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[DukeP]

Fernando Melo wrote...

We've already talked about this here, but I'll re-iterate again...

We don't use Securom DRM.
We use a release control product which is made by the same team, but is a completely different product.

F.

The problem is the company. DONT use SeCurom products.
Simple as that.
THe company has no ethics and Your use of their products makes gamers question Your ethics (as the PR fallout from this shows).
Just don't use their products. End of discussion. Not their Toiletpapers, not their white wines, nor their new line of Socks™.

Do not deal with SeCurom or face the public backlash.
Let SeCurom die.

Peace.
~~DukeP~~
OLD Bioware customer with close to one of each game You have ever made.

[aries1001]

xxxestaxxx wrote...

Ok, so i just read about the drm and Im kinda sad. Im in Iraq right now and will be till the summer, wonder job perks and such, and I had DA2 ordered and sent to me out here.  But if Im not mistaken Ill have to now find some way to get internet for my personal pc (100 a month to get a bastardized version of the net in our housing units which is why Im using the net cafes) to play the game?  Lame .  Please tell me there is a way I can still play the game without the one time validation? Or am I limited to the options of drop 100 clams for the internet for a one time validation or let the game collect the ample dust of this enviroment till I get back home?

The good thing is that after you have you installed and activated the game you can a) play without the disc in the drive and play off-line. The drawback is that you'll need to activate the game. It needs to connect to the EA servers once. I'm not sure, if you'll need the disc for this or you can just use the cd key on the manual to register your game?

And Fernado, thanks for letting us know about the patch and the other stuff

[aries1001]

There's product called Ccleaner that I use at regular intervals. This is a very good program that will pick up any leftover regentries left hanging by the products and it'll aslo help clear out your temp folders.
And I, as a long time pc gamer, can confirm Melo's points. Not about the Sony DADC Release Control stuff, but that sometimes (or most of the time) software programs may not indeed uninstall all their installed stuff. Some things are left in temp folders, other regentries will still be there. It does not come as a big surprise to me that the RC software leaves traces of it behind in the temp folders. It is much easier to use the same library files over and over again (I think this is what Melo is saying?) than write new library files.

[Muddlehead]

aries1001 wrote...
There's product called Ccleaner that I use at regular intervals. This is a very good program that will pick up any leftover regentries left hanging by the products and it'll aslo help clear out your temp folders.

I'll second that. Ccleaner is an excellent product from Piriform - it finds and optionally cleans up trash files, broken registry entries, old installer débris, browser cruft and so on. I also recommend their Defraggler disk defragmenter, which beats XP's defragmenter hands-down. These two bits of freeware will do seriously good stuff for your gaming system.

And no, I'm not linked with Piriform in any way, other than as a very satisfied user :happy:

[passionata]

Yeah Ccleaner is an awesome proggy which became a default at all my Windows Systems though even if it is an awesome prg one should from time to time edit the registryfile manually.

[SSV Enterprise]

I hear that SecuRom is on DAII, even the Steam version. Congratulations Bioware/EA, you just lost a customer, one who was dead set on getting the game even with the negative reaction and less-than-stellar reviews.

[EtherealN]

Enterprise, read the thread.
Lots of people that don't understand technology around, even on the internets. (Imagine it, people being wrong on the net is a novelty. )

[passionata]

Meh tried elaborating the SecuROM RC on a fresh virtual install in vbox:
AWC.dll load failed

[Weiser_Cain]

Can we not have this for ME3?

[Fizzbangblade]

Hello, i got Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition today Saturday 12th March in the UK.

You say in one thread above ( 12 hours ago ) that the game has now been released worldwide and unlocked. However the Securom DRM thing says that i cant start game yet and i have to wait for the date check to be met

This is ridiculous, i guess i just have to keep waiting and retrying every day till it works

PS It says an error is occuring as it tries to check the date. In the UK we say date today is 12 / 3 / 2011. Not 3 / 12 / 2011. I hope i get this sorted out before the 3rd of December

Modifié par Fizzbangblade, 12 mars 2011 - 06:42 .

[Talairina]

This is excellent news. Whilst I'm all for securing the orduct from piracy, I feel that too much or strict DRM controls can ruin a game experince. This is a pretty damn fine example of how DRM should be handled.

[djwyattwood]

securom_v7_01.bak
securom_v7_01.dat
securom_v7_01.tmp

Found on my computer after the installation. Your DRM uses SecuRom files but isn't SecuRom?

EX. If I were allergic to fish (my PC is allergic to SecuRom), and I ate something that contained fish, no matter how small, me (and my computer) would get sick.

P.S. Please don't ban me.

