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[Literateminority]

passionata wrote...

g-vapen wrote...

Is there anyway to remove SecuROM w/o killing DA2 or are we SOL?

I removed SecuRom from my system using the official uninstall tool and DA2 runs just fine, though the uninstaller might leave some traces of SecuRom on the System.

No, each time you start the game it re-installs securom! What you can do, is do play only while your pc is offline, and after you play uninstall securom again bevore you connect to the internet. This at least will probably stop this malware from sending the date it collects.

[metalfenix]

Elyvern wrote...

stomprnm2 wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...

stomprnm2 wrote...

So, presumeing that you wont delete your own thread, can you explain why exactly my last write to secuRom entry was exactly the same time when steam finished off installing Dragon Age 2?
(which was even before unlocking the game for me to play at midnight)

So, it's on the steam version too, or am I misunderstanding?

Yes, I have the steam version and it's on that too.

I am speechless.... They even snuck it onto the Steam version given all the protection steam already has? I play on steam to get away from all this crap about DRM in retail copies. This is just as bad as Ubisoft! At least Ubisoft has the goddamn DECENCY to inform you about their extra DRM in place even in steam. This outright lie by omission for DA2 is just...god, I'm going to step away before I blow my top off.

The added Securom even in the digital versions?

Now they have lied to the legal buyers of the PC retail version AND the digital version. When I have my copy on my hands I won't install it until I hear an official statement about this.

Modifié par metalfenix, 11 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[Knight Terror]

Isn't SecuROM a violation of US Federal Law, as was reported during the initial BioShock fiasco?

And can anyone confirm for 100% if the Steam version came with SecuROM?

[Getterray]

Knight Terror wrote...

Isn't SecuROM a violation of US Federal Law, as was reported during the initial BioShock fiasco?

And can anyone confirm for 100% if the Steam version came with SecuROM?

Yes, it is against the law.

Bioware installing it without your knowledge and publishing reports contrary is as bad as Sony and their Rootkit BS.

[stomprnm2]

Knight Terror wrote...

Isn't SecuROM a violation of US Federal Law, as was reported during the initial BioShock fiasco?

And can anyone confirm for 100% if the Steam version came with SecuROM?

Yes I can confrim it.

I have the steam version, since Dragon Age II was the only game I have installed in the past week and the date of the last entry of secuRom is dated last night after steam downloaded the final part just before it unlocked.

[RGDekta]

first Yes there is securerom entries in the registry but 2nd there is no evidence of securerom files registry != Files

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Bad investigation by "Reclaim Your Game".  They saw the secuROM NAME, and presumed it was the same, (or a variation on the same) program.  Not at all the case.  Where, for example, are the notorius "hidden" directories that were at the heart of the secuROM issue in the first place?   

That DA2 used a date-dependent release control mechanism, and some people don't like that, is one issue. 

That the mechanism was developed by a(n in)famous DRM developer (Sony), is another. 

But that the mechanism installed SOMETHING associated with itself in order to function does NOT mean secuROM, the program, was installed.  Nor does it mean that anything like secuROM (in purpose or operation)  is used in DA2.

But... "Hater's gonna Hate."

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 11 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[Knight Terror]

stomprnm2 wrote...

Knight Terror wrote...

Isn't SecuROM a violation of US Federal Law, as was reported during the initial BioShock fiasco?

And can anyone confirm for 100% if the Steam version came with SecuROM?

Yes I can confrim it.

I have the steam version, since Dragon Age II was the only game I have installed in the past week and the date of the last entry of secuRom is dated last night after steam downloaded the final part just before it unlocked.

DAMN IT!

NOW I'm actually pissed

[metalfenix]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Bad investigation by "Reclaim Your Game".  They saw the secuROM NAME, and presumed it was the same, (or a variation on the same) program.  Not at all the case.  Where, for example, are the notorius "hidden" directories that were at the heart of the secuROM issue in the first place?   

That DA2 used a date-dependent release control mechanism, and some people don't like that, is one issue. 

That the mechanism was developed by a(n in)famous DRM developer (Sony), is another. 

