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[Sabiancym]

Sinvx wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

Honestly, only thing I see changed, is the dialogue wheel, the UI, and combat faster, with better animations to get you excited about playing. As to the traditional, swing ever 2 seconds downwards on your enemy. I love Dragon Age : Origins, but combat gets repetive, quick.

The entire feel of the game changed.  If all the changes except for the fast animations and combat system were made, I'd be a happy camper ready to play, but they completely changed the fundamental way this game plays.

Origins was a realistic RPG combat system.  You actually had to plan for your attacks.  You had to CC something to make sure your mage doesn't get stunned before he can get his heal off.  Now, you just mash a button and it happens instantly.

I'm mad because they changed something that didn't need to be.  Dragon Age was a classic RPG  in a sea of action games.  Now it's just another action game.

They changed it for the $$$.  If they really wanted an action styles system they would've done it with the first one, it's not hard to do.  The first one was intentionally made in the style of classic RPGs.  That's what the designers wanted and I'm sure that's what they still want.  The only reason this changed is because the guys in suits told them to to make it more mainstream.

[tez19]

Elsariel wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

I'm on these forums because I love Dragon Age and am excited for DA2.  Why are YOU here?

THIS.
Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

[Sabiancym]

Dubya75 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is what it is. If you don't like it (OP) then simply don't play it.
I don't go around ****ing about games I don't like. I simply don't play them. They may be very good games, but it does not mean I should like them because others do.
But to go around slagging games off like this is just out of order, especially based on wooly arguments.

[Edit] and true to form, OP seems to have disappeared.

That may be true for original games.  But once you've invested time into a franchise only to have what you loved about it stripped away I think you have a right to voice your dis-satisfaction.

I'm sure if they made it harder and more strategic you'd have people galore complaining that it wasn't dumb enough for them and that they wanted it easier.

[Sabiancym]

tez19 wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

I'm on these forums because I love Dragon Age and am excited for DA2.  Why are YOU here?

THIS.
Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

Because I want the game changed.....I thought that was obvious..

[aridor1570]

And why do you think it will change? it's gone gold.

[Sabiancym]

aridor1570 wrote...

And why do you think it will change? it's gone gold.

I don't, but there's hope for 3.

[Elsariel]

Sabiancym wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

I'm on these forums because I love Dragon Age and am excited for DA2.  Why are YOU here?

THIS.
Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

Because I want the game changed.....I thought that was obvious..

Little late for that, dont you think?

[Emloch]

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't believe that RPGs are exclusively defined by gameplay. I would use DAO and Fallout NV as examples. Their gameplay and combat mechanics are vastly different, but neither of them is less of an RPG.

Yes, however, there are core elements, found in both of these games, which make them good RPG's.

character customization - you pick and choose skills, abilities as you see fit

inventory management: - you can equip and use what you choose, or strive toward gaining the abilitiy to equip the item

DA2 is much more restictive than DA:O. It's becomng more of an action game than an RPG.

The RPG genre is founded on the grandfather of all RPG's; Dungeons and Dragons (pen and paper). The genre is supposed to be about feedom of choice; to play the hero you want to play, with few, if any restrictions. From it's transition to video games, developers did their best to mimic this freedom. For awhile, this was the case, but as popularity in video games has increased, developers are now striving to appeal to the masses (being a business and all). As a result, the RPG genre is slowly evolving into an action/adventure sub-genre. For someone like me, it's disheartening in a way.

[tez19]

Sabiancym wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

I'm on these forums because I love Dragon Age and am excited for DA2.  Why are YOU here?

THIS.
Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

Because I want the game changed.....I thought that was obvious..

And some people don't want the game changed and are defending it against you. I thought that was obvious.

[Laiin]

NiHau
Do you know what an RPG is?

It is a:
Role - You are Hawke
Playing - You control Hawke and make decisions for him/her
Game - Set of rules for combat, increasing your characters abilities usually but not exclusively  through experience and interaction with the world and non-player characters created by a person or group.

