I want toolset too!
[Poll] DA2 Toolset?
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#27
Posté 25 février 2011 - 08:52
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DA uses a dedicated engine. ME/2 is Unreal Engine, thus a toolset isn't that easy to make.jontepwn wrote...
I think they're withholding the toolset for the purpose of promotional content such as exclusive swords and shields. Probably for the same reason there isn't any for Mass Effect so they can throw out a few companion outfits and make a quick buck. I hope I'm wrong but it isn't far from the truth.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 09:01
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For what it is worth, I think the poll does serve a useful purpose; if nothing else it keeps our desire for a tool set in the developer's minds. I think they already know a lot of fans want a toolset so we are telling them nothing new.
However, corporate decisions are complex things with many factors that go into the final "yea" or "nay." If thousands of forum users vote "yea" that is data that can be used in our favor (though I doubt most people will respond for the same reason most people do not vote - it is easier to do nothing than to do something...)
If nothing else, maybe it will convice the "powers that be" to at least release something that can be used with the existing toolset to mod armor, weapons, faces, hair, etc. So thanks for making the poll and let's encourage as many people to vote "yea" as possible. Doing something productive, even if there is not a direct and immediate payoff, is usually better than doing nothing - and then complaining.
Sure thing, unless we try we'll never know!
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 09:03
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Gisle Aune wrote...
DA uses a dedicated engine. ME/2 is Unreal Engine, thus a toolset isn't that easy to make.jontepwn wrote...
I think they're withholding the toolset for the purpose of promotional content such as exclusive swords and shields. Probably for the same reason there isn't any for Mass Effect so they can throw out a few companion outfits and make a quick buck. I hope I'm wrong but it isn't far from the truth.
Bioware has indicated that it may be possible to update the existing toolset. That's what we're hoping for. Agreed, creating a completely new toolset will probably never happen.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 12:17
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The thread and other subsequent threads on the subject are important in my eyes. The company is less likely to skip the feature altogether if they realize how huge the demand for a toolset is.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 12:18
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Panda Muffins wrote...
The thread and other subsequent threads on the subject are important in my eyes. The company is less likely to skip the feature altogether if they realize how huge the demand for a toolset is.
They already know.
#32
Posté 25 février 2011 - 12:44
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No reason we can't keep them from forgetting.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:18
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Panda Muffins wrote...
No reason we can't keep them from forgetting.
Indeed.
#34
Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:24
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If we don't get a toolset, it'll serve as an example that Bioware doesn't make their own decisions anymore, EA does.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:28
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Power (toolset) to the people! =) bump
#38
Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:41
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No toolset for consoles, no go.
it'd certainly be nice if the toolset and mods worked on the consoles too, but I'm not sure how feasable that is. I don't have a console but I'd certainly support consoles getting it as well as PC if it's possible
#39
Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:55
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All the way for the toolset, when i satrted playing origins (only last year, and it was because a friend of mine bought the game and din't like so i borrowed it) a lot of mods had already came out, but i started playing the game without them, than i clicked in the wrong place in this site i went to the mod download zone and saw some interesting things (new armor's, new model ofr leliana, new texture pack) erased my save game i started all over again with a bunch of mods, i like to be able to do the same with DA2
toolset is actually a good way to increase sales on the long term, just look at crysis and all the mods there are to the game
toolset is actually a good way to increase sales on the long term, just look at crysis and all the mods there are to the game
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:11
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I voted no. I may buy for the 360. I do not want them wasting time on this rather making either next game or dlc. this is an pointless poll since you are warning people not to vote no, this makes the process pointless and devalues the whole point as it is no longer valid.
You are just telling BW you are a troll screaming I want and warning people not to vote against your wishes. Epic failure.
You are just telling BW you are a troll screaming I want and warning people not to vote against your wishes. Epic failure.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:15
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Bruno Hslaw wrote...
I voted no. I may buy for the 360. I do not want them wasting time on this rather making either next game or dlc. this is an pointless poll since you are warning people not to vote no, this makes the process pointless and devalues the whole point as it is no longer valid.
You are just telling BW you are a troll screaming I want and warning people not to vote against your wishes. Epic failure.
Sorry you feel that way. I only asked console gamers not to vote NO because they're simply uninsterested - like you.
People are still within their rights to vote NO if they really think the toolset is unwanted - like you.
I am not forcing you to vote YES, otherwise I would not have included the NO option.
#43
Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:18
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Just for your information. The developers have already indicated that they would like to actualize the toolset for DA2, but that it requires a nontrivial amount of work.
They have indicated that a toolset does help the sale of DLC, as one of the factors in DLC sells is wether the players have the game installed or not, and mods extends the install life of the game, thus increasing the possibilities of DLC buy. Since it is in their economic interest that the toolset comes out, I'd be cautiously optimistic. Don't expect it until at least six months after the game comes out, however.
They have indicated that a toolset does help the sale of DLC, as one of the factors in DLC sells is wether the players have the game installed or not, and mods extends the install life of the game, thus increasing the possibilities of DLC buy. Since it is in their economic interest that the toolset comes out, I'd be cautiously optimistic. Don't expect it until at least six months after the game comes out, however.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:19
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Dubya75 wrote...
Bruno Hslaw wrote...
I voted no. I may buy for the 360. I do not want them wasting time on this rather making either next game or dlc. this is an pointless poll since you are warning people not to vote no, this makes the process pointless and devalues the whole point as it is no longer valid.
You are just telling BW you are a troll screaming I want and warning people not to vote against your wishes. Epic failure.
Sorry you feel that way. I only asked console gamers not to vote NO because they're simply uninsterested - like you.
People are still within their rights to vote NO if they really think the toolset is unwanted - like you.