But that the mechanism installed SOMETHING associated with itself in order to function does NOT mean secuROM, the program, was installed.  Nor does it mean that anything like secuROM (in purpose or operation)  is used in DA2.

But... "Hater's gonna Hate."

I was thinking about that. All we have is the registry entries, but anyone have other evidence of securom running? like a file directory, or a process name running?

I don't know about securom at all, and I would like to know.

[chosef]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Bad investigation by "Reclaim Your Game".  They saw the secuROM NAME, and presumed it was the same, (or a variation on the same) program.  Not at all the case.  Where, for example, are the notorius "hidden" directories that were at the heart of the secuROM issue in the first place?   

That DA2 used a date-dependent release control mechanism, and some people don't like that, is one issue. 

That the mechanism was developed by a(n in)famous DRM developer (Sony), is another. 

But that the mechanism installed SOMETHING associated with itself in order to function does NOT mean secuROM, the program, was installed.  Nor does it mean that anything like secuROM (in purpose or operation)  is used in DA2.

But... "Hater's gonna Hate."

Oh cool. So it's just a misunderstanding. Everything's fine.

Now all that Bioware needs to do is explain this little misunderstanding, so that the speculations, hate and frustration will stop. Hmmm, I wonder why they have not done it yet. Seems a good enough plan, and it's been a while since the article was posted...

[darrylzero]

metalfenix wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Bad investigation by "Reclaim Your Game".  They saw the secuROM NAME, and presumed it was the same, (or a variation on the same) program.  Not at all the case.  Where, for example, are the notorius "hidden" directories that were at the heart of the secuROM issue in the first place?   

That DA2 used a date-dependent release control mechanism, and some people don't like that, is one issue. 

That the mechanism was developed by a(n in)famous DRM developer (Sony), is another. 

But that the mechanism installed SOMETHING associated with itself in order to function does NOT mean secuROM, the program, was installed.  Nor does it mean that anything like secuROM (in purpose or operation)  is used in DA2.

But... "Hater's gonna Hate."

I was thinking about that. All we have is the registry entries, but anyone have other evidence of securom running? like a file directory, or a process name running?

I don't know about securom at all, and I would like to know.

I'd like to echo this.  There's a lot I don't really understand here and would like to understand better.

[mki]

well, why would they need securom reg entries if they don't use securom at all? doesn't make sense, now does it?

[Krazikarl]

Its going to be a while before they respond I think. Installing secuROM without telling consumers about it is straight up illegal - the courts have ruled on it specifically. So anything they say on it will have to run through lawyers so they can try and keep lawsuits to a minimum.

[stomprnm2]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Bad investigation by "Reclaim Your Game".  They saw the secuROM NAME, and presumed it was the same, (or a variation on the same) program.  Not at all the case.  Where, for example, are the notorius "hidden" directories that were at the heart of the secuROM issue in the first place?   

That DA2 used a date-dependent release control mechanism, and some people don't like that, is one issue. 

That the mechanism was developed by a(n in)famous DRM developer (Sony), is another. 

But that the mechanism installed SOMETHING associated with itself in order to function does NOT mean secuROM, the program, was installed.  Nor does it mean that anything like secuROM (in purpose or operation)  is used in DA2.

But... "Hater's gonna Hate."

Well, you are in the same situation as myself. Just as I cannot prove that the entry means that the program was in fact installed by the entry, you cannot prove that it wasn't.

Without predjudice:

I am simply stating that the original posted information is states that secuRom is not included with Dragons Age II where in fact, it seems it is.

I will simply ignore any "Hater's gotta hate," comment's, as that's just your opinion and quite frankly, childish.

I will await Bioware/EA's explanation, if they actually take the time to explain themselve's.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Krazikarl wrote...

Its going to be a while before they respond I think. Installing secuROM without telling consumers about it is straight up illegal - the courts have ruled on it specifically. So anything they say on it will have to run through lawyers so they can try and keep lawsuits to a minimum.

I predict that EA will have to explain this.

[AquiziTC]

Steam users!

