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[Seifz]

I'm still confused about a few things.



1. If my Internet connection is active, the game will automatically "check in". Does this mean that I need to disable my Internet connection every time I play DA2 to keep it from doing that?



2. What are the sunset plans for when EA stops supporting this check in? Will you put them into the EULA for us?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Hey guys, I'd appreciate a little clarification on this if you can help me:



My brother pre ordered the SE of DA:2 on Steam. I used to play games on his computer, but with the game coming out we would both want to play it. I have steam with his account on my computer, in addition to his computer. Will it be possible for both of us to play DA:2 without any issues/game crashes or will I have to buy another version?



Another. Lets say I have to buy another version, and I use Direct2Drive. Will the DA:2 version of D2D require a steam activation, or not? Because I've been told that some D2D games still require steam. And if Steam doesn't allow for more computers to use the game as if I purchased it on a disc, then I want to get away from it. Plus I'm not a fan of using an application to launch my games.



Answers to these two questions would be great. Thanks in advance.



-Polite

[MDarwin]

Seifz wrote...

I'm still confused about a few things.

1. If my Internet connection is active, the game will automatically "check in". Does this mean that I need to disable my Internet connection every time I play DA2 to keep it from doing that?

2. What are the sunset plans for when EA stops supporting this check in? Will you put them into the EULA for us?

Second that one.

[Sblade]

kgersen wrote...

Tricky_Rich wrote...
Err...except that SecuROM as a program, is an evil little rootkit that can destroy your PC!

I hate securom as much as anybody but it's not a rootkit, not anymore than Steam or any other DRM scheme.

It's a urban legend that originated from some peoples not knowing how rootkit revealer tools work.

Mark Rusinovich posted on unearthed rootkits article:

Rootkits are Software that hides itself or other objects, such as files, processes,
and Registry keys, from view of standard diagnostic, administrative, and
security software.

Now ask yourself if you can detect Securom without notification, and specially in early implementations (2008 and lower approx) and answer yourself if it enters the definition or not.

I never heard Mark saying that his rootkit revealer detecting Securom was a bug.....

Aside from the philosophycal debate of this. What is commonly accepted is that Securom is invasive


And as for DA2 DRM.... the Release Control technology, where comes from?

[Eurypterid]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Hey guys, I'd appreciate a little clarification on this if you can help me:

My brother pre ordered the SE of DA:2 on Steam. I used to play games on his computer, but with the game coming out we would both want to play it. I have steam with his account on my computer, in addition to his computer. Will it be possible for both of us to play DA:2 without any issues/game crashes or will I have to buy another version?

I'm just speculating here, as I don't know the definitive answer, but my understanding is Steam's standard functionality is only one cmputer can log in to a particular account at a time. So both of you wouldn't be able to play at the same time. If you both fired up the game in off-line mode though, who knows?

Keep in mind that the only DRM on the Steam version is the standard Steam client. Nothing extra.

Another. Lets say I have to buy another version, and I use Direct2Drive. Will the DA:2 version of D2D require a steam activation, or not? Because I've been told that some D2D games still require steam. And if Steam doesn't allow for more computers to use the game as if I purchased it on a disc, then I want to get away from it. Plus I'm not a fan of using an application to launch my games.

Answers to these two questions would be great. Thanks in advance.

-Polite

Again, I can't say for certain, but I believe the only versions that are tied to Steam are those purchased through Steam.

[Jonp382]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

My brother pre ordered the SE of DA:2 on Steam.

What do you mean by SE? SE could mean either Signature Edition or Standard Edition. The Signature Edition is not available on Steam, if that's what he thinks he pre-ordered.

I used to play games on his computer, but with the game coming out we would both want to play it. I have steam with his account on my computer, in addition to his computer. Will it be possible for both of us to play DA:2 without any issues/game crashes or will I have to buy another version?

This is how I understand it. If you both want to play the game on your brother's Steam account, then one of you has to play on your brother's account with the internet disabled.

Another. Lets say I have to buy another version, and I use Direct2Drive. Will the DA:2 version of D2D require a steam activation, or not?

Not. Only Steam purchases of DA2 require Steam to play.

[Lumikki]

Looks nice, for buyed disks, game only checks DRM if online or first time after instaling the game. This makes player life alot easyer. No disk required and can play offline. So, player only need internet connection one time, after installing game.

Thanks bioware.

Modifié par Lumikki, 26 février 2011 - 03:53 .

[Vhaius]

Now this is DRM I can get behind.

[Jaron Oberyn]

@Eurypterid and Jonp382 - Thanks for the clarification guys. I think I'll just end up buying it off of D2D. If not, then I'll try offline mode on my comp. I'm hoping it won't be a problem since it's not an online multiplayer game or anything.



-Polite

[craigdolphin]

Gotta say, Bioware, well done. Not forcing recurring online activations in the absence of an active Internet connection is going to be much more friendly for your customers!



Very happy with this.

[gizzt]

I am disappointed with this DRM. I am sure the reasons why any DRM is bad are known (i.e. either screws paying customers or does nothing at all against thiefs).

Surely the industry has figured out no DRM is the best policy by now so at least the paying customer gets an equal quality version of the game.

Modifié par gizzt, 26 février 2011 - 09:01 .

