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[Cpt.Kaine]

Xewaka wrote...

Cpt.Kaine wrote...
But the Blight didn't threat only Ferelden, even more i imagine that Hawke will kill Flemeth, which is something that i believe most of us did, so..

Wouldn't be the first time Flemeth lets herself be "Killed". Hell, even Morrigan tells you right after the fact that she (Flemeth) is most likely not dead.

i know that, how otherwise i would suggest that hawke kill her if she's already dead, but even if he does truly kill her in her dragon form, isn't this something that we did too?

[kevin cousland]

Dirgegun wrote...

I think the Warden will get mention, especially with the cameos we've heard about...

But it being a different country means there's also a slight disassociation with the blight. For example: someone could save America from a nasty crisis and I wouldn't think too much of it because I don't live there. Yes, I'd think that was wonderful and all, but I would still be more focused on what's happening in my own country. Kirkwall is just more focused on what's happening there, and that happens to involve Hawke.

but the discovery of andastes ashes will make the origins hero heard from all over the world and once they hear of this mysterious dude who found the ashes theyd look into him and find all his other acheivements.

if jesus was resurected by a crazy bishop from manchester that would spread everyware and everyone would look into it and peoples faith would return.

thats basicaly what the origins guy did in my story so that shouldnt be forgotton not for an eternity.
I mean everyones heard of jesus even those that dont believe in him.

[keginkc]

Cpt.Kaine wrote...

I've been left very puzzled by the demo, after i played it came to my attention that our Great warden from Origins, the guy who saved Ferelden and killed the Archdemon, has been left completely ignored by this story.. Some new guy comes from Ostagar and rises to power with shiny titles like CHAMPION and so on.. "Change the world forever!" WTF with this sh*t?! i mean where is the true hero, how comes he's completely forgotten and ignored, i know that the decisions we made in the first part will be reflected in this one, but my question is will we ever hear about our gray warden again?Will he be fabled and famous around the world or he will be thrown in the shadow of this new champion?

Maybe this will clear things up, maybe it won't.  At the time you're playing Hawke in the demo, the Warden will have just himself left Lothering.  He won't have saved/destroyed the mage tower.  He won't have saved Redcliffe.  He won't have killed the Broodmother or destroyed/saved the Anvil of the Void.  He won't have explored the Brecilian Forest.  He won't even have set foot in Denerim.  Most people won't even know he exists.  The story in DA2 does not take place after DA:O, it begins relatively early in the original game.  He will do all of those things, over the course of the next year, any my guess is you will hear about it, but at this point the Warden's not anybody, not yet.  But he will be.

And then your story as Hawke will continue for another 9 years after his ends.

[Jobinn]

Cpt.Kaine wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Cpt.Kaine wrote...
But the Blight didn't threat only Ferelden, even more i imagine that Hawke will kill Flemeth, which is something that i believe most of us did, so..

Wouldn't be the first time Flemeth lets herself be "Killed". Hell, even Morrigan tells you right after the fact that she (Flemeth) is most likely not dead.

i know that, how otherwise i would suggest that hawke kill her if she's already dead, but even if he does truly kill her in her dragon form, isn't this something that we did too?

But no one other than your party saw that. If Hawke did that in the middle of Kirkwall he would be more famous

[Ariella]

And remember this was only demo of a BIOWARE game, which means there's a lot more to be seen and said about the state of the world than fit in the little snippet we were given. And as Mike Laidlaw pointed out, DA is about Thedas, the lore of the world, and the Dragon Age, not one specific character. Like say Forgotten Realms there are going to be a lot of different heroes that rise in different portions of the world, rather than Dragon Lance or Mass Effect where the story is about a small group of people or a single person in ME's case throughout.

[Cpt.Kaine]

keginkc wrote...

Cpt.Kaine wrote...

I've been left very puzzled by the demo, after i played it came to my attention that our Great warden from Origins, the guy who saved Ferelden and killed the Archdemon, has been left completely ignored by this story.. Some new guy comes from Ostagar and rises to power with shiny titles like CHAMPION and so on.. "Change the world forever!" WTF with this sh*t?! i mean where is the true hero, how comes he's completely forgotten and ignored, i know that the decisions we made in the first part will be reflected in this one, but my question is will we ever hear about our gray warden again?Will he be fabled and famous around the world or he will be thrown in the shadow of this new champion?

