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[LilyasAvalon]

Eshaye wrote...
It is my strong belief that none of that is going away. The Dark Ritual is canon, whether you did it or not Morrigan has a powerful child probably raised by goat herders in some far off mountain with no idea of their destiny... We know he's a he so he's probably not our PC in DA3, but I will bet my socks (they're comfy) that this is the setting for DA3. And I would not be surprised if they are hints to this in DA2, but we'll have to see. 

...We need to get a developers confirmation on this or something because everyone I've talked to seems to divided into two factions of 'No! It's not canon!' or 'Yes it is!'.

...So who did end up being the father of Morrigan's God Baby then? ._.

Blze001 wrote...

Who knows, maybe at the end Hawke rides in on a flaming Griffon, kills all of the remaining archdemons with a guitar solo that causes the Maker himself to bow down in humble admiration, and impregnates every female in Kirkwall before making the Dark City his personal bachelor pad and resurrecting Andraste to pour his wine.

...My warden feels lied to.

...she was told she couldn't have a griffon.

[Jobinn]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Eshaye wrote...
It is my strong belief that none of that is going away. The Dark Ritual is canon, whether you did it or not Morrigan has a powerful child probably raised by goat herders in some far off mountain with no idea of their destiny... We know he's a he so he's probably not our PC in DA3, but I will bet my socks (they're comfy) that this is the setting for DA3. And I would not be surprised if they are hints to this in DA2, but we'll have to see. 

...We need to get a developers confirmation on this or something because everyone I've talked to seems to divided into two factions of 'No! It's not canon!' or 'Yes it is!'.

...So who did end up being the father of Morrigan's God Baby then? ._.

Blze001 wrote...

Who knows, maybe at the end Hawke rides in on a flaming Griffon, kills all of the remaining archdemons with a guitar solo that causes the Maker himself to bow down in humble admiration, and impregnates every female in Kirkwall before making the Dark City his personal bachelor pad and resurrecting Andraste to pour his wine.

...My warden feels lied to.

...she was told she couldn't have a griffon.

That's cuz you didn't ask about the FLAMING griffons. there are plenty of those

[Cpt.Kaine]

I wish there was some guy from Bioware here to tell us if the questions that bother us will find their answers.

I mean you don't make a whole game, just to leave the players wondering "what now?". We all share some bondage with our characters, I believe. After all you have admit that da:o was more than a game, it was an experience. And the story atleast deserves some closure.

Modifié par Cpt.Kaine, 24 février 2011 - 03:48 .

[kedcoleman]

 Both characters are pivotal players in the history of Thedas, just for vastly different reasons.  Whereas the Warden saves the world from the horrors of a Blight and all that entails, Hawke comes forward to change the world.  He seems a much darker hero, if truly a hero at all.  He seems angry and the implication from the demo I got was that he strikes out against the Chantry, at least, if not others.  

They're very different stories and both characters are integral to Thedas' history in opposing ways.

I'm fairly certain, also, that tales of the Warden's activities and how they impact the world will be mentioned through DA2...your choices and actions will be imported through saves.  I feel like I'll really enjoy that system, where each Dragon Age game focuses on a completely different region and story, with your past games and choices altering the world around, by 4 or 5 games in each person's game world could be vastly different.

[LilyasAvalon]

Assuming coleman is right, does this mean if DA3 comes out and we get an entirely new hero/heroine, does this mean they will be there to preserve the world.

[Eshaye]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

...We need to get a developers confirmation on this or something because everyone I've talked to seems to divided into two factions of 'No! It's not canon!' or 'Yes it is!'.

...So who did end up being the father of Morrigan's God Baby then? ._.
 

They've spent too much effort on Morrigan and Witch Hunt DLC is just so putting it out there, I don't know how the conversation goes if your warden didn't do the ritual with her and didn't romance her either.... But the fact that the DLC exists and ends the way it does feels like a to be continued... from tv series.  
Bioware will make up a father, just like Anders didn't really die in Awakening.. lol. 

I'd be shocked if they confirmed any of it until 2 months from DA3, just to make us squirm. 

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Assuming coleman is right, does this mean if DA3 comes out and we get an entirely new hero/heroine, does this mean they will be there to preserve the world.

Or saves it again. DA2 ends 10 years after DAO right? So DA3 might start another 10 after that. Where we really get to find what the heck Flemeth was planning towards or against all this time. I hope we get answers about the Black City and the Old Gods then too. Actually I expect DA3 to be far more ethereal then the previous games with serious fade time.  And hopefully by then the Fade gets a new art direction too.. *cough* 

Modifié par Eshaye, 24 février 2011 - 03:53 .