[kgersen]

Tricky_Rich wrote...
SecuROM nestles at the base of your OS, takes over functionality of your PC and has more privileged access to your system, than you do as administrator...in my eyes, that counts as a rootkit.

Then every drivers installed on your computer are also rootkits, that's exactly the issue with some implementation of Securom,  it install a driver which can causes instabilities on some system, but that doesn't make it a "rootkit". Securom wasn't the only copy protection scheme that was causing similar issue and Securom was pretty harmless compared to TAGES and Starforce. Speaking of which the issue of "destruction" of some DVD drives was caused by Starforce and it's unconventional way to access your drive, but one again it doesn't make it a rootkit either.

But this is irrelevant because that was three years ago, current implementation of Secorum, or even Starforce or TAGES are pretty harmless compared to where they were some time ago.

Sblade wrote...
I never heard Mark saying that his rootkit revealer detecting Securom was a bug.....

It was not a bug, Rootkit revealer is not a an "anti virus", rootkit revealer does not detect rootkit per se, rootkit revealer detect traces USUALLY left by rootkits that's where the big difference is. What rootkit revealer detected with securom was a registry entry which was using a non-standard character that wasn't displayed by Regedit or other standard registry editor, a trick that some rootkit (or even some viruses) use.

But Rootkit Revealer also use to detect perfectly legit programs like Kaspersky antivirus, not because it was really a rootkit but because it uses NTFS alternate stream which is something perfectly legit and harmless but is something that some rootkit uses  to hide themselves.

[Jarradane]

Congrats for not falling to this trend of ridiculous drm.



I have one question, when I installed Dawn of War 2, that one time validation involved a force 3Gig download before I could play at all. Only half of the game (a little over 3 gigs) was actually on the disc, I trust that will not be the case with this game?



THQ said about as much about the drm as I have read here.

[MrMcDoll]

Only bad side to this is that I live in New Zealand, and there are some parts of the country that can't get Broadband. My Dad lives in such a place and thus cannot play the game if i buy it for him as he won't be able to log on and such.

[Kevin Lynch]

kgersen (and others), remember Chris said that this thread isn't for general DRM discussion but only for questions/comments about DA2's specific implementation. Please keep that in mind, especially since it's already been stated that the final game doesn't use DRM programs like Securom.

[FDrage]

Don't quite get the DRM in DAII ... at least not in regards to anti-piracy if one can get it running on 5 different 5PCs in 24h. What's the point of going on about "anti-piracy" in this case.



In terms of 2nd hand sales it makes a lot more sense.



Still prefer disc check to online authentication and unfortunately I don't have the choice with DAII in contrast to BC2.

[Erika T]

 does this mean i cannot play the game on a pc that doesnt have internet connection?  surely not???!?!

[Fraevar]

Erika T wrote...

 does this mean i cannot play the game on a pc that doesnt have internet connection?  surely not???!?!

Correct. If you do not perform the first online-check, then you cannot play the game. You can play offline forever after you do that first check, however.

[kgersen]

Kevin Lynch wrote...
kgersen (and others), remember Chris said that this thread isn't for general DRM discussion but only for questions/comments about DA2's specific implementation.

Ok, no problem I stop here the Securom digressions.





But on the other side I hope we will get an answer from Bioware
concerning whenever it would be possible to announce an official DRM
removal date.

[Erika T]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Erika T wrote...

 does this mean i cannot play the game on a pc that doesnt have internet connection?  surely not???!?!

Correct. If you do not perform the first online-check, then you cannot play the game. You can play offline forever after you do that first check, however.

hmm really?? this cant be right - that means if i dont have internet connection i cannot play the game?  why not?? i need a copy for a pc that does not (and cannot) have internet connection, what to do with that, any suggestions? i dont mind paying for multiple copies, but how can they demand internet connection for a game?  

[Fraevar]

Erika T wrote...

hmm really?? this cant be right - that means if i dont have internet connection i cannot play the game?  why not?? i need a copy for a pc that does not (and cannot) have internet connection, what to do with that, any suggestions? i dont mind paying for multiple copies, but how can they demand internet connection for a game?  

You will need to take said PC somewhere that does have Internet(or use your smartphone if you have one) and do the online check there. Sadly, most publishers are defaulting to at least one online authentication for PC games these days, regardless of effectiveness or how it can affect customers such as yourself - but that's for a different topic.

[Erika T]

thanks for the answer - this is another disappointing thing - are they even allowed to do that, to start with? cant take the said pc anywhere. its in a house in the middle of a national park on the lower zambezi! not everywhere in the world do people have internet. this is a serious concern from me, i wonder if the developers could say anything about this?

[AlexMBrennan]

Of course they are allowed to do that - it will say (in tiny print on the bottom of the box) that an internet connection is required to play the game; if you buy the game anyway it's your fault (you can't buy an apple and complain that it isn't a banana).

They really should offer activation by phone, though. Alternatively they could just realise that this can't possibly work as long as users are able to arbitrarily modify any part of the operating system (binaries, BW pubkeys, DNS records, memory...) and just ship a DRM-free product...
Edit: cf Computer Forensics 101 - you CANNOT trust a running system. Addendum: DRM gets all data from the running system

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 26 février 2011 - 02:00 .

[Erika T]

oooh the tiny print, that explains all...



shame. thanks for clarifying though, that's one less sale for DA2 now as my cousin is not getting it. shame.