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[SG60]

NiHau wrote...

SG60 wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Why do the pro da2 people keep telling people to "cry alone" "whine" or tell them they have been hit too many times in the head

Why cant people be allowed to have an opinion without the personal insults?

I can like DA2 less then DAO for any reason, post that reason here with in the confines of the rules and that should be that, why must the hardcore defenders mock others opinions when no one mocks their opinions with personal insults

The majority of haters come off as condescending ***holes, and insult everyone who likes the game.
There are people who like the game who do the same thing, of course, but don't try to pretend otherwise.

NOO i dont say i don't like im saying im realy disapointed
FAN service > game

I did not say you were one of the ***holes. Not being happy with the game is perfectly ok, but being a jerk is not. I'm not saying you were being one.

[StormbringerGT]

And honestly a lot of complaints just seem to come off as cries for attention or over dramatic. I have seen lots of opinions that were well stated. They were right to their opinion and honestly felt that way. But I have seen a lot of opinions that were not so much. Am I happy with everything I've heard about Dragon Age 2 compared to Dragon Age Origins? No. Of course not. However was Dragon Age Origins a perfect game to begin with? Again no.



I have some complaints and some suggestions but I usually pm to a developer and i get responses back. Its time better spent than coming on a forum with rabid fans and saying this games sucks don't you think? Try doing it at a baseball game. Go to the Home Team side of the stadium and tell them their team sucks. See what happens.

[Games4ever]

I'm glad I played the demo yesterday. For now I know for sure I do not need this game. Loved the first game and had high hopes for this but have not seen such bad graphics and poor game play in any demo for the last 2 years.

[kevin cousland]

wowowowow killzone 3 ......tommorow......me buy.....wowowowow

[NiHau]

PyroJack wrote...

StormbringerGT wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Why do the pro da2 people keep telling people to "cry alone" "whine" or tell them they have been hit too many times in the head

Why cant people be allowed to have an opinion without the personal insults?

I can like DA2 less then DAO for any reason, post that reason here with in the confines of the rules and that should be that, why must the hardcore defenders mock others opinions when no one mocks their opinions with personal insults

There is nothing wrong with liking or not liking this game. And people who acttack either sides are a bit out of line. However some people feel the right to defend their opinion, just as you feel the right to defend yours. Also some complaints have been poorly made and are as useless as "this game the best ever" honestly opinions. Especially at a stage where the game ships is 2 weeks.

Then to please everyone i will simply say that DA2 is the best game ever but it also sucks happy everyone

yes DA2 is good "action Game" on other side i dont se there any signs of RPG  pause meke its RPG?

[Buffy-Summers]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Obviously they wanted to appeal to larger audiences and other gamers. So they did something new. Big ****ing surprise!

Its when they abandon a portion of the old audience to garner that hopefully large audience that annoys me


***Waves hands around all crazy***

This is a portion of your RPG loving DAO rabid fan club that you rejected in hopes of pleasing the diablo crowd

[JasmoVT]

Sorry but I cannot buy this nonsense.

1) Unless you were a tester for bioware now violating a NDA you have no basis whatsoever for forming an opinion on the role playing aspect of the game from the little in the demo.

2) Sorry but the graphics are great. Graphics are not about state of the art pixel polishing. They are about producing and environment, drawing you in and contributing to the feel of the game DA2 does this grest. It is about the cinmatics and the combat movements and these are very well done. Nothing is a greater waste of programmer time and computing power as putting in graphical detail that contributes nothing to gameplay.

3) I found combat much more engaging in DA 2. In origins it was mostly same old same old regardles of build you were playing. Here their is a real difference.

[rob_k]

Games4ever wrote...

I'm glad I played the demo yesterday.
For now I know for sure I do not need this game. Loved the first game
and had high hopes for this but have not seen such bad graphics and poor
game play in any demo for the last 2 years.

Games4ever,

Before making that choice, I'd at least check out the Gamespot video. It has 30 mins of gameplay (Xbox version). I think you'll find it plays practically the same as the console versions of Origins outside of the faster combat and animations.

Modifié par rob_k, 24 février 2011 - 01:11 .

[Maconbar]

For anyone that was disappointed with the demo, check out Laidlaw's interview. It runs close to 30 min and shows more gameplay than the demo.

http://www.gamespot...._age_ii20110222

Modifié par Maconbar, 24 février 2011 - 01:12 .

[PyroJack]

NiHau wrote...

PyroJack wrote...

