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[Jendow]

 I have purchased and registered the signature version of DAII and redeemed the fadeshear sword and lion of orlais shield successfully and the DAII online pass but see no evidence of the appearance changes said to be part of this bonus. When does the appearance choices unlock? Shouldn't it be at the beginning when we choose our character? Mine are still unavailable. Have I missed something? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

regards, Jen 

[RiouHotaru]

Sblade wrote...

Yes, this is a type of SecuROM and is part of the SecuROM suite. The executable had SecuROM strings in it. All of our tools identified it as part of SecuROM. It connected to Sony DADC servers. I somehow find it hard to believe that the people who put it in the game had any doubt in their mind as to what this would be seen as when it was recognized. If this is not SecuROM they should not label it as such on the executable

Except that regardless of whether it LOOKS like SecuROM or not...it's not.  It's made by the same team, who likely used the same software they use to make SecuROM to make the Date Release Check, hence probably why your programs label it as SecuROM.  This is what you'd probably refer to as a "false positive" like when Norton or other anti-virus software reads an otherwise benign file as a virus despite the user knowing otherwise.

Edit: Also, since they clearly told us ahead of time (read the first page) it should've been obvious what it actually was, regardless of what the executable is labeled as.  Jumping the gun and screaming foul play when everyone was clearly told was was coming isn't on Bioware or EA.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 11 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[Valaskjalf]

Jendow wrote...

 I have purchased and registered the signature version of DAII and redeemed the fadeshear sword and lion of orlais shield successfully and the DAII online pass but see no evidence of the appearance changes said to be part of this bonus. When does the appearance choices unlock? Shouldn't it be at the beginning when we choose our character? Mine are still unavailable. Have I missed something? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

regards, Jen 

wrong thread but I'll bite - if they show up in main menu -> extras -> unlockables, you'll get mail about them in-game once you complete the intro

[mt2e]

ATTENTION!!!!: RIOUHOTARU has no clue what SecuROM is and is a complete idiot. Dragon Age 2 HAS SecuROM. "https://support.secu...movaltool.html" is the link for the SecuROM removal. Again Riouhotaru and Dirwulf for that matter has NO IDEA what their talking about

[Literateminority]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sblade wrote...

Yes, this is a type of SecuROM and is part of the SecuROM suite. The executable had SecuROM strings in it. All of our tools identified it as part of SecuROM. It connected to Sony DADC servers. I somehow find it hard to believe that the people who put it in the game had any doubt in their mind as to what this would be seen as when it was recognized. If this is not SecuROM they should not label it as such on the executable

Except that regardless of whether it LOOKS like SecuROM or not...it's not.  It's made by the same team, who likely used the same software they use to make SecuROM to make the Date Release Check, hence probably why your programs label it as SecuROM.

Sorry, your reasoning is appealing. Like when the US army claimed that the stuff they dropped on civilians in Iraq technically wasn't napalm --which is outlawed-- because it used instead of kerosin something even nastier in the mix to make it even worse. It comes from securom, it looks like securom, ergo it is securom.

[Longblade]

Yikes!...calm down mt2e...play nice.

[RiouHotaru]

Literateminority wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sblade wrote...

Yes, this is a type of SecuROM and is part of the SecuROM suite. The executable had SecuROM strings in it. All of our tools identified it as part of SecuROM. It connected to Sony DADC servers. I somehow find it hard to believe that the people who put it in the game had any doubt in their mind as to what this would be seen as when it was recognized. If this is not SecuROM they should not label it as such on the executable

Except that regardless of whether it LOOKS like SecuROM or not...it's not.  It's made by the same team, who likely used the same software they use to make SecuROM to make the Date Release Check, hence probably why your programs label it as SecuROM.

Sorry, your reasoning is appealing. Like when the US army claimed that the stuff they dropped on civilians in Iraq technically wasn't napalm --which is outlawed-- because it used instead of kerosin something even nastier in the mix to make it even worse. It comes from securom, it looks like securom, ergo it is securom.

