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[ComTrav]

"Whiny little turd" is accurate but maybe a little simplistic. I think he uses the Whiny Little Turd act to get out of trouble to continue his Evil Blood Magic.

[Narachi]

Why? Because everything he does ends up being wrong and regretting it? I feel sorry for the poor man how everything turns out for him really..

I somehow don't think it's an act...by playing the mage origin I really don't think so

Modifié par Narachi, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:01 .

[Never]

i felt sorry for him until like the 3rd time you hear about him hurting people with his blood magic. repentent my @ss

[Wintermist]

"I Last time I stabbed someone in the heart he died... but that surely can't happen every time... I'm sure of it"



"I'm sorry... I'm so sorry... I'll never do it again"



"Maybe if I stab him in the heart with another dagger, must have been my old dagger... I'm sure it was..."

[Nyysjan]

That's somewhat overly long description of Jowan, just call him a looser and you'll get it right, but yeah, whiny little turd is accurate.

playing a mage. my first play through, just got to landsmeet, betrayed him during origin and told the arl to send him to mage circle (nobody got killed during while getting rid of the demon in the boy, altough the codex says the mother died, probably because i went into fade before circle tower for the BM spec and then reloaded), wonder how it'll end up.



Really wish i could just tell him he's an idiot and leave him and the girl on their own devices in the mage origin.

[ComTrav]

Also have bug on codex with mother dying. On two different playthroughs, saving her each time.



Next playthrough she's toast. How dare the Arlessa defy the codex!

[Rattleface]

Hah, I love Jowan. He's probably one of my favorite characters in the game.

[Maria Caliban]

mynameisdanza wrote...

i felt sorry for him until like the 3rd time you hear about him hurting people with his blood magic. repentent my @ss

I played a human noble. Met him the first time in Redcliffe where he was in trouble not for blood magic but regular poisoning. He offered to help me via blood magic, but I said no, and later sent him to the Circle.

I actually never heard of him hurting anyone with his blood magic.

[Never]

well in the mage origin he blows a bunch of people up.

i was wrong about redcliffe, it was just the regular poison, not blood magic. sorry i guess i just meant hurting people in general

after redcliffe i suggested that he be given to the circle to deal with. later on, while in arl howe's dungeon, i met a templar who had been guarding him when he blew people up again and escaped. i suppose that wouldn't have bothered me, except he seemed so sincere about accepting responsibility for what he had done earlier.

[Never]

i completely agree. that's why i felt sorry for him even as i was getting ready to hand him over to the circle. but after meeting the poor templar in howe's dungeon i just thought, ok enough is enough.i'll try to pick a different fate for him next play through

[Angloow]

His voice... His... Everything! So damned whiny! He just makes me want to punch him in the face.

[Nyaore]

Elphabas_hat wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

well in the mage origin he blows a bunch of people up.
i was wrong about redcliffe, it was just the regular poison, not blood magic. sorry i guess i just meant hurting people in general
after redcliffe i suggested that he be given to the circle to deal with. later on, while in arl howe's dungeon, i met a templar who had been guarding him when he blew people up again and escaped. i suppose that wouldn't have bothered me, except he seemed so sincere about accepting responsibility for what he had done earlier.

I don't really have a problem with him not wanting to be made tranquil, in fact I can understand and sympathize with that. But I just wish he wasn't so whiny about it every time he gets caught. I guess I feel that if he has the guts to practice an illegal kind of magic then he should have more spine when it comes to defending what he does. Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense actually. Frankly I found the man to be rather spineless as well all things considered. He's willing to learn a forbidden magic and even use it on actual people, and yet he wasn't willing to see that his actions would have consequences until they came back and bit him in the ass. Then when someone actually catches him doing something wrong he immediately starts blubbering about the whole ordeal. The only reason he was going to be be made tranquil in the first place was because he dabbled in that forbidden magic as well. If you're going to do something that's called 'forbidden' for a reason the least you can do is be prepared for everything that choice will entail.

Jowan's essentially a naive idiot who never seems to learn from his previous mistakes in life. I normally enjoy flawed characters like him, but he just pissed me off when I was playing... Especially when he approached my mage after the Harrowing and tried to drag me into his little schemes. Maybe it's because I knew about his involvement with that templar during the later half of the game before I played the Mages Origin, but I frankly could not bring myself to feel sorry for the bastard when I told Irving about him. Either way he got caught though. *Shrugs*

Modifié par Nyaore, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:11 .

