448 réponses à ce sujet

[Drake Sigar]

tez19 wrote...

Also i do not sit on forums of games i do not like complaining and whining how the game isn't catered towards me. SO WHY ARE YOU??

That ‘complaining and whining’ you loathe so much is called criticism. I’m here because I support Bioware who have provided me with quality entertainment for over a decade. My loyalty won’t dissipate just because I don’t like certain features on their latest game. Neither can I be expected to remain silent while they pander to the teenage demographic. I hate teenagers, even back when I was one! And you’ll forgive me if I sound like I have entitlement issues when I say the least they can do is let a loyal long term customer express his opinions on their future products. Although a statue of myself would be appreciated. Preferably gold.

[NiHau]

 Laiin or wahtever self loving sign..

ahh i smell console user Huh :3 didn't i ?
wel il tell you this
when the matter goes Chose between this and that I mean "DIALOGS"You should Think what is "that" and what is "what" Not using metaphore [BAD GOOD STRONG] like images show you in DA2..secondly im not complaining about graphick details or landscape only >
[CLEARLY IF I WHANTED TO PLAY MASSEFECT I VOULD GO AND PLAY IT OK?]
yeah and the MAGES mmm:pinched: Kung fu http://farm4.static....1d3f7db9b_z.jpg
--edit oh i did forget im bad at english so dont meke sarcastic QQ-----

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 03:37 .

[rwilli80]

Maziou wrote...

You know perfectly well the graphics are inferior. They are less detailed, with inferior texture work and geometric details, as the examples below illustrate.

Picture of ogre from DA:O
http://tattlerextra....on-Age-Ogre.jpg

Picture of ogre from DA2
http://dragonage.wik...-screenshot.jpg

And before you say, "Graphics aren't everything", nobody disputes that, but taking a step back in any aspect of the game, is a sign of laziness, and a desire to rush out a cash-in at the expense of professional integrity.

I love how you are using cut scene graphics vs a screen capture of something that hasn't been fully rendered into the background. Way to twist the evidence.

[Dubya75]

Sabiancym wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is what it is. If you don't like it (OP) then simply don't play it.
I don't go around ****ing about games I don't like. I simply don't play them. They may be very good games, but it does not mean I should like them because others do.
But to go around slagging games off like this is just out of order, especially based on wooly arguments.

[Edit] and true to form, OP seems to have disappeared.

That may be true for original games.  But once you've invested time into a franchise only to have what you loved about it stripped away I think you have a right to voice your dis-satisfaction.

I'm sure if they made it harder and more strategic you'd have people galore complaining that it wasn't dumb enough for them and that they wanted it easier.

HELLO!!!! YOU'VE NOT PLAYED THE GAME YET SO HOW CAN YOU JUDGE???

[Stardusk78]

NiHau wrote...

 Laiin or wahtever self loving sign..

ahh i smell console user Huh :3 didn't i ?
wel il tell you this
when the matter goes Chose between this and that I mean "DIALOGS"You should Think what is "that" and what is "what" Not using metaphore [BAD GOOD STRONG] like images show you in DA2..secondly im not complaining about graphick details or landscape only >
[CLEARLY IF I WHANTED TO PLAY MASSEFECT I VOULD GO AND PLAY IT OK?]
yeah and the yeah mmm:pinched: Kung fu http://farm4.static....1d3f7db9b_z.jpg
--edit oh i did forget im bad at english so dont meke sarcastic QQ-----

What exactly is your native language?, I am fascinated.

[Games4ever]

Durang wrote...

Ugh, what? The graphics in Origins were terrible. These are much better.

You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.

I think this game look worse than the first.

 
 

[NiHau]

Stardusk78 wrote...

NiHau wrote...

 Laiin or wahtever self loving sign..

ahh i smell console user Huh :3 didn't i ?
wel il tell you this
when the matter goes Chose between this and that I mean "DIALOGS"You should Think what is "that" and what is "what" Not using metaphore [BAD GOOD STRONG] like images show you in DA2..secondly im not complaining about graphick details or landscape only >
[CLEARLY IF I WHANTED TO PLAY MASSEFECT I VOULD GO AND PLAY IT OK?]
yeah and the yeah mmm:pinched: Kung fu http://farm4.static....1d3f7db9b_z.jpg
--edit oh i did forget im bad at english so dont meke sarcastic QQ-----

What exactly is your native language?, I am fascinated.

i feel like someone is editing my posts ???
and im Latvian horewer i do know as you must asume Russian
and bit english and Japanese 

[Drake Sigar]

Laiin wrote...