...Did you HAVE to bring that up?  Do you realize bringing stuff up like that gets threads locked or folks banned, and I don't think anyone wants to see more of that, myself included.  Also, to counter your analogy, ever had food that looked like crap, smelled like crap, but actually tasted good, therefore, not crap?  Yeah, same thing here.  Looking like SecuROM doesn't make it SecuROM.  I mean really, you think EA would risk a SECOND crapstorm after the first one for kicks?

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 11 mars 2011 - 11:28 .

[mt2e]

Idiot: An utterly foolish or senseless person.

The only arguable thing is a difference between SecuROM DRM and SecuROM:Sony Release Control........


ITS STILL SecuROM what are people not getting.

If you can download the removal tool from SecuROM's website and it removes the malware, its a PROBLEM.

and saying this I am aware of the official response to this

"Sorry, but there is some confusion on this. We use Sony Release Control which shares some functionality with other Sony products (SecuROM), but we do not use SecuROM for the DRM. Once the Sony Release Control check is passed, Release Control self-destructs, removing the Release Control wrapper and it is never used again. Game updates will not use Release Control because obviously the release date is passed. Additionally, installing the game and then any future game patch will also remove the Sony Release Control check and it will never run on your computer. "

[whatthef]

BioWare/EA do you confirm what is being written even here in the FAQ about steam version of the game?

I mean...
"Steam versions use Steam DRM, no other DRM is added"

[RiouHotaru]

mt2e wrote...

Idiot: An utterly foolish or senseless person.

The only arguable thing is a difference between SecuROM DRM and SecuROM:Sony Release Control........


ITS STILL SecuROM what are people not getting.

If you can download the removal tool from SecuROM's website and it removes the malware, its a PROBLEM.

and saying this I am aware of the official response to this

"Sorry, but there is some confusion on this. We use Sony Release Control which shares some functionality with other Sony products (SecuROM), but we do not use SecuROM for the DRM. Once the Sony Release Control check is passed, Release Control self-destructs, removing the Release Control wrapper and it is never used again. Game updates will not use Release Control because obviously the release date is passed. Additionally, installing the game and then any future game patch will also remove the Sony Release Control check and it will never run on your computer. "

Wait, so if you know the response, then why are you posting saying it's SecuROM when you already know it's not?  Isn't that just a wee bit counter-productive?

[Valaskjalf]

mt2e wrote...

The only arguable thing is a difference between SecuROM DRM and SecuROM:Sony Release Control........

ITS STILL SecuROM what are people not getting.

If you can download the removal tool from SecuROM's website and it removes the malware, its a PROBLEM.

But what is included in DA2 it isn'tSecurROM DRM, isn't a rootkit, and isn't malware. 

Sensationalizing a date check program and claiming it is malware is libel. 

[Sblade]

Securom Release Control

So EA, Riohoutaru and its cronies, look at the screenshots, very similar to the ones we have in Dragon Age 2.

Also, if Sony DADC has already a Release Control technology, they have done a completely different technology with the same purpose of Release Control?

Does anyone buys this? If that were true, that technology will have their own DNS

[mt2e]

If a process installs on my computer and has a labeling of "SecuROM" in any shape or form, I'm upset. ....and for the record as a consumer I'm going to consider a Release Control mechanism a form of DRM. A form of enforcing their Digital Rights......

Thats like saying ohh its not a Toyota ...its a Prius

[metalfenix]

They should release a patch ASAP to eliminate this annoying (and unnecesary) release control then, this securom scandal might become a big problem, and certainly it's an annoyance for the future buyers (unless they plan to get it pirated, and sincerely, after seeing this I cannot blame anyone who pirate this game)

And I'm considering not installing my copy when it arrives...my computer has no trace of this malware (it only have DA: Origins on it) and I want to keep it that way.

Modifié par metalfenix, 12 mars 2011 - 12:00 .

[RiouHotaru]

Valaskjalf wrote...

mt2e wrote...

The only arguable thing is a difference between SecuROM DRM and SecuROM:Sony Release Control........

ITS STILL SecuROM what are people not getting.