Maybe this will clear things up, maybe it won't.  At the time you're playing Hawke in the demo, the Warden will have just himself left Lothering.  He won't have saved/destroyed the mage tower.  He won't have saved Redcliffe.  He won't have killed the Broodmother or destroyed/saved the Anvil of the Void.  He won't have explored the Brecilian Forest.  He won't even have set foot in Denerim.  Most people won't even know he exists.  The story in DA2 does not take place after DA:O, it begins relatively early in the original game.  He will do all of those things, over the course of the next year, any my guess is you will hear about it, but at this point the Warden's not anybody, not yet.  But he will be.

And then your story as Hawke will continue for another 9 years after his ends.

yeah i know that he did not do all this yet, my question was if in the full game we will hear about the things we did when the times come, will our hero be mentioned when he does his bussines in ferelden

[CakesOnAPlane]

I'm pretty sure I remember a line in DA:O at the end saying something like 'blah blah blah defeated a blight with the other nations barely becoming aware of it'.



There will probably be rumors from survivors/etc (like Hawke), but that's about it. You saw how reluctant people in Fereldan were to believe that the Blight was happening, imagine how it would be for people outside.

[MemeLeigh]

Moondoggie wrote...

Dragon Age is set in a rarther big world. In such a large world many people can do remarkable things not just the grey wardens. And many other stories are told.

Dragon Age isn't a series that focuses on one character rarther it focuses on a world and it's lore.

much agreed! That is how I see it.

[ReallyRue]

The Warden may well be famous for defeating the Blight, but that doesn't mean there is suddenly a waiting period for the next champion to appear.

"Sorry Hawke, somebody awesome has already done something awesome this century, come back later."

And it stands to reason that other countries would be more interested in someone doing something close to home rather than off in Ferelden. I'm glad to have a new character, I don't want to be playing a game about every minute detail of my Warden's life until the day she dies.

[Cpt.Kaine]

Cakes, you're right.. and this saddens me.. I truly hope that Bioware give atleast a little credit to our guy

[keginkc]

Cpt.Kaine wrote...

yeah i know that he did not do all this yet, my question was if in the full game we will hear about the things we did when the times come, will our hero be mentioned when he does his bussines in ferelden

They've said we will, but I can't give you any more of a promise than that, since I haven't played the game myself.  But that's supposedly the reason for importing saves into the sequel, so the events mentioned in the game will reflect the things you did in Origins.

[Sinvx]

You guys are ridiculous... They just came from Ostagar, and think the Wardens are dead, meaning our Warden has yet to do anything significant during the time frame of the demo. So of course they wouldn't get mentioned... I imagine there will be mention of our Warden further in the game, also our warden did this in like a month, while DA2 covers 10 years of Hawkes life in the Free Marches, making his position much more focus'd and significant.

[Lightbleeder]

kevin cousland wrote...

youll hear about him but hawke will aparently overshadow him, claiming to be the best hero ever who changes alot of stuff.

but our warden changed alot how can hawke compare, I saved the world from the blight saved the elves retreived the holy ashes. thats just scratching the surface so it makes you wonder what will hawke do to make him more special?

Hawke will simultaneously defeat not one but TWO blights, one attacking the entire mortal world and the other attacking the Fade, will save the elves, the dwarves, and the qunari (whether they like it or not) and retrieve the holy ashes... not of Andraste... BUT OF THE MAKER HIMSELF.

And then probably kill a dragon or something. WITH HIS TEETH.

Modifié par Lightbleeder, 24 février 2011 - 02:40 .

[Cpt.Kaine]

I understand that da series focus on the world and not the character, but am I the only one who finds it hard to accept the new champion after all we did with our wardens, for instance i've played origins, awakening and all the DLCs, so I'm kinda used to look up to my warden, believing he's the real hero..

[Jobinn]

Sinvx wrote...

You guys are ridiculous... They just came from Ostagar, and think the Wardens are dead, meaning our Warden has yet to do anything significant during the time frame of the demo. So of course they wouldn't get mentioned... I imagine there will be mention of our Warden further in the game, also our warden did this in like a month, while DA2 covers 10 years of Hawkes life in the Free Marches, making his position much more focus'd and significant.

