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[tdawg7669]

This is completley reasonable. The ONE slight problem I have with it is the online activation. I have a good internet connection in my house. Others do not. This is a single player game and shouldnt require online activation imo.



That being said it i a minor problem and huge step forward from what was being thrown around a few days ago.

[Zigzaggy]

tdawg7669 wrote...

This is completley reasonable. The ONE slight problem I have with it is the online activation. I have a good internet connection in my house. Others do not. This is a single player game and shouldnt require online activation imo.

That being said it i a minor problem and huge step forward from what was being thrown around a few days ago.

One slight problem,well two.

Having no internet makes buying this singleplay standalone a major problem.Secondly, DRM is completely unreasonable.

One can take the view that it's less invasive but to find it acceptable makes you a subservient fool.

It's like losing your hands for stealing a loaf of bread..only now they take your fingers instead.We call that a dilemma.This is how you should view it

[fcpthebest]

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

Never thought people would get to the point of accepting the situation.

Once again, pirates won't pay for this excellent product and "in return" won't have the hassle of dealing with insulting, tyrant DRM.

[Zigzaggy]

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation...Never thought people would get to the point of accepting the situation.

Unfortunately that is the reason they get away with it.

The irony of average intelligence is most people are below it.

[Eurypterid]

Zigzaggy, you've made your position on DRM quite clear. Leave off the discussion, as it's veering into a general DRM rant and not specific to what's on DA2 (which will not be changed at this point). And please, no more backhanded insults. If some people are willing to accept the DRM on this or other games, it does not indicate anything about their intelligence.

[Sentox6]

fcpthebest wrote...
Once again, pirates won't pay for this excellent product and "in return" won't have the hassle of dealing with insulting, tyrant DRM.

Sad but true. It's like those ridiculous (and sometimes unskippable) antipiracy trailers and copyright screens before the menu on most DVDs. Who has to sit through those? Not the pirates <_<

I've seen worse DRM than this... but it is still something the pirated copies won't have.

Modifié par Sentox6, 25 février 2011 - 07:43 .

[Zigzaggy]

Sure thing...could I ask a question as it hasn't been made clear.If after a month I have to terminate my contract with ISP and need to reformat my PC...what files from the original install do I need to back-up.

I ask as after activation I assume a cfg is modified.

Modifié par Zigzaggy, 25 février 2011 - 07:54 .

[Daniteh]

Zigzaggy wrote...

Sure thing...could I ask a question as it hasn't been made clear.If after a month I have to terminate my contract with ISP and need to reformat my PC...what files from the original install do I need to back-up.

I ask as after activation I assume a cfg is modified.

back up your saves, thats about it. Everything else can be replaced.

C:\\\\....\\\\Bioware\\\\Dragon Age 2
(for me atleast)

as for re activation, im assuming its linked to you EA account. I think you will need to re-login.

Modifié par Daniteh, 25 février 2011 - 08:27 .

[StingingVelvet]

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

Well that kind of DRM has been around a long time now, almost 8 years since Half-Life 2 came out.  People have accepted it and in the case of Steam even seem to prefer it.  I think the lack of outrage is simply due to most people being okay with it and the rest of having given in a long time ago, our boycotts and protests not having accomplished much of anything.

What else is there to do really?  You can either accept the DRM or not, and will buy the game or not.  Bioware and EA are obviously okay with losing sales from those who dislike the DRM or cannot access the internet.

[Gunderwal]

Wow. I'm actually impressed with this DRM. That's saying a
lot. I have never really had problems with DRM other than a few years back when
DRM would kill my optical drives.

I fully support developers protecting their hard work, as I too
would want to ensure something that I have poured my time into and have made sacrifices
for seen succeed. I won't get into how publishers point of view may differ from
that of the developers, but I do agree with DRM from a developer point of view -
to a degree.

Some of the DRM up to date really at times makes a supporter
of a product feel burdened, and made to suffer by having to jump through hoops
just to enjoy something that they have rightfully obtained. It may end up sometimes
souring the experience, or in some cases flat out preventing the experience at
all.

 

The path Bioware has appeared to follow tends to show me
that Bioware understands this and takes deep consideration to the fans and supporters,
putting the phrase "don’t bite the hand that feeds you" in their thought
process when at the same time making themselves feel more secure and able to go
home at the end of the day happy.

I like my developers happy. It tends to help ensure we will continue
to see great things from them.

 

I will end that although I agree on a middle ground when DRM
is evolved it is by no means a finish line to aim for. Inventing new forms of
DRM-like features but at the same time also making it more "profitable"
for your legitimate consumers and less so for the so called pirates.