If you can download the removal tool from SecuROM's website and it removes the malware, its a PROBLEM.

But what is included in DA2 it isn'tSecurROM DRM, isn't a rootkit, and isn't malware. 

Sensationalizing a date check program and claiming it is malware is libel. 

Honestly dude, don't even bother, you did the check yourself, and found there wasn't anything there.  Let them keep spouting.  It's obvious they believe it's SecuROM and nothing anyone else says is going to possibly change their mind.  I'd suggest going back and enjoying the game and let a mod/representative sort this out.

[mt2e]

Many people consider SecuROM malware I'm sorry if you disagree....libel.....only place that would work is the UK.....

[MDarwin]

What a DRM mess, have you created EA? Cut DA2 budget and put in to "hyper Marketing and DRM?"

[Manazarith]

I am interested to see where this goes. Sblade does make an interesting point though. Why would Sony DADC, the team that makes SecuROM (which already has a Release Control agent), create an entirely new Release Control agent? If the release date check is not part of the SecuROM suite, why does it update the SecuROM registry entry? Why would there be any need to communicate here if SecuROM is not involved at all?

I'm not saying that the SecuROM suite is included, or in fact that there is any SecuROM executable at all (which it sounds like there is not), but it doesn't make sense for the team behind SecuROM to start from scratch to accomplish something they've already done, except perhaps to circumvent the court's ruling on SecuROM specifically.

[mt2e]

Mana you hit it on the button ....watch SecuROM is gonna pull a page outa the banks playbook and change their name.

[Kastagir]

Derek French, a Technical Producer for the Live Team at Bioware (or someone claiming to be him) has been posting on the Blue's News forums that this isn't SecuROM, but a Release Control package that deactivates after the release date has passed but doesn't clean up after itself as well as it should (no running services, just some files that don't get deleted). Until a Bioware employee speaks on the subject, however, I wouldn't make too many assumptions. Continued silence would suggest otherwise, given Bioware's recent history.

[RiouHotaru]

Kastagir wrote...

Derek French, a Technical Producer for the Live Team at Bioware (or someone claiming to be him) has been posting on the Blue's News forums that this isn't SecuROM, but a Release Control package that deactivates after the release date has passed but doesn't clean up after itself as well as it should (no running services, just some files that don't get deleted). Until a Bioware employee speaks on the subject, however, I wouldn't make too many assumptions. Continued silence would suggest otherwise, given Bioware's recent history.

I love the implication that their silence somehow indicates a conspiracy or pre-meditation.  Maybe they're actually looking into it and want to be certain first, or maybe they just haven't noticed this forum topic.  Let's not jump to conclusions.

Also, several people have checked their computers and found that it's only some registry entries left behind, no executables remained, which means it does uninstall itself automatically, just didn't clean itself up completely.

[mt2e]

for the record I am participating on the discussion's at blues and that is a BioWare employee...if you look at those posts, it not a normal user account he is using. The concerns are that it is designed to self-destruct but who knows if it actually does on everybody's computer. UAService7.exe is the executable/process.

[Mage One]

I would like to believe Bioware on this, but unfortunately their word isn't what decides whether or not it's SecuROM. What's in the code does. The code cannot lie, and right now it seems to be saying that either Bioware/EA is lying or they've been lied to, which is really unfortunate.

[metalfenix]

mt2e wrote...

UAService7.exe is the executable/process.

And this process is running when everyone's playing the game?, better yet, it stops itself or remain there all the time?

[Anakha56]

I would just like to add that prior to this release my Windows hard drive crashed and needed reinstalling. Until DA2 no other game has been installed so there was no Securom in my registry or any other part of my Windows install. Now after DA2 Securom resides on my PC and in my registry, where is the removal part Bioware?

IMHO Bioware needs a Champion to rise to the call and explain this issue properly...

Sblade wrote...


Anyone with DA2 can check my sentence above, and if there were no Securom folder before installing DA2, then it appears with the exact time stamp of the time of the installation of DA2...

Is this NOT proof of Securom being included by DA2?