StormbringerGT wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Why do the pro da2 people keep telling people to "cry alone" "whine" or tell them they have been hit too many times in the head

Why cant people be allowed to have an opinion without the personal insults?

I can like DA2 less then DAO for any reason, post that reason here with in the confines of the rules and that should be that, why must the hardcore defenders mock others opinions when no one mocks their opinions with personal insults

There is nothing wrong with liking or not liking this game. And people who acttack either sides are a bit out of line. However some people feel the right to defend their opinion, just as you feel the right to defend yours. Also some complaints have been poorly made and are as useless as "this game the best ever" honestly opinions. Especially at a stage where the game ships is 2 weeks.

Then to please everyone i will simply say that DA2 is the best game ever but it also sucks happy everyone

yes DA2 is good "action Game" on other side i dont se there any signs of RPG  pause meke its RPG?

We play the role of Hawke therefore we are roleplaying which makes DA2 a RPG.............i'm gonna hide now something tells me i'm going to get flak for that *ducks*

[Vinnnm]

monstertrucks wrote...

Seriously, I much prefer DA2 to DA:O. For a simple reason: Combat isn't boring anymore - I totally hate tactical fighting. What's wrong with making it more of an action RPG?

But I agree that the graphics may not actually be a step up. It's radically different looking but it may not be an improvement. I dunno... it's slightly screwed up but I have no significant qualms about it.

I liked DA and DA:O because i actually needed to use good strategies to defeat an enemy. Like Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 which required a good strategy to defeat enemies. Well they did promise to make DA like Baldurs Gate, if this is what it would offer me then i am very disappointed. I only hope march 8 would prove otherwise. I hope the changes they made was for the better and not for the reason that they changed this awesome genre to please console owners. Damm consoles they ruin everything. If i wanted a hack and slash game would just GoW.

[Games4ever]

thanks rob. will try that. but I really didn't like graphics and game play on this one.

[NiHau]

rob_k wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

I'm glad I played the demo yesterday.
For now I know for sure I do not need this game. Loved the first game
and had high hopes for this but have not seen such bad graphics and poor
game play in any demo for the last 2 years.

Games4ever,

Before making that choice, I'd at least check out the Gamespot video. It has 30 mins of gameplay (Xbox version). I think you'll find it plays practically the same as the console versions of Origins outside of the faster combat and animations.

i can't say this but not all whants mega speed action wher all bow up and so on ..

i realy liked the slow DA:O action wher you need to think first like use ice on "that creep" then put spell on boss-don't let him cast someting and thats meking perfectly batle ground wher you can loose easy and win easy its all up to you.. i mean i liked the slow game of DA:O

Modifié par NiHau, 24 février 2011 - 01:16 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Why don't you ask yourself the same question OP. Dragon Age is Bioware's baby, they are free to do with the IP as they please. If you don't like their direction, don't stick around.

[StormbringerGT]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

Sorry thats a bs answer

It is. I can also say that your opinion is only some bytes of text on screen, and my words will have as much truth as yours.

Roleplaying is about creativity and imagination. Storytelling is about it, starting from the arhchaic and ancient storytelling near the fire about how many mamoths one killed.

And yes, they can never create a game just for my character, but they can strive to do so. And that is a noble goal, to make a large and smart game.

And this is where the business side comes in. I agree with on your points on a personal level. I would love to have a game that felt it was created for me. However is it cost effective to do so? They have to look at time to create content and sales.

Look at call of duty series. Im gonna get flamed here. I enjoyed playing it, but its a bit shallow. But it sells billions. From a business standpoint every game company wants those numbers. Its seems to me that Bioware is trying to pull in those numbers while making a complelling game, that is yes in my opinion a RPG. Ultimately in doing so they are going to alienate the far left and far right side of fanbase.

Also in this chapter of the game they are telling a story and that story is much better told (in their opinion) with the character they created.

I understand what you are saying but I disagree with it. Roleplaying can be about creativity and imagination but it doesn't have to be. It has to be about you playing a role.

Modifié par StormbringerGT, 24 février 2011 - 01:15 .

[rob_k]

I have faith Dragon Age 2 will be better actually in terms of choice and consequences. The reason for that is the narrative spans several years. So, I think it'll be a better rpg at all when it comes to shaping what happens etc. (Yes, this is disregarding combat mechanics)



What remains to be seen though is whether it can match or exceed AP for the sheer amount of variance that can occur in a given playthrough. (I'm sure it'll be better than Origins in this regard though)

[Games4ever]

But I'm still a big fan of ME2. and can't wait for ME3. they have a good tema making ME :-) sorry DA team.