I am not forcing you to vote YES, otherwise I would not have included the NO option.
Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:24
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Bruno Hslaw wrote...
Dubya75 wrote...
Bruno Hslaw wrote...
I voted no. I may buy for the 360. I do not want them wasting time on this rather making either next game or dlc. this is an pointless poll since you are warning people not to vote no, this makes the process pointless and devalues the whole point as it is no longer valid.
You are just telling BW you are a troll screaming I want and warning people not to vote against your wishes. Epic failure.
Sorry you feel that way. I only asked console gamers not to vote NO because they're simply uninsterested - like you.
People are still within their rights to vote NO if they really think the toolset is unwanted - like you.
I am not forcing you to vote YES, otherwise I would not have included the NO option.
Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
This is the same as saying BW should not develop a game you don't plan to play because YOU don't think they should spend their resources on anything other than what YOU want. Nice.
#46
Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:29
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I'd like a toolset. I am also pretty sure I've seen a dev post somewhere claiming that it actually *does* help improving the sales. Or something like that.
Also, I can edit some idiotic design choices to my liking and fix stuff.
Also, I can edit some idiotic design choices to my liking and fix stuff.
Modifié par Avalla'ch, 01 mars 2011 - 11:32 .
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:30
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[quote]Bruno Hslaw wrote...
Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view
my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want
resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit
your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be
console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
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Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
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I'm a console gamer and I want a toolset for DA2 on PC. The fact the majority of the players will be console user doesn't mean nothing. If the PC players have the possibility to have extra content, I'd happy if they will have it. It's not their fault if console can't have a toolset.
And btw, EA has enough resources to fully support both a toolset and good dlcs. And the two things aren't related. When Bioware made the dlcs-expansion, they didn't have to do a toolset at the same time, and the dlcs sucked and DAA was buggy as hell.
Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view
my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want
resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit
your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be
console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
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Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
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I'm a console gamer and I want a toolset for DA2 on PC. The fact the majority of the players will be console user doesn't mean nothing. If the PC players have the possibility to have extra content, I'd happy if they will have it. It's not their fault if console can't have a toolset.
And btw, EA has enough resources to fully support both a toolset and good dlcs. And the two things aren't related. When Bioware made the dlcs-expansion, they didn't have to do a toolset at the same time, and the dlcs sucked and DAA was buggy as hell.
Modifié par hhh89, 01 mars 2011 - 11:34 .
#48
Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:32
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If my memory serves correctly, the devs have said that there will be an update to the DA toolset, updating it to allow modding of DA2 rather than a new release of a new toolset. Could be wrong though.
#49
Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:35
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Dubya75 wrote...
Bruno Hslaw wrote...
Dubya75 wrote...
Bruno Hslaw wrote...
I voted no. I may buy for the 360. I do not want them wasting time on this rather making either next game or dlc. this is an pointless poll since you are warning people not to vote no, this makes the process pointless and devalues the whole point as it is no longer valid.
You are just telling BW you are a troll screaming I want and warning people not to vote against your wishes. Epic failure.
Sorry you feel that way. I only asked console gamers not to vote NO because they're simply uninsterested - like you.
People are still within their rights to vote NO if they really think the toolset is unwanted - like you.
I am not forcing you to vote YES, otherwise I would not have included the NO option.
Once again you say I have no interest in the poll did you actually view my post I stated a very valid reason why a console user would not want resources at BW wasted on the development of a toolset. It may not suit your opinion but it is valid to the majority of players who will be console users. Your minority niche is in fact less valid.
This is the same as saying BW should not develop a game you don't plan to play because YOU don't think they should spend their resources on anything other than what YOU want. Nice.
Once again you fail to realise I am talking about BW spending time and resources on DA2 content that most users can not use (toolset). Would you like them spending time developing DLC for the consoles at the the expense of the PC.
IE console only content never to be used for PC I think not. That is my point. Actually I think they should make dlc for all parties PC included you are just arguing for your format only. Any time spent developing a toolset is resources and time taken away from other formats
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 11:36
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Bruno Hslaw, look at it on the bright side, Toolset = lower prices on DLC. Just look at CoD selling 4 maps for 15$ while we get 1-2 hours of gameplay for 7$ from Bioware. Without the third party, noone would have stopped EA from setting outlandish prices.
They're not your slaves either. Just because you don't want it - doesn't mean that it is not needed. PC gamers -- despite having most piracy among them -- take up 50% of the game market. The free mods allow people to tell their story trough their favorite game engine.
Just because you don't want it -- doesn't mean that they should put their energy into satisfying you console users.
It's not like everyone is forced to use the mods or the toolset. They used one when they made the game and it would cheer up the bad mood among many of the PC using fans of DA if they can still make and/or download mods to get more out of their game.
There might be feasable for mods on PS3, since they can make a reader to read a folder from a ext. drive or a thumb drive. 360 however -- I don't know as I don't know how one can for instance use an external drive and read one with it.
They're not your slaves either. Just because you don't want it - doesn't mean that it is not needed. PC gamers -- despite having most piracy among them -- take up 50% of the game market. The free mods allow people to tell their story trough their favorite game engine.
Just because you don't want it -- doesn't mean that they should put their energy into satisfying you console users.
It's not like everyone is forced to use the mods or the toolset. They used one when they made the game and it would cheer up the bad mood among many of the PC using fans of DA if they can still make and/or download mods to get more out of their game.
There might be feasable for mods on PS3, since they can make a reader to read a folder from a ext. drive or a thumb drive. 360 however -- I don't know as I don't know how one can for instance use an external drive and read one with it.
Modifié par Gisle Aune, 01 mars 2011 - 11:38 .