EDIT: On their own website they call it "SecuROM Release Control." If that doesn't say it, I don't know what does.

Modifié par djwyattwood, 12 mars 2011 - 06:36 .

[Mage One]

Merkar wrote...
[...]
I conclude that:
- those guys at Sony were obtuse in execution and BioWare is cleaning up unnecessary mess
- it's not the DRM SecuROM but a release date mechanism borrowing code from Sony's DRM
- a false alarm was triggered from SecuROM detection tools due to borrowed code
- the reg entries are bothersome but inert
- BioWare did not lie on the type of DRM that came with the game itself
- Sony can suck it

This is more or less how it seems to me now too.  Thank you for your explanation, Fernando.  I will of course be keeping an eye on this as it develops, but right now I am giving you guys the benefit of the doubt.

djwyattwood wrote...

[...]
P.S. Please don't ban me.
[...]

I have it on good authority that they were totally going to ban you until you said, "please."  Then they just didn't have the heart to. 

[didymos1120]

djwyattwood wrote...

securom_v7_01.bak
securom_v7_01.dat
securom_v7_01.tmp

Found on my computer after the installation.

Didn't find anything on mine.  So what's that mean? 

[Kloreep]

Impar wrote...

What happens in 10 years time when the server is offline or the date authentication software isnt running on said server?

Ah, one of my favorite questions, myself.

I'm not certain that the release date check will be around to stay, however? Any patches for DA2 (for which we already know one is in the works) may well come without the check. So, if you install -> immediately patch for a disc version, or simply download the latest version digitally, there may be no more release check?

I imagine Fernando can tell us how that's going to work, but I'm guessing it's only the other, one-time authentication that is around to stay.

[arghhhjustletmein]

I just wanted to thank Fernando for his replies. I have decided to accept what Bioware are telling us and that this is just an unfortunate mistake that has left some benign registry keys and temp files from a simple release control program, as such I have decided to go ahead with my purchase of the game.

[DIrishB]

In terms of consoles, will there be a DRM problem for the Promo and DLC weapons and armor?  In other words, will I have to be signed in to the DA servers (be online) to use my Lion of Orlais shield or Fadeshear sword?  Is it going to tell me my save file is corrupted for using these items and then be unable to play unless online?

Just want to see if DAII will have the same problem DA:O did concerning Promo and DLC items.  If so, is there a workaround like with Origins (the delete and re-download workaround worked nicely)?

[Sordel]

I came to this thread after reading the damaging reprint by Ars Technica of the DRM story. I actually bought the game for PS3 so I'm not affected either way by this story, but I wanted to post my experience some years ago.

I bought a PC game (forget which) and it would not validate, so I checked with the manufacturer customer service and they told me that the disc must be a pirate ... my problem. Since then I have spent thousands of dollars on console gaming: real money lost to the PC game industry. Of course, the console market has now been just as ruined by DRM.

DRM is not a foolproof system and every time one of these systems screws up (as the date test seems to have done) developers are losing real customers, many of whom will simply not report the fault. Not everyone who uses an illegal copy of a game is a potential paying customer, but the gaming industry is driving away real paying customers every day.

Fairly or unfairly this story is terrible publicity for the game. Maybe EA should consider whether protecting their digital rights in this way is even a sound business move.

[HighFlyingDwarf]

DIrishB wrote...

In terms of consoles, will there be a DRM problem for the Promo and DLC weapons and armor?  In other words, will I have to be signed in to the DA servers (be online) to use my Lion of Orlais shield or Fadeshear sword?  Is it going to tell me my save file is corrupted for using these items and then be unable to play unless online?

Just want to see if DAII will have the same problem DA:O did concerning Promo and DLC items.  If so, is there a workaround like with Origins (the delete and re-download workaround worked nicely)?

I was under the impression that you had to be signed in to us DLC or any form of add on anyways, I remember I tried to play DA:O when the EA servers were down and couldn't use my DLC.

[MDarwin]

Godeshus wrote...

Oops, I meant to say uDoh posted what I was getting at. Philbo is foolish. I do not agree with him.

@Philbo: There is no DRM. Go hate somewhere else.

I hate any sort of DRM , but your right! Philbo should back off!

[MDarwin]

Kurzan wrote...

I've registered my copy of the game as you can see through my little Dragon Age 2 symbol below my portrait. It's the 12th March 2011, the game was released in the UK yesterday. Why is there a SecuROM online release date check for the game at this point? Why as an honest consumer am I being forced to just sit here and not be able to play the game because there's an error in the date check. This is rediculous. Totally, totally rediculous. Even better, there's no EA phone support over the weekend.

That's also why I hate