[StormbringerGT]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

Obviously they wanted to appeal to larger audiences and other gamers. So they did something new. Big ****ing surprise!

Its when they abandon a portion of the old audience to garner that hopefully large audience that annoys me


***Waves hands around all crazy***

This is a portion of your RPG loving DAO rabid fan club that you rejected in hopes of pleasing the diablo crowd

However which crowd is larger crowd and more willing to buy copies of the game. Keep in mind they are still a business and a large business as well. Making games today is 100% different than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

You want them to see it from your point of view but it appears that not a lot of people want to or even try to see things from their point of view.
(and not you Buffy you posted your ideas about this game wonderfully in my opinion) 

[Captain Iglo]

Maziou wrote...

You know perfectly well the graphics are inferior. They are less detailed, with inferior texture work and geometric details, as the examples below illustrate.

Picture of ogre from DA:O
http://tattlerextra....on-Age-Ogre.jpg

Picture of ogre from DA2
http://dragonage.wik...-screenshot.jpg

And before you say, "Graphics aren't everything", nobody disputes that, but taking a step back in any aspect of the game, is a sign of laziness, and a desire to rush out a cash-in at the expense of professional integrity.

Whaaaat? The DA2 Ogre is five times more detailed then the DAO one!

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 24 février 2011 - 01:24 .

[rob_k]

Games4ever wrote...

But I'm still a big fan of ME2. and can't wait for ME3. they have a good tema making ME :-) sorry DA team.

Games,

Did you see my post recommending that you check out the Gamespot video? It's stickied. It might help show you that the combat's the same as Origins outside of faster combat and the animations. (For consoles at any rate as that's the version that was being played.)

[Jobinn]

People, video games are a business not an art. You have to go with what's gonna attract the most people while losing the lease. Now I have a bunch a friends who didn't want to play DA:O but didn't cuz they said it looked complicated and boring but once I let them play the DA2 demo they were hooked because the dialogue was easy to understand (good choice, funny choice, bad boy choice) and combat was fun for them. As for me I hate a lot of the recent changes (fixed character, dialogue wheel, ridiculous combat) but I'm too invested in the Dragon age story not to get the game. So by changing the mechanics they attract new people while by keeping it as dragon age keep those of us who are still interested in the story. Max profit-minimum loss=great success

[PyroJack]

Can't we all get along? We all love RPGs here

[rob_k]

NiHau wrote...

rob_k wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

I'm glad I played the demo yesterday.
For now I know for sure I do not need this game. Loved the first game
and had high hopes for this but have not seen such bad graphics and poor
game play in any demo for the last 2 years.

Games4ever,

Before making that choice, I'd at least check out the Gamespot video. It has 30 mins of gameplay (Xbox version). I think you'll find it plays practically the same as the console versions of Origins outside of the faster combat and animations.

i can't say this but not all whants mega speed action wher all bow up and so on ..

i realy liked the slow DA:O action wher you need to think first like use ice on "that creep" then put spell on boss-don't let him cast someting and thats meking perfectly batle ground wher you can loose easy and win easy its all up to you.. i mean i liked the slow game of DA:O

You still have to think. In fact, there are more tactical options for the sequel on consoles, I wager. This is due to being able to tell party members where to move. This'll play a pretty big role in boss fights I'm sure.

Modifié par rob_k, 24 février 2011 - 01:23 .

[Games4ever]

I try now Rob..

[StormbringerGT]

Vinnnm wrote...

monstertrucks wrote...

Seriously, I much prefer DA2 to DA:O. For a simple reason: Combat isn't boring anymore - I totally hate tactical fighting. What's wrong with making it more of an action RPG?

But I agree that the graphics may not actually be a step up. It's radically different looking but it may not be an improvement. I dunno... it's slightly screwed up but I have no significant qualms about it.

I liked DA and DA:O because i actually needed to use good strategies to defeat an enemy. Like Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 which required a good strategy to defeat enemies. Well they did promise to make DA like Baldurs Gate, if this is what it would offer me then i am very disappointed. I only hope march 8 would prove otherwise. I hope the changes they made was for the better and not for the reason that they changed this awesome genre to please console owners. Damm consoles they ruin everything. If i wanted a hack and slash game would just GoW.

At the end of the day these folks are trying to collect paychecks and pay their bills. And if they can have a good time and make a bunch of people happy in the process so be it.

Look at the sales figures for Baldurs gate, then Dragon Age and eventually Dragon Age 2. Its gets bigger and will get bigger. A lot of people own consoles and as a business they would be foolish to ignore such a huge market.