month from the battle

aaah I see

[heretica]

It makes perfect sense in my head