- Reward your supporters. Not punish them is what's best for
everyone as it will help ensure that you as a developer are able to keep doing what
you love to do, and we your fans and supporters are able to keep enjoying all
your hard work. -

[Reaverwind]

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

[Zigzaggy]

Reaverwind wrote...

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

And you are assuming that they know..So if they already don't have internet access how are they going to find out...on install ?

[Reaverwind]

Zigzaggy wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

And you are assuming that they know..So if they already don't have internet access how are they going to find out...on install ?

One would assume customers would at least check out the requirements listed on the damn box that the game comes in. Or are you saying Bioware will pull a fast one and not list that requirement on the box?

Modifié par Reaverwind, 25 février 2011 - 10:11 .

[Miro_toshko76]

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[Raven Snow]

Reaverwind wrote...

Zigzaggy wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

And you are assuming that they know..So if they already don't have internet access how are they going to find out...on install ?

One would assume customers would at least check out the requirements listed on the damn box that the game comes in. Or are you saying Bioware will pull a fast one and not list that requirement on the box?

I agree that it's probably silly not to check the system requirements before buying BUT...
DA:O Didn't require an internet connection to play, I don't have an internet connection on my computer (I have to use my mums computer that isn't up for running games)... So I preordered DAII, assuming that like DA:O and DA:Awakenings it would run without an internet connection.

I only came on the forums by chance yesterday, and happened to spot this thread about the DRM features. I, personally, will not cancel my preorder, because I've had it preordered for so long now that I want the updated collectors edition, and the reduced price I get from Amazon when they dropped the price sometime between last July and now... but I won't be able to play this game until I can save and buy a network card, and work out how the hell to set up a wireless internet connection.

This is additional expense, and in my eyes worth it, but some people can't do this. If I was living alone, then I certainly couldn't. I won't be able to do it for a good two to three months as I'm currently unemployed and using my Job Seekers Allowance to pay off a college debt.

This particular feature of the DRM makes it difficult for me to play this game, but Bioware games, and in particular DA are worth the extra effort in my view... but it's ridiculous to assume that people will check game requirements on the sequal to a game that needed no internet in the first game. If their computer is a gameing system, then they'll know it's specifications are capable of playing it, so they'll have no NEED to check the game requirements and a miniscule chance of spotting an internet connection requirement.


imho...

[Reaverwind]

Raven Snow wrote...


This particular feature of the DRM makes it difficult for me to play this game, but Bioware games, and in particular DA are worth the extra effort in my view... but it's ridiculous to assume that people will check game requirements on the sequal to a game that needed no internet in the first game. If their computer is a gameing system, then they'll know it's specifications are capable of playing it, so they'll have no NEED to check the game requirements and a miniscule chance of spotting an internet connection requirement.


imho...

All I can say to that is: Caveat emptor.

[Zigzaggy]

Reaverwind wrote...

Zigzaggy wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

And you are assuming that they know..So if they already don't have internet access how are they going to find out...on install ?

One would assume customers would at least check out the requirements listed on the damn box that the game comes in. Or are you saying Bioware will pull a fast one and not list that requirement on the box?

Again you assume none have preordered !

You clearly don't put alot of thought into your replies

[Reaverwind]

Zigzaggy wrote...

Again you assume none have preordered !

You clearly don't put alot of thought into your replies

You jump on the pre-order bandwagon, you take your chances.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 25 février 2011 - 10:51 .

[Jhime]

I just find the date check so unnecessary. Seems such a pointless thing to ****** off your customers for in a single player game.

[TheLiterator]

Will I have to have the EADM installed to do all of this one-time activation and stuff? Because if so, I'll prolly go for the Steam version, because EADM is just... awful.

[Zigzaggy]

Gunderwal wrote...



Wow. I'm actually impressed with this DRM.
I have never really had problems with DRM other than a few years back when DRM would kill my optical drives.

 

[darkblueglass]

Raven Snow wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Zigzaggy wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

And you are assuming that they know..So if they already don't have internet access how are they going to find out...on install ?

One would assume customers would at least check out the requirements listed on the damn box that the game comes in. Or are you saying Bioware will pull a fast one and not list that requirement on the box?

I agree that it's probably silly not to check the system requirements before buying BUT...
DA:O Didn't require an internet connection to play, I don't have an internet connection on my computer (I have to use my mums computer that isn't up for running games)... So I preordered DAII, assuming that like DA:O and DA:Awakenings it would run without an internet connection.