NiHau
Do you know what an RPG is?

It is a:
Role - You are Hawke
Playing - You control Hawke and make decisions for him/her
Game - Set of rules for combat, increasing your characters abilities usually but not exclusively  through experience and interaction with the world and non-player characters created by a person or group.

Role – You are Niko Bellic
Playing – You control Niko and make his decisions for him.
Game – Inventory system, side quests, multiple choices.

Role – You are doom guy.
Playing – You control doom guy and make his decisions for him.
Game – You interact with monsters. By shooting them in the face.

[Emloch]

Laiin wrote...

NiHau
Do you know what an RPG is?

It is a:
Role - You are Hawke
Playing - You control Hawke and make decisions for him/her
Game - Set of rules for combat, increasing your characters abilities usually but not exclusively experience through and interaction with the world and non-player characters created by a person or group.

Dragon Age 2 is a RPG. Role playing games have NOTHING to do with reality 90% of the time. You think you hit with your weapon too fast?

I think we can agree that Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing game?
In 3rd edition DnD you can:

Hit a target 4 times in 6 seconds with a 2 hander or main hand weapon at high levels, with two weapon fighting feats you can increase that to 7 times. You can also draw your weapons (quick draw feat) and make a 5ft adjustment. You can split that attack to any number of targets in range (use your 5ft adjustment in the middle of a full attack) and the character is assumed to be parrying, blocking and dodging incoming attacks during this time. That does not include other feats and abilities like Cleave and Greater Cleave.

That is a pen and paper game.

What the game does not match is your opinion of what a Role Playing Game should be. That is a completely valid opinion and you a welcome to it but saying any Bioware game is not an rpg is only correct if you mean a Rocket Propelled Grenade.


Much

Laiin

I know what an RPG is. I've been playing them for 25 years (including DnD PnP). Yes, DA2 is still an RPG but not a solid one, as DA:O was. Much of the freedom and customizability has been stripped away from the game; elements that seperate a good RPG from a mediocre one. (Inventory management/restrictive character customization,etc.)

One could argue that HALO is an RPG but would you concur? Probably not. And if not, then why would you disagree? We all have opinions, but the fact remains that there are some elements and core fundamentals that, FACTUALLY, make an RPG what it is. DA2 has placed restrictions on many of these elements. This franchise is losing it's RPG flair in favor of an action/adventure sub-genre.

[XBenotto18]

Maziou wrote...

I really hate when developers take a beloved game and decide to make a sequel that feels like a cheap cashing in of the original.  This is one of those instances.

I mean why would you create a sequel with inferior graphics to the original?  What is the reasoning for that?  Why take a game with strong RPG elements, and make a sequel that plays out more like an action game?  It's like how Paramount tried to make Star Trek cool again by making Kirk a 20-something and skipping all the dialog that makes it a space opera.

When you try to "mainstream" a series that didn't start as mainstream, then you just lose the people who really loved the original; and the mainstream won't touch it, because they relate the sequel to the original game that they never considered playing.

Couldn't you have just made this game and given it a different title, with no lore references to Dragon Age?

If you're not willing to put in the time to make a sequel that lives up to its predecessor (and don't pretend this is an attempt to do just that), then please just move on to a different project.

[DebatableBubble]

NiHau wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

NiHau wrote...

ehem blame Ea seriusly :3 they yust ruin all 

Yes they ruin so much giving a bigger budget to work with.

well they set up bether blour efect glow etc for your wish let it glow and sparkly blood etc
when the other side of realism not like " Da2 demo warior OH" weapon swin'ged like "Star wars SABER?"

what 

Modifié par falloutseriesfan, 24 février 2011 - 03:43 .

[NiHau]

Drake Sigar wrote...

Laiin wrote...

NiHau
Do you know what an RPG is?

It is a:
Role - You are Hawke
Playing - You control Hawke and make decisions for him/her
Game - Set of rules for combat, increasing your characters abilities usually but not exclusively  through experience and interaction with the world and non-player characters created by a person or group.

Role – You are Niko Bellic
Playing – You control Niko and make his decisions for him.
Game – Inventory system, side quests, multiple choices.

