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[Eurypterid]

Persephone wrote...

Oh, I know. But why would Amazon even OFFER this, given Bioware's setup?

I doubt they even know how the DRM works or if they do, they don't care. Faster shipping is likely an option on anything you buy, as some people want their products 'right now'. At worst, I guess you could read through the manual a couple times if you get it early.

[Persephone]

Eurypterid wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Oh, I know. But why would Amazon even OFFER this, given Bioware's setup?

I doubt they even know how the DRM works or if they do, they don't care. Faster shipping is likely an option on anything you buy, as some people want their products 'right now'. At worst, I guess you could read through the manual a couple times if you get it early.

At least I found out in time. Oh well, better early than late.

[ReplicantZero]

Kudos to Bioware for removing the 'phone home' requirement - that would have completely ruled out the game for me as I now only buy games that I can run when I'm away from home (ie without my internet connection).

Now a possible purchase instead of a complete no-go.

Modifié par ReplicantZero, 27 février 2011 - 08:06 .

[Fr33d0m]

I am very disappointed to hear about the DRM change from DAO to DA2. I will likely not purchase the game because of the DRM.
Supporting this DRM system is short-sighted. I do not want to pay $60 for a few years of access to a game, and only if I have Internet on the PC. My family still enjoys playing the original Diablo. I can and still enjoy playing console titles over the past 25 years, and sharing them with my children and grandchildren (Nintendo, SNES, etc). Taken to the extreme: I can play boardgames my grandfather purchased 70 years ago. I can potentially share DAO with someone or replay it myself 20 years from now, long after EA and Bioware are a distant memory. That is my expected right for the purchase.
What is next, when you buy a music CD at the store, you must authenticate and activate each car, computer, stereo, phone, mp3 player, etc before you can play it? How many people enjoy playing records that are 50 years old? Sorry, can't listen to that any more, the authentication server is long gone. Got a nice old book in print? Once they are all ebooks, you better hope it doesn't authenticate before you can open to the first page, or you won't be able to read any of it. Or sell it. Or give it away.
These are fundamental problems with this method of DRM:
No longevity. No transfer of ownership.
There are numerous other problems with it, such as inconvenience, privacy, etc. Do you not realize EA will have the date / time / IP address of each CD key authenticated, and that can be used to identify down to the city level easily, and in court can identify an individual (through ISP records). What we are witnessing is a slippery slope of more and more invasive controls on our consumption of our purchases, over time.
Meanwhile, the pirates have all the movies, music, books, and games they want, at their fingertips. The day of release, usually.
I will continue to enjoy my offline, legal experience of DAO, for many decades if I would like. And I can resell it, or pass it on to my family.
I will leave you with this simple analogy:
If I buy a deck of playing cards, I should be able to loan them, sell them, use them right away, use them anywhere, etc. You would still make plenty of money if you followed this model with the video games you sell, EA.
With the way you have currently chosen, you will make at least one less sale. Mine.

[Dridengx]

Psearo wrote...

Not needing the disc in the machine to play for retail copies????<br />
<br />
I R HAPPY BUNNY!

I know! so happy about this.

[Najarr]

Thank you Bioware. You have re-kindled my interest in the game, after losing hope when I saw the price was $60. BS when PC gamers get docked an extra ten for no reason. Consoles have the excuse of licensing for the platform. Seeing that the paid version of the game won't be a pain to get working is refreshing.

[TwistedComplex]

Fr33d0m wrote...

I am very disappointed to hear about the DRM change from DAO to DA2. I will likely not purchase the game because of the DRM.
Supporting this DRM system is short-sighted. I do not want to pay $60 for a few years of access to a game, and only if I have Internet on the PC. My family still enjoys playing the original Diablo. I can and still enjoy playing console titles over the past 25 years, and sharing them with my children and grandchildren (Nintendo, SNES, etc). Taken to the extreme: I can play boardgames my grandfather purchased 70 years ago. I can potentially share DAO with someone or replay it myself 20 years from now, long after EA and Bioware are a distant memory. That is my expected right for the purchase.
What is next, when you buy a music CD at the store, you must authenticate and activate each car, computer, stereo, phone, mp3 player, etc before you can play it? How many people enjoy playing records that are 50 years old? Sorry, can't listen to that any more, the authentication server is long gone. Got a nice old book in print? Once they are all ebooks, you better hope it doesn't authenticate before you can open to the first page, or you won't be able to read any of it. Or sell it. Or give it away.
These are fundamental problems with this method of DRM:
No longevity. No transfer of ownership.
There are numerous other problems with it, such as inconvenience, privacy, etc. Do you not realize EA will have the date / time / IP address of each CD key authenticated, and that can be used to identify down to the city level easily, and in court can identify an individual (through ISP records). What we are witnessing is a slippery slope of more and more invasive controls on our consumption of our purchases, over time.
Meanwhile, the pirates have all the movies, music, books, and games they want, at their fingertips. The day of release, usually.
I will continue to enjoy my offline, legal experience of DAO, for many decades if I would like. And I can resell it, or pass it on to my family.
I will leave you with this simple analogy:
If I buy a deck of playing cards, I should be able to loan them, sell them, use them right away, use them anywhere, etc. You would still make plenty of money if you followed this model with the video games you sell, EA.
With the way you have currently chosen, you will make at least one less sale. Mine.