I only came on the forums by chance yesterday, and happened to spot this thread about the DRM features. I, personally, will not cancel my preorder, because I've had it preordered for so long now that I want the updated collectors edition, and the reduced price I get from Amazon when they dropped the price sometime between last July and now... but I won't be able to play this game until I can save and buy a network card, and work out how the hell to set up a wireless internet connection.

This is additional expense, and in my eyes worth it, but some people can't do this. If I was living alone, then I certainly couldn't. I won't be able to do it for a good two to three months as I'm currently unemployed and using my Job Seekers Allowance to pay off a college debt.

This particular feature of the DRM makes it difficult for me to play this game, but Bioware games, and in particular DA are worth the extra effort in my view... but it's ridiculous to assume that people will check game requirements on the sequal to a game that needed no internet in the first game. If their computer is a gameing system, then they'll know it's specifications are capable of playing it, so they'll have no NEED to check the game requirements and a miniscule chance of spotting an internet connection requirement.


imho...

Does your computer's motherboard have a lan port? Most relatively recent computer comes with a couple of lan ports. If it has, you can just connect your computer to your house's internet to log into the EA account after you install the game. After that, you don't need the internet at all to play the game.

[Raven Snow]

darkblueglass wrote...

Raven Snow wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Zigzaggy wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

fcpthebest wrote...

I don't understand how people are content with the situation... I mean, players with no Internet will have a hard time using what they actually paid for.

You're assuming players with no internet would be stupid enough to buy the game.

And you are assuming that they know..So if they already don't have internet access how are they going to find out...on install ?

One would assume customers would at least check out the requirements listed on the damn box that the game comes in. Or are you saying Bioware will pull a fast one and not list that requirement on the box?

I agree that it's probably silly not to check the system requirements before buying BUT...
DA:O Didn't require an internet connection to play, I don't have an internet connection on my computer (I have to use my mums computer that isn't up for running games)... So I preordered DAII, assuming that like DA:O and DA:Awakenings it would run without an internet connection.

I only came on the forums by chance yesterday, and happened to spot this thread about the DRM features. I, personally, will not cancel my preorder, because I've had it preordered for so long now that I want the updated collectors edition, and the reduced price I get from Amazon when they dropped the price sometime between last July and now... but I won't be able to play this game until I can save and buy a network card, and work out how the hell to set up a wireless internet connection.

This is additional expense, and in my eyes worth it, but some people can't do this. If I was living alone, then I certainly couldn't. I won't be able to do it for a good two to three months as I'm currently unemployed and using my Job Seekers Allowance to pay off a college debt.

This particular feature of the DRM makes it difficult for me to play this game, but Bioware games, and in particular DA are worth the extra effort in my view... but it's ridiculous to assume that people will check game requirements on the sequal to a game that needed no internet in the first game. If their computer is a gameing system, then they'll know it's specifications are capable of playing it, so they'll have no NEED to check the game requirements and a miniscule chance of spotting an internet connection requirement.


imho...

Does your computer's motherboard have a lan port? Most relatively recent computer comes with a couple of lan ports. If it has, you can just connect your computer to your house's internet to log into the EA account after you install the game. After that, you don't need the internet at all to play the game.

According to multiple "professionals", my PC is too far away from the houshold router for a wired connection, and there is not room in my flat to move my computer closer for this...

I prefer hardwired internet connections, I hate wireless ones, which is why I currently don't have internet, but for this game I'll grit my teeth lol. Really the point of my short rant was to point out that I onyl found out about this internet requirement by chance.

I'll work a way to get internet for the game, and Bioware won't loose my custom. This is still, by far, the best DRM I've seen in a long time

[Eurypterid]

Raven Snow wrote...
According to multiple "professionals", my PC is too far away from the houshold router for a wired connection, and there is not room in my flat to move my computer closer for this...

I prefer hardwired internet connections, I hate wireless ones, which is why I currently don't have internet, but for this game I'll grit my teeth lol. Really the point of my short rant was to point out that I onyl found out about this internet requirement by chance.

I'll work a way to get internet for the game, and Bioware won't loose my custom. This is still, by far, the best DRM I've seen in a long time

Save yourself some money and just haul your computer to wherever your mom's is located. Disconnect hers from the internet and connect yours. Activate the game, then haul it back to wherever you usually have it set up. Pain in the rearend, and I sympathize because one of my gaming rigs is upstairs and not connected to the net (which is why I hate activation DRM), but if it's just for this one game, that's probably better than spending your limited funds on a wireless network card.