Dragon Age 2 is a RPG. Role playing games have NOTHING to do with reality 90% of the time. You think you hit with your weapon too fast?

I think we can agree that Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing game?
In 3rd edition DnD you can:

Hit a target 4 times in 6 seconds with a 2 hander or main hand weapon at high levels, with two weapon fighting feats you can increase that to 7 times. You can also draw your weapons (quick draw feat) and make a 5ft adjustment. You can split that attack to any number of targets in range (use your 5ft adjustment in the middle of a full attack) and the character is assumed to be parrying, blocking and dodging incoming attacks during this time. That does not include other feats and abilities like Cleave and Greater Cleave.

That is a pen and paper game.

What the game does not match is your opinion of what a Role Playing Game should be. That is a completely valid opinion and you a welcome to it but saying any Bioware game is not an rpg is only correct if you mean a Rocket Propelled Grenade.


Much

Laiin

Modifié par Laiin, 24 février 2011 - 03:28 .

[Derax]

Black-Xero wrote...

How would you know if the game has less RPGs elements? The combat has nothing to do with how much RPG elements it has.I also think that DAII exceeds beyond Origins.

^^ Thank you veery much, now I now what  target group bioware wants to address their new products to 

[Sabiancym]

tez19 wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

I'm on these forums because I love Dragon Age and am excited for DA2.  Why are YOU here?

THIS.
Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

Because I want the game changed.....I thought that was obvious..

And some people don't want the game changed and are defending it against you. I thought that was obvious.

I thought I was just a troll?

[Emloch]

Sabiancym wrote...

Sinvx wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

Honestly, only thing I see changed, is the dialogue wheel, the UI, and combat faster, with better animations to get you excited about playing. As to the traditional, swing ever 2 seconds downwards on your enemy. I love Dragon Age : Origins, but combat gets repetive, quick.

I'm mad because they changed something that didn't need to be.  Dragon Age was a classic RPG  in a sea of action games.  Now it's just another action game.

Exactly!!! I concur.

[Durang]

Ugh, what? The graphics in Origins were terrible. These are much better.

[Derax]

Sabiancym wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

And why do you think it will change? it's gone gold.

I don't, but there's hope for 3.

There is also hope for patches/mods/addons 

[XBenotto18]

[tez19]

Derax wrote...

Black-Xero wrote...

How would you know if the game has less RPGs elements? The combat has nothing to do with how much RPG elements it has.I also think that DAII exceeds beyond Origins.

^^ Thank you veery much, now I now what  target group bioware wants to address their new products to 

Yep we are all 12yr old conzole kiddiez, byeeeeeeeeeee go do something with your life instead of sitting on a forum complaining and eating cheetos.

[tez19]

Sabiancym wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

I'm on these forums because I love Dragon Age and am excited for DA2.  Why are YOU here?

THIS.
Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

Because I want the game changed.....I thought that was obvious..

And some people don't want the game changed and are defending it against you. I thought that was obvious.

I thought I was just a troll?

What does that have to do with the post you quoted? You asked why people are defending the demo against your OPINION. And I told you why.

[Nashiktal]

Sabiancym wrote...

Sinvx wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

Honestly, only thing I see changed, is the dialogue wheel, the UI, and combat faster, with better animations to get you excited about playing. As to the traditional, swing ever 2 seconds downwards on your enemy. I love Dragon Age : Origins, but combat gets repetive, quick.

The entire feel of the game changed.  If all the changes except for the fast animations and combat system were made, I'd be a happy camper ready to play, but they completely changed the fundamental way this game plays.

Origins was a realistic RPG combat system.  You actually had to plan for your attacks.  You had to CC something to make sure your mage doesn't get stunned before he can get his heal off.  Now, you just mash a button and it happens instantly.

I'm mad because they changed something that didn't need to be.  Dragon Age was a classic RPG  in a sea of action games.  Now it's just another action game.