[Rattleface]

Elphabas_hat wrote...

Rattleface wrote...

Hah, I love Jowan. He's probably one of my favorite characters in the game.

Please elaborate. I'd love to know why you like him so much, or were you being sarcastic?

Nope, was being completely truthful.  But... dang, I really can't elaborate on why I like him.  I just do, I guess.

[Majspuffen]

Whiny? Perhaps, but didn't he have a reason? Jowan was to be made tranquil. What would you have done to avoid that? I'm not sure how Jowan got into blood magic, but I think it was out of curiosity. I only saw him use blood magic to defend himself. He also wanted to use it to help save Connor. He seems like a nice man. A nice man with bad luck. He'd even go into the fade and save Connor himself if you ask him to.



I wish there was a fourth option, other than killing him, letting him go or send him to the mages. I'd recruit him if I could, keep an eye on him. After all, if you start as a mage, you and Jowan had been friends for a long time. If you have a friend irl that's taking drugs, would you turn your back on him or help him?

[Wintermist]

Thinking about the PC Noble start, he had his parents killed, home destroyed and still doesn't whine about it. Jowan didn't get tranquil, he got away, he should be one happy joker.

[Madlax27]

Majspuffen wrote...

 He'd even go into the fade and save Connor himself if you ask him to.

 

Which btw is a pain in the rear on Hard difficulty if you let him Redeem himself...

[ComTrav]

Madlax27 wrote...

Majspuffen wrote...

 He'd even go into the fade and save Connor himself if you ask him to.

 

Which btw is a pain in the rear on Hard difficulty if you let him Redeem himself...

Really? Is he like, totally rubbish in the Fade? (Is befits a mage that might not pass the Harrowing?)

[Gill Kaiser]

ComTrav wrote...

"Whiny little turd" is accurate but maybe a little simplistic. I think he uses the Whiny Little Turd act to get out of trouble to continue his Evil Blood Magic.

I really don't think Jowan is evil. Yes, he's kind of weak-willed, whiny and lies to you about practicing blood magic, but a criminal mastermind he ain't. I believed him when said he was going to marry Lily and give up magic, and I think it's only when he gets caught, loses Lily and has to go on the run that he starts making more bad decisions. In my mind he's kind of a tragic figure.

In my mage playthrough, I gave him to the Circle after Connor was saved. Do we ever get told his fate? My intention was that he be punished but not executed or made tranquil. I was hoping there would be the option to send him to the mage prison.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 15 novembre 2009 - 03:19 .

[Hizuka]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

"Whiny little turd" is accurate but maybe a little simplistic. I think he uses the Whiny Little Turd act to get out of trouble to continue his Evil Blood Magic.

I really don't think Jowan is evil. Yes, he's kind of weak-willed, whiny and lies to you about practicing blood magic, but a criminal mastermind he ain't. I believed him when said he was going to marry Lily and give up magic, and I think it's only when he gets caught, loses Lily and has to go on the run that he starts making more bad decisions. In my mind he's kind of a tragic figure.

In my mage playthrough, I gave him to the Circle after Connor was saved. Do we ever get told his fate? My intention was that he be punished but not executed or made tranquil. I was hoping there would be the option to send him to the mage prison.

He attacks the templars escorting him back to the Circle, killing some and injuring others, and escapes.  You'll meet one of the survivors imprisoned in Arl Howe's dungeon later on.

[SupidSeep]

What I understand from the Mage Origin is the Circle of Magi considered Jowan unlikely to pass the Harrowing and was arranging for him to be made Tranquil. Jowan got wind of it through Lily of the Chantry and wanted to escape that fate. He had earlier dabbled in Blood Magic because he wanted a easy route to success/power.



Late in the plot, we learn that he was tracked down by the Templars but was saved and forced to poison Arl Eamon by Logain. Can't qualified him as evil, he was just an idiot being used.



I never would have let him loose considering all that he has done, but I don't believe in having him killed outright. Therefore I turned him over to the Circle - they would probably made him Tranquil but at least he would live and maybe get to say farewell to Lily.