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[Maziou]

I really hate when developers take a beloved game and decide to make a sequel that feels like a cheap cashing in of the original.  This is one of those instances.

I mean why would you create a sequel with inferior graphics to the original?  What is the reasoning for that?  Why take a game with strong RPG elements, and make a sequel that plays out more like an action game?  It's like how Paramount tried to make Star Trek cool again by making Kirk a 20-something and skipping all the dialog that makes it a space opera.

When you try to "mainstream" a series that didn't start as mainstream, then you just lose the people who really loved the original; and the mainstream won't touch it, because they relate the sequel to the original game that they never considered playing.

Couldn't you have just made this game and given it a different title, with no lore references to Dragon Age?

If you're not willing to put in the time to make a sequel that lives up to its predecessor (and don't pretend this is an attempt to do just that), then please just move on to a different project.

[StormbringerGT]

I like the way game turned out (well the demo, as I haven't gotten access to the full game). You don't.

Sound like differences in opinion to me.

[frostserpant]

I agree with you op. I'm still buying the game though. I pre-ordered and it is way too much of a hassle to cancel it.

[silver-crescent]

Because sequels aren't supposed to be exactly like their predecessors. Yes shocking I know.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

It's amazing how many people have already played the full game, considering it's not out yet.



I mean, surely you aren't basing these statements on a half-assed demo with most graphical options disabled, skill trees and inventory locked and the prologue and a later mission hastely knitted together... right.

[Malevolence65]

If you think that DA2 has worse graphics, you're blind.

[Aliceface]

I agree with Malevolence. I mean, you can dislike the graphical -style-, sure, but that doesn't make the graphics worse.

[DarthCaine]

Because sequels sell better

[String910]

I like the graphics of DA2 more then the ones in DAO.

The RPG elements are not as good as they were in DAO but that doesn't mean that DA2 is a bad game. Look at how much ME1 is an RPG and at how much ME2 isn't an RPG. And still ME2 was far better then ME1.

[Nonoru]

Bioware can do whatever they want of their game series,it's theirs.



And no graphically it wasn't inferior to Origins.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I don't get it too. Have't DA:O made enough money for them to pursue old-school approach instead? Did't developers encouraged everyone that they can do an old-school game which will be enjoyable by angry nerds like me and young console bloods both? An RPG of the year, tons of fanart, girls dressing like dalish elves - was't it enough to pursue goal of making even smarter and tougher game? I don't get it, was't DA:O a sucess then, if a new, action-packed slasher is what we get instead of all around improved and larger working-on-mistakes DA?
Me puzzled, me sad.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 24 février 2011 - 11:33 .

[Amioran]

Maziou wrote...

I really hate when developers take a beloved game and decide to make a sequel that feels like a cheap cashing in of the original.  This is one of those instances.

Play the demo a little more. You will find that the gameplay is almost exactly the same. It just takes some time to adjust to it. After, you will probably think this about DAO instead of DA2.

Don't be so biased about change, give it a chance. Trying to keep the status quo is one of the greatest defect of humanity, and what causes the most trouble. Wars, resources' starvation, razisms etc. are all because of this wanting to keep the status quo at all costs.

Modifié par Amioran, 24 février 2011 - 11:34 .

[Black-Xero]

How would you know if the game has less RPGs elements? The combat has nothing to do with how much RPG elements it has.I also think that DAII exceeds beyond Origins.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

I don't get it too. Have't DA:O made enough money for them to pursue old-school approach instead? Did't developers encouraged everyone that they can do an old-school game which will be enjoyable by angry nerds like me and young console bloods both? An RPG of the year, tons of fanart, girls dressing like dalish elves - was't it enough to pursue goal of making even smarter and tougher game? I don't get it, was't DA:O a sucess then, if a new, action-packed slasher is what we get instead of all around improved and larger working-on-mistakes DA?
Me puzzled, me sad.