They changed it for the $$$.  If they really wanted an action styles system they would've done it with the first one, it's not hard to do.  The first one was intentionally made in the style of classic RPGs.  That's what the designers wanted and I'm sure that's what they still want.  The only reason this changed is because the guys in suits told them to to make it more mainstream.

So I take it you got an early build ahead of everyone else, booted up nightmare mode, and found it easy to play without tactics"

[Stardusk78]

Sabiancym wrote...

Sinvx wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

I have a question.

What's worse? Complaining about a sequel changing fundamental parts of the originals gameplay?

Or

Complaining about the people complaining about the above?


Why do you people feel the need to vehemently defend this demo? I know I don't sit on forums responding to people who don't like the same things I do....so why are you?

Honestly, only thing I see changed, is the dialogue wheel, the UI, and combat faster, with better animations to get you excited about playing. As to the traditional, swing ever 2 seconds downwards on your enemy. I love Dragon Age : Origins, but combat gets repetive, quick.

The entire feel of the game world changed.  If all the changes except for the computers and electricity fast animations and combat system were made, I'd be a happy camper ready to read  play, but they completely changed the fundamental way this game plays. people read and interact with the world.

Origins was a realistic RPG combat system People used to read books instead play with computers.  You actually had to thinkplan for your attacks.  You had make an effort to learn, go to libraries, make the best use of resources available and you had to read. to CC something to make sure your mage doesn't get stunned before he can get his heal off.  Now, you just mash a button and it happens instantly. you just push a button and get instant gratification; no one can read anymore.

I'm mad  because people used to have to make an effort, now all they do is push buttons and don't learn how to think critically. they changed something that didn't need to be   Dragon Age was a classic RPG  in a sea of action games.  Books were a classic, the best way of learning and informing yourself in a sea of ignorance and poor education. Now it's just another action game.pushing another button.

They changed it money because they only want profits for the $$$.  If they really wanted to advance technology an action styles system they would've done it with the first one, it's not hard to do.  The first technology was the book. one was intentionally made in the style of classic RPGs.  That's what the teachers designers wanted and I'm sure that's what they still want.  The only reason this changed is because the guys in suits told them to to make it more mainstream.told them that computers were more mainstream and easier because you push buttons.

I weep for the loss of turning pages, for we are all button pushers now!

Fixed.

Modifié par Stardusk78, 24 février 2011 - 03:33 .

[Derax]

Laiin wrote...

NiHau
Do you know what an RPG is?

It is a:
Role - You are Hawke
Playing - You control Hawke and make decisions for him/her
Game - Set of rules for combat, increasing your characters abilities usually but not exclusively  through experience and interaction with the world and non-player characters created by a person or group.

Dragon Age 2 is a RPG. Role playing games have NOTHING to do with reality 90% of the time. You think you hit with your weapon too fast?

I think we can agree that Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing game?
In 3rd edition DnD you can:

Hit a target 4 times in 6 seconds with a 2 hander or main hand weapon at high levels, with two weapon fighting feats you can increase that to 7 times. You can also draw your weapons (quick draw feat) and make a 5ft adjustment. You can split that attack to any number of targets in range (use your 5ft adjustment in the middle of a full attack) and the character is assumed to be parrying, blocking and dodging incoming attacks during this time. That does not include other feats and abilities like Cleave and Greater Cleave.

That is a pen and paper game.

What the game does not match is your opinion of what a Role Playing Game should be. That is a completely valid opinion and you a welcome to it but saying any Bioware game is not an rpg is only correct if you mean a Rocket Propelled Grenade.


Much

Laiin

Ehhh noooo 

Let me show it for you 

From left for rpg (yesss) to right action-rpg game (noeees)

Total - RPG:  --[BG-Series]----[DA1]--------------------------[DA2]---[Diablo-Series] Total Action RPG

DA2 is in ways much more an action rpg than a rpg ^^

[nelly21]

Sabiancym wrote...