Exactly what it took Hawke 10 years to do, The Warden did in a month.
Hawke=Weak Sauce 
Warden=Boss mode 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Player Characters aren't  the main characters. The main character is Thedas and several NPCs such as Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, possibly Flemeth etc.. With each sequel, new champion rise and old ones be forgotten. If you plan to invest any emotional bond with such characters, you'll be disappointed like your warden. Just kill Hawke or whatever PC you are going to role-play. It's pointless to keep them alive. It'll be much easier for you to let them go and start a new one. And they will be overshadowed, forgotten and ignored no matter what.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 24 février 2011 - 02:49 .

[Maconbar]

By the time Hawke meets Flemeth what earth-shattering things has our Grey Warden accomplished. He maybe picks up two companions in Lothering yet Flemeth still indirectly acknowledges the warden and Alistair.



Who knows it wouldn't surprise me if Isabela or Vengence or random NPCs in Kirkwall acknowledge the warden's accomplishments.

[Jobinn]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Player Characters aren't not the main characters. The main character is Thedas and several NPCs such as Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, possibly Flemeth etc.. With each sequel, new champion rise and old ones be forgotten. If you plan to invest any emotional bond with such characters, you'll be disappointed like your warden. Just kill Hawke or whatever PC you are going to role-play. It's pointless to keep them alive. It'll be much easier for you to let them go and start a new one. And they will be overshadowed and forgotten no matter what.

Naw, I'm cool with my Warden cuz no matter what, In my eyes, he's the best. 

[Shad0wOGRE]

Jobinn wrote...

Sinvx wrote...

You guys are ridiculous... They just came from Ostagar, and think the Wardens are dead, meaning our Warden has yet to do anything significant during the time frame of the demo. So of course they wouldn't get mentioned... I imagine there will be mention of our Warden further in the game, also our warden did this in like a month, while DA2 covers 10 years of Hawkes life in the Free Marches, making his position much more focus'd and significant.

Exactly what it took Hawke 10 years to do, The Warden did in a month.
Hawke=Weak Sauce 
Warden=Boss mode 

Actually, Origins takes place over a year or two.

[ArcanistLibram]

Dragon Age was never about the Warden. It's about the Dragon Age. The Warden just happens to be one historical figure among as many others as Bioware wants to create.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Jobinn wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Player Characters aren't not the main characters. The main character is Thedas and several NPCs such as Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, possibly Flemeth etc.. With each sequel, new champion rise and old ones be forgotten. If you plan to invest any emotional bond with such characters, you'll be disappointed like your warden. Just kill Hawke or whatever PC you are going to role-play. It's pointless to keep them alive. It'll be much easier for you to let them go and start a new one. And they will be overshadowed and forgotten no matter what.

Naw, I'm cool with my Warden cuz no matter what, In my eyes, he's the best. 

I know. My Warden too. It's hard to let him/her go. 

[Jobinn]

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Jobinn wrote...

Sinvx wrote...

You guys are ridiculous... They just came from Ostagar, and think the Wardens are dead, meaning our Warden has yet to do anything significant during the time frame of the demo. So of course they wouldn't get mentioned... I imagine there will be mention of our Warden further in the game, also our warden did this in like a month, while DA2 covers 10 years of Hawkes life in the Free Marches, making his position much more focus'd and significant.

Exactly what it took Hawke 10 years to do, The Warden did in a month.
Hawke=Weak Sauce 
Warden=Boss mode 

Actually, Origins takes place over a year or two.

Then the person I quoted lied to me! Oh well still didn't take him 10 years to be like a boss 

[PinkShoes]

This game is about Hawke so why would they go "Hawke your a great guy an all but your not that grey warden guy."

[Cpt.Kaine]

When they said there would be a second part of DA, I hoped for closure because many questions have been left unanswered and I thought that when this goes out, we will know what happened to the child and morrigan and our warden, instead they make a second game completely divided from the original story and I am sure that it will bring us only more questions to wonder about..

[Jobinn]

jacobdg wrote...

Cpt.Kaine wrote...

Kevin, this is what buggs me.. after you complete so much in Origins,it is not fair to be overshadowed by some other guy that we didn't even hear in our journeys and all of a sudden A NEW CHAMPION RISES, what about the good old gray warden who passed through the dark ritual and didn't die, even if he died he deserves to be in a goddamn legend or something..

What bugs me is that your a complete idiot. The Warden is the Hero of FERELDAN, KIRKWALL ISNT IN FERELDAN DIP****.

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