You're a bit late to the party

They removed the phone home check in, and they have a sun-set DRM plan

All your points are invalid, sorry

[Kidd]

I love how people try to demonise this DRM. Heck reading this DRM as a console player, I get jealous since even though I don't have any online activations or anything, I still require the disc to be in the drive. PC users, stop complaining! This DRM is pure awesomecakes! >=3

[seje]

Hi anyone know if the pr-order via play.com include The Lion of Orlais Shield and The Fadeshear Sword? try´d writing to them but no reply and wont not order from them if not....

[Killjoy Cutter]

Big thanks to BioWare and EA for tweaking the DRM.

[topmostjameser]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

This DRM is pure awesomecakes! >=3

My thoughts exactly. Not even a disk check.

[KelsieKatt]

Chris Priestly wrote...

• After each new install there is a 1-time online check needed the next time you play, requiring a log in to your EA account to verify game ownership.  If you are a member of these forums, you already have an EA account – just use the same email/password.
• You can play offline thereafter - the game will NOT require any subsequent login checks.  If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play.

Still not entirely happy about that. Granted, it's less intrusive, but login checks no matter what means that eventually the login support may be shut down and there's no guaruntee that that the company will release something to disable the check.

[Argoyne]

I cancelled my pre-order as I simply won't allow any online checks whatsoever in any game I play. If the requirement is ever removed I'll buy it but till then no dice.

I maintain my position from the last DRM thread that this really isn't about piracy and is about marketing. I have no issue with marketing for those who are happy to take part but for people like me, making the assumption I ain't alone, forcing us to sign-up under the pre-tense that it will stop pirates isn't nice.

[kgersen]

TwistedComplex wrote...
You're a bit late to the party

They removed the phone home check in, and they have a sun-set DRM plan

All your points are invalid, sorry

Well wrong and wrong, they haven't removed the phone home they only removed the recurring phone home but you still need to be online every time you install your game and change something significant to your hardware and they haven't announced an official dated sunset plan (i.e. mentioned in the EULA or with a defined date)

[kgersen]

Leonick91 wrote...
Well there isnt exactly a reason to patch the DRM out of the game if the servers are still up now is there?
And if the servers would be shut down and no patch would be in sight you can get rid of it just the same way the pirates will a few days after launch

The true question is why keep it ? that the DRM protect from zero day piracy and might help during the initial sales window, maybe... but one or two years after the game release what is it's purpose ?

Personally I see removing it as a sign of "good will" from the editor to the peoples who bought the game. Also some peoples, like myself, are also more inclined to tolerate the presence of DRM if they know it is going to be removed after a reasonable amount of time.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I know that this is the DRM thread, but it also says "FAQ", and I can't find another place to provide feedback about the info on the "DA2 FAQ" page.

Why in Thedas would the first part of the body of the document mention Mass Effect 2?!?





Looks out of place, to say the least.  Just sayin'...

Link to "official" FAQ page:  dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/faq/, so you can see for yourself. 

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 28 février 2011 - 08:01 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, I guess that image proves it since it's absolutely impossible to edit images. Also, quoting stuff out of context is a great idea.

Experience the epic sequel to the 2009 Game of the Year from the critically acclaimed makers of Dragon Age™:
Origins and Mass Effect™ 2

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 28 février 2011 - 08:13 .

[Chris Priestly]

We're the makers of Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2. I'm not sure I see a problem here....?

[Wissenschaft]

DA:O and Mass effect are both highly successful games, why wouldn't they pimp their credentials?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I didn't edit anything OUT. I grabbed a screenshot, added a red frame to highlight the issue, and an editorial comment to guide the mind to my question.  I also provided the link to the source so anyone can see what I saw.

Nothing about "From the makers of..." anywhere on the screen.

THAT was my point. The words, as written, don't makes any sense.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 28 février 2011 - 08:30 .

[stormhit]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

I didn't edit anything OUT. I grabbed a screenshot, added a red frame to highlight the issue, and an editorial comment to guide the mind to my question.  I also provided the link to the source so anyone can see what I saw.

Nothing about "From the makers of..." anywhere on the screen.

THAT was my point. The words, as written, don't makes any sense.

It looks like it's an IE related issue.  It does the same thing for me if I have the browser in "compatibility view."

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Ah ha! So a Webmaster/webpage designer issue. Jeff? Oh Je-eff!

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 28 février 2011 - 08:37 .

[Fredvdp]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Ah ha! So a Webmaster/webpage designer issue. Jeff? Oh Je-eff!

Or a browser glitch.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 28 février 2011 - 08:38 .

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Well, a "browser glitch" repeatable by different people on different machines. MAY be limited to / unfixable by those using IE versions prior to IE8, (but that would be most of the planet, according to the latest figures...)

[AlexMBrennan]

The generated HTML is not valid (that is hardly surprising) but the errors are, as far as I can tell, due to an incorrectly nested definition (p can't contain block level elements such as dl) and a few missing/incorrect alt attributes. I can't quite see how that would result in a single line being hidden.

<h4 class="question" id="system_requirements">What are the system requirements?</h4>
<p>
<dl>
<dt><strong>PC Recommended:</strong></dt>
<dd><em>CPU:</em> Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4 GHz Processor or equivalent [sic - dd closing tag is missing]

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 28 février 2011 - 09:08 .