[The entire feel of the game changed.  If all the changes except for the fast animations and combat system were made, I'd be a happy camper ready to play, but they completely changed the fundamental way this game plays.

Origins was a realistic RPG combat system.  You actually had to plan for your attacks.  You had to CC something to make sure your mage doesn't get stunned before he can get his heal off.  Now, you just mash a button and it happens instantly.

I'm mad because they changed something that didn't need to be.  Dragon Age was a classic RPG  in a sea of action games.  Now it's just another action game.

They changed it for the $$$.  If they really wanted an action styles system they would've done it with the first one, it's not hard to do.  The first one was intentionally made in the style of classic RPGs.  That's what the designers wanted and I'm sure that's what they still want.  The only reason this changed is because the guys in suits told them to to make it more mainstream.

Let's ignore the fact that DA 2 has the same system because that would kill the argument immediately and sadly, I'm extremely bored at work right now. Instead, let's focus on the "realistic" comment. Realistic in what way? I have a nephew in Iraq and surprisingly, he reports that he cannot in fact stop time during combat to plan his next move. Shocking I know. So you're clearly not saying it should be realistic in terms of actual realism. So let's move on.

Do you mean realism in the sense of what would happen if Thedas is real? Perhaps this makes more sense but then I would have to slam DAO which I will not do since I adored that game as well. Instead let's focus on the demo. I implore you to spam the fireball spell at groups of darkspawn not being tanked and see how long you last. I beg you to blindly attack the ogre with you 2h Warrior or your rogue and see how long you last. Mind you, this is normal difficulty.

How realistic was it that my 2h warrior Cousland did the most damage on his parties despite having a swing slower than a sloth? How realistic was it that my Arcane Warrior could literally solo the Archdemon? How realistic was it that even though I played poorly, enough health potions could get me through even the Harvester on Nightmare?

I'm not not going to touch the change comment. They could of reaped quite a few million with a copy and paste version of DAO. Instead they spent the money on innovation. Sorry they couldn't give you the same game all over again.

Modifié par nelly21, 24 février 2011 - 03:35 .

[aridor1570]

Derax wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

And why do you think it will change? it's gone gold.

I don't, but there's hope for 3.

There is also hope for patches/mods/addons 

Yes, maybe someone can make a mod to change back the conversation back into its original and classic form and change back the UI, but I don't see it possible to change the combat, and if bioware wanted to make the game like this why would they make a patch to change all of it?

[Gosuchobo]

Laiin wrote...

NiHau
Do you know what an RPG is?

It is a:
Role - You are Hawke
Playing - You control Hawke and make decisions for him/her
Game - Set of rules for combat, increasing your characters abilities usually but not exclusively experience through and interaction with the world and non-player characters created by a person or group.

By your definition Tomb Raider, God of War and Modern Warefare are all RPG's... Just not the case.

Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Icewinds Dale, The Witcher, Gothic, KOTOR, ME1 and DA:O were RPG's.... DA2 is more of an action hack and slash with cinematics and voice acting...  

[Maconbar]

Sabiancym wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is what it is. If you don't like it (OP) then simply don't play it.
I don't go around ****ing about games I don't like. I simply don't play them. They may be very good games, but it does not mean I should like them because others do.
But to go around slagging games off like this is just out of order, especially based on wooly arguments.

[Edit] and true to form, OP seems to have disappeared.

That may be true for original games.  But once you've invested time into a franchise only to have what you loved about it stripped away I think you have a right to voice your dis-satisfaction.

I'm sure if they made it harder and more strategic you'd have people galore complaining that it wasn't dumb enough for them and that they wanted it easier.

Go back and play a character in DA:O at normal difficulty up to level 4 or so. Tell me how hard and tactical that was. I just did and I found it to be insanely easy. My mage barely took any damage and although I specced in heal at level two I haven't needed to use it through level 3.