[Layn]

i don't actually mind having a new player character. makes the world feel bigger if there is more than one big damn hero in the world.

during the Demo the Warden hasn't even achieved anything yet and already gets a mention, so i have high hopes that the warden and his/her achievements get further mentions during DA2

Modifié par Crrash, 24 février 2011 - 03:50 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Eshaye wrote...



I'd be shocked if they confirmed any of it until 2 months from DA3, just to make us squirm.

Knowing bioware, that's probably what they will do... It's like them confirming if Sebastian is romancable or not and releasing a trailer 7 months before DA2's release. It's pure torture! T_T

Crrash wrote...



i don't actually mind having a new player character. makes the world feel bigger if there is more than one big damn hero in the world.

Neither do I to be honest, it's more the worry that Hawke TAKES OVER Dragon Age and becomes it's focus, like Shepard is the focus of Mass Effect.

[Fallstar]

Maconbar wrote...

By the time Hawke meets Flemeth what earth-shattering things has our Grey Warden accomplished. He maybe picks up two companions in Lothering yet Flemeth still indirectly acknowledges the warden and Alistair.

Who knows it wouldn't surprise me if Isabela or Vengence or random NPCs in Kirkwall acknowledge the warden's accomplishments.

Woah just had a sudden flash of inspiration (ish...couldn't think of the right word) Vengeance will be there, meaning that once you pick Anders up, the events of Amaranthine will have already taken place. And guys, we will get some mention of the Warden from Anders, as you don't travel with someone and do the kind of things you did in Awakening without it leaving some impression on you. Plus Justice/Vengeance will still remember you, as I'm guessing he still has his memories. All in all, the inclusion of Anders makes it nigh on impossible for them not to mention the Warden.

Also, if we are going to have Anders as companion for a decent portion of the game, then the Warden's feats will have been accomplished, and the word will have been spreading, for a long time. This makes it even more likely that people in Kirkwall will have heard of the Warden. Plus cameos will probably speak about him, perhaps King Alistair makes a diplomatic visit to Kirkwall, that kind of thing. One cameo which could be AWESOME is Sten; if he is in DA2 I will be thrilled. A) he was one of my favourite characters from Origins, It would be an extremely intersesting scenario to have Sten and Hawke on opposite sides. (My moneys on Sten btw)

FINALLY you have to bear in mind the overlap; The Warden didn't sit around trumping his own horn and making sure everyone knew how effing awesome he was; he carried on after Amaranthine, going to Amgarrak, and hunting Morrigan. If people aren't present, their deeds are easily forgotten, and god only knows where my Warden ended up after going through the Eluvian.

Just had a thought; does anyone know where Amgarrak is? We know the deep roads are in DA:2, perhaps we get to visit Amgarrak again; you know the ending scene of Amgarrak, well we know the Harvester/s are in DA:2 from the trailer, so perhaps Hawke goes to Amgarrak? Just my 2 cents

[redelephant]

If the Warden is mentioned half as much as Kreia mentioned Revan, I'm good. And Kreia didn't even know Revan personally. Flemeth did kow the Warden. Possibly Merril, Anders and Isabela too. Good chance you'll meet other less noteworthy npc's as well who did, merchants, town criers whatever.

They didn't build in the save-import thing for one sentence in dialogue, but your Warden won't be the focus. Plus, Bioware has already stated there's a follow up on the Morrigan story, which will include the Warden ten times out of ten. [S]He's not forgotten, just not the local hero.

edit: typo

Modifié par redelephant, 24 février 2011 - 04:13 .

[Cpt.Kaine]

redelephant wrote...

If the Warden is mentioned half as much as Kreia mentioned Revan, I'm good. And Kreia didn't even know Revan personally. Flemeth did kow the Warden. Possibly Merril, Anders and Isabela too. Good chance you'll meet other less noteworthy npc's as well who did, merchants, town criers whatever.

They didn't build in the save-import thing for one sentence in dialogue, but your Warden won't be the focus. Plus, Bioware has already stated there's a follow up on the Morrigan story, which will include the Warden ten times out of ten. [S]He's not forgotten, just not the local hero.

edit: typo

when? when will be that follow up on the Morrigan's story?

[Virginian]

Grodash wrote...

After the Ogre battle in the demo when you resolve Wesley being tainted by plague you can learn from Flemeth that the only cure for it is to become a Warden, and when Hawke says they all died in Ostagar (a warrior or rogue Hawke was in Ostagar actually) Flemeth corrects him/her saying not all of them.