Role – You are doom guy.
Playing – You control doom guy and make his decisions for him.
Game – You interact with monsters. By shooting them in the face.

You my sir are wise as hell 
you just now put my words into your text

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 03:44 .

[Laiin]

When you say action RPG I guess you mean things die to quickly for you?

Or is it the fact on the consoles you have to click a button to attack (which can be disabled)?

Or is it that you start off with I high level character eating enemies in a single swing and having high level abilities?

Or is it that you think that a tactical RPG cannot look cool and fast paced?

Or is it just the removal of a tactical camera?



Laiin

[PyroJack]

I look away for five seconds and you guys are back at this don't make me slap you all kiss and make up haha

[NiHau]

PyroJack wrote...

I look away for five seconds and you guys are back at this don't make me slap you all kiss and make up haha

Go away troll il give you a candy 

[rob_k]

Bit of a weak argument with regard to Doom there, Drake.

But yes, GTA IV does have RPG elements, no matter how slight they might be.

Edit: Anyways, agreed with Laiin.

Modifié par rob_k, 24 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[Laiin]

I only play PC games. I do not own a console



Laiin

[RiverLucky]

Maziou wrote...

I mean why would you create a sequel with inferior graphics to the original? 

They changed the art style. Some will like it, others wont. I like it.

It's not an action game. They added animations for the different classes, making the game more visceral.

In DAO I found the warrior, archer and rogue boring not in DA2.

Maziou wrote...

Why take a game with strong RPG elements, and make a sequel that plays out more like an action game?

It is still a game with strong RPG elements.

How has it changed as an RPG?

[PyroJack]

NiHau wrote...

PyroJack wrote...

I look away for five seconds and you guys are back at this don't make me slap you all kiss and make up haha

Go away troll il give you a candy 

Yay! Candy *goes back under troll bridge munching candy* i will return when the time is right

[Captain Sassy Pants]

Amioran wrote...

Maziou wrote...

I really hate when developers take a beloved game and decide to make a sequel that feels like a cheap cashing in of the original.  This is one of those instances.

Play the demo a little more. You will find that the gameplay is almost exactly the same. It just takes some time to adjust to it. After, you will probably think this about DAO instead of DA2.

Don't be so biased about change, give it a chance. Trying to keep the status quo is one of the greatest defect of humanity, and what causes the most trouble. Wars, resources' starvation, razisms etc. are all because of this wanting to keep the status quo at all costs.

You're completely right. Everything should just homogenize towards the action genre.

Progress!

I agree with the OP, I think they should have gone with a new title, keeping the "old school" appeal of the first for a proper sequel, and giving the people who want a medieval fantasy action game something as well, instead of trying to mash the two together.

Too many people cried "I hate the first one! Change it for me!" and they catered to them instead of the people who bought it for a what it was, a "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate".

Some of those people will like the new game, while others, myself included, feel completely abandoned as they decided to pursue a new demographic and leave me in the dust.

Action gamers don't need every title. There are already a plethora on the market. Keep an "old school" feeling series "old school" for those who bought into it because of that element. Don't throw them aside just because a new demographic bought a game that wasn't made for them in the first place. 

Modifié par Captain Sassy Pants, 24 février 2011 - 03:52 .

[NiHau]

I can't debate what is and whats not because my english knowledge don't go too far..
But i know only one thing this game was Simply "DA2 NAME" and i dont Se any RPG elements whers you don't need think logical'y..
I mean its like > Kill your sister or brother ? and then you say someting stupid when hes dead...
like ooh we don't have time lets go on. are you seriusly ? then your my friend are more retarded then im

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 03:53 .

[DebatableBubble]

Disregard this post.

Modifié par falloutseriesfan, 24 février 2011 - 04:04 .

[ArtemisJ]

My response to this thread is: Baldurs Gate 2 was the best RPG ever made. If there is a company who can do sequels.. Bioware is it.

[Augustei]

Maziou wrote...
I really hate when developers take a beloved game and decide to make a sequel that feels like a cheap cashing in of the original.  This is one of those instances.

Wrong...

[Sabiancym]

Games4ever wrote...

Durang wrote...

Ugh, what? The graphics in Origins were terrible. These are much better.

You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.

I think this game look worse than the first.

 
 

I agree.  I don't know why people said Origins looked bad.  Maybe it did on the console, but on the PC on high it looked amazing and real.