Ran a scan on it and got this:

Scanning -> C:\\Games\\Steam\\steamapps\\common\\dragon age ii\\bin_ship\\DragonAge2.exe
File Type : 32-Bit Exe (Subsystem : Win GUI / 2), Size : 12477160 (0BE62E8h) Byte(s)
-> File Appears to be Digitally Signed @ Offset 0BE4E00h, size : 014E8h / 05352 byte(s)
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000001001100000000000101 (0x0004C005)
[!] Steam Stub (new) detected
[!] Possible CD/DVD-Key or Serial Check -> SerialNumber
[CompilerDetect] -> Visual C++ 9.0 (Visual Studio 2008)
- Scan Took : 0.516 Second(s)

So it seems to be clean, scanned the whole folder and didn't find a thing. I'm unsure why people who do have SecuROM on their machines have found registry updates.

I could not find, on my machine, the file "dragonage2_activation.exe" file that was found to contain the SecuROM in the article found here: http://arstechnica.c...=1#comments-bar

So again, I think Steam is in the clear.

Modifié par AquiziTC, 11 mars 2011 - 08:10 .

[Akeso42]

"Does not use securom"

I am also pretty sure that E.A. is under a court order to declare the use of SecuROM

I am also positive that this will constitute decpeptive trade practices due in large part to the outright assurance that this wouldn't be in the product.

I've already filled a complaint with the BB and I look forward to the coming class action lawsuit.

Modifié par Akeso42, 11 mars 2011 - 08:15 .

[AquiziTC]

Just to note, I've also apparently heard that the reviewer copies sent out to reviewers for DA2 did have SecuROM on them? I.. guess that makes sense, considering it's a copy to do a job, and is generally received early of the release data and all. I wonder if that might be what is in the article I posted above. I'm speculating now, however.

[Morty Smith]

I would like to see a patch that removes the release-date-check at least. What purpose does it serve to keep it now to lock people out after release?

[Sblade]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Bad investigation by "Reclaim Your Game".  They saw the secuROM NAME, and presumed it was the same, (or a variation on the same) program.  Not at all the case.  Where, for example, are the notorius "hidden" directories that were at the heart of the secuROM issue in the first place?   

That DA2 used a date-dependent release control mechanism, and some people don't like that, is one issue. 

That the mechanism was developed by a(n in)famous DRM developer (Sony), is another. 

But that the mechanism installed SOMETHING associated with itself in order to function does NOT mean secuROM, the program, was installed.  Nor does it mean that anything like secuROM (in purpose or operation)  is used in DA2.

But... "Hater's gonna Hate."

The answer is just a page before:

Eag07 wrote...

Securom installation leaves traces in your
registry that can be easily found. You can check for yourself whether
your system got "infected":

Open regedit, search for "Securom",
it should find the key in HK_Current_UserSoftware, export the whole
Securom folder as a text file so you can see the timestamps. There
should be a few keys with creation time/date coinciding with the time
you installed DA2.

Click on my signature and see for yourself

[metalfenix]

I can't access the reclaimyourgame site, it says 403 forbidden, it's only me or anyone else have this problem?

[Oppopji]

metalfenix wrote...

I was thinking about that. All we have is the registry entries, but anyone have other evidence of securom running? like a file directory, or a process name running?

I don't know about securom at all, and I would like to know.

The files are located in %temp%\\mtka_tmp

[Sblade]

metalfenix wrote...

I can't access the reclaimyourgame site, it says 403 forbidden, it's only me or anyone else have this problem?

We have a heavy traffic site issue. I´m looking into that. It should be back in a matter of minutes

[ofish]

I'm hoping it has something to do with the date check, however if it actually is SecuROM that the game installs after Bioware expressly stated otherwise...
Anyways, guess we all have to wait and see.

[Valaskjalf]

Oppopji wrote...

metalfenix wrote...

I was thinking about that. All we have is the registry entries, but anyone have other evidence of securom running? like a file directory, or a process name running?

I don't know about securom at all, and I would like to know.

The files are located in %temp%mtka_tmp

if anyone actually runs that file they will see that it is merely the release date check. the traditional SecurROM disc control is nowhere to be seen.