And I don't get YOU. How can you already conclude that this game is inferior to DAO, just because the combat LOOKS BETTER and goes FASTER? Does improvement of gameplay automatically sap other aspects of a game? Why can't it be both?

[StormbringerGT]

DarthCaine wrote...

Because sequels sell better

And because when a business makes money, its bad?

[NiHau]

String910 wrote...

I like the graphics of DA2 more then the ones in DAO.
The RPG elements are not as good as they were in DAO but that doesn't mean that DA2 is a bad game. Look at how much ME1 is an RPG and at how much ME2 isn't an RPG. And still ME2 was far better then ME1.

NO DUDE it wasn't bether ... lol get real Fan service over the game ?

[Ninotchka]

Amioran wrote...

Trying to keep the status quo is one of the greatest defect of humanity, and what causes the most trouble. Wars, resources' starvation, razisms etc. are all because of this wanting to keep the status quo at all costs.

Woah

Are you really talking about humans here? Because this sounds exactly like my three felines... status quo at all costs!!!

[Maziou]

You know perfectly well the graphics are inferior. They are less detailed, with inferior texture work and geometric details, as the examples below illustrate.



Picture of ogre from DA:O

http://tattlerextra....on-Age-Ogre.jpg



Picture of ogre from DA2

http://dragonage.wik...-screenshot.jpg



And before you say, "Graphics aren't everything", nobody disputes that, but taking a step back in any aspect of the game, is a sign of laziness, and a desire to rush out a cash-in at the expense of professional integrity.

[Wintermist]

I see where this comes from. The DEMO gives a show of being dumbed down hack'n'slash because you don't get to experience the more RPG elements I'm guessing will be in the full game.

[Maelora]

I admit, their lack of faith in DAO's good qualities is surprising.

The anime combat really turns me off.

Also, this only seems to happen to RPGs. I don't play many games, so does anyone know if any other genre has sequels that were drastic, major shifts in direction? I mean, people who buy Gears of War 3, for example, don't worry that ttheir game is suddenly going to be turned into a platformer or a talky, conversation-heavy RPG....

Modifié par Maelora, 24 février 2011 - 11:41 .

[NiHau]

Maziou wrote...

You know perfectly well the graphics are inferior. They are less detailed, with inferior texture work and geometric details, as the examples below illustrate.

Picture of ogre from DA:O
http://tattlerextra....on-Age-Ogre.jpg

Picture of ogre from DA2
http://dragonage.wik...-screenshot.jpg

And before you say, "Graphics aren't everything", nobody disputes that, but taking a step back in any aspect of the game, is a sign of laziness, and a desire to rush out a cash-in at the expense of professional integrity.

i totaly agree wit you  seriusly.. wtf?

[keginkc]

Maziou wrote...

When you try to "mainstream" a series that didn't start as mainstream, then you just lose the people who really loved the original; and the mainstream won't touch it, because they relate the sequel to the original game that they never considered playing.

I'm with you man, 110%.  It's just like Mass Effect.  BioWare really dropped the ball on that one.  Tried to streamline a perfect game to give it higher quality and a wider appeal, but it just didn't work.  It fell flat on its face with the mainstream.  Nobody bought it, and those few lost souls who did hated it.  They should've left well enough alone. 

Or something like that.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

just because the combat LOOKS BETTER and goes FASTER?

Faster is only better when woman screams to do so or you are making porn.

Sorry, could't hold myself here :3

[Herethos]

Aliceface wrote...

I agree with Malevolence. I mean, you can dislike the graphical -style-, sure, but that doesn't make the graphics worse.

I thought armour and faces didn't have the same crisp detailed textures as in DAO but that could have been the settings I had the demo on.

[NiHau]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

just because the combat LOOKS BETTER and goes FASTER?

Faster is only better when woman screams to do so or you are making porn.
Sorry, could't hold myself here :3

man i think they yus't whant meke this someting like "mass efect" you will se in DA3 if it comes out ..
action action,blow that kill that yeah 

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 11:45 .