When I played it was always Aveline that said they all died, I think, after the first playthrough I skipped the cutscenes and most of the coversations, could be wrong though.

[Eshaye]

Grodash wrote...
 Aveline that said they all died, I think, after the first playthrough I skipped the cutscenes and most of the coversations, could be wrong though.

And Flemeth answers all died but a few (or two can't remember exactly), but they are beyond your reach at that time. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 24 février 2011 - 05:04 .

[Sereaph502]

Are you guys thinking Hawke is going to suddenly become the most important person in the world at the exact moment the warden defeats the archdemon, completely overshadowing his/her role? Really? That's silly.



If the game really does take place over 10 years, then it's highly likely that Hawke will become what he/she is YEARS after the Warden defeated the archdemon.



What, you thought that just because your warden defeated the archdemon means they'll become the most important person in the world forever and there will be no more problems anywhere?

[String910]

Dragon Age isn't about 1 person, is not about The Grey Warden and is not about Hawke either, it's about a world called Thedas and the changes that it suffers during The Dragon Age.

when? when will be that follow up on the Morrigan's story?

Nobody played the full game yet so we don't know when. It can be in DA2 it can be in a future DA game. All we know for sure is that Morrigans story will continue because at the end of Witch Hunt the game saves itself so it can preserve the wardens final decision.

Modifié par String910, 24 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I thought it was implied that he was the champion of kirkwall not the world

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

"Change sets you free," to quote-mangle a certiain witch of the wild.

[Black_Warden]

This is terrible news! NO WARDEN?! WTF?!





Also, today is apparently some time in the middle of July, 2009.

[Gabey5]

the beginning of the game takes place before the wardens rise

[Maconbar]

DinoSteve wrote...

I thought it was implied that he was the champion of kirkwall not the world

Hawke gets a big gold belt and then waits a year to setup a PPV bout against the Champion of Orlais in a steel cage death match.

[redelephant]

Cpt.Kaine wrote...


when? when will be that follow up on the Morrigan's story?

Well, I don't know. Somewhere in the [full] game, obviously. I can't remember exactly where they said it, I believe it's one of the two making of movies they said they weren't done with it. 

[Black_Warden]

redelephant wrote...

Cpt.Kaine wrote...


when? when will be that follow up on the Morrigan's story?

Well, I don't know. Somewhere in the [full] game, obviously. I can't remember exactly where they said it, I believe it's one of the two making of movies they said they weren't done with it. 

They have said they aren't done with Morrigan's story. They haven't at any point even hinted that morrigan's story has anything to do with DA2.

[Layn]

Sereaph502 wrote...

If the game really does take place over 10 years, then it's highly likely that Hawke will become what he/she is YEARS after the Warden defeated the archdemon.

about 9 years, give or take a couple of months, if Hawke becomes the champion at the end of the 10 years

[redelephant]

Black_Warden wrote...

They have said they aren't done with Morrigan's story. They haven't at any point even hinted that morrigan's story has anything to do with DA2.

Ah, my bad. Apologies. 

[Rock Mu]

kevin cousland wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

I think the Warden will get mention, especially with the cameos we've heard about...

But it being a different country means there's also a slight disassociation with the blight. For example: someone could save America from a nasty crisis and I wouldn't think too much of it because I don't live there. Yes, I'd think that was wonderful and all, but I would still be more focused on what's happening in my own country. Kirkwall is just more focused on what's happening there, and that happens to involve Hawke.

but the discovery of andastes ashes will make the origins hero heard from all over the world and once they hear of this mysterious dude who found the ashes theyd look into him and find all his other acheivements.

if jesus was resurected by a crazy bishop from manchester that would spread everyware and everyone would look into it and peoples faith would return.

thats basicaly what the origins guy did in my story so that shouldnt be forgotton not for an eternity.
I mean everyones heard of jesus even those that dont believe in him.

Here is one thing you seem to be forgetting, some wardens destroyed the ashes and killed the scholar. How is it that anyone would hear about them being found if that happens? That in itself makes your entire argument completely irrelevent.

The main problem I always see with these types of threads is the TC always seems to be basing his assumptions off his or her own personal Warden.

NEWS FLASH: Not everyone made the same decisions as you. 


Would I like to see my Warden pop up in the future? Yes.

Am I counting on that happening & ultimately seeting myself up for major dissapointent? No.

Modifié par Rock Mu, 24 février 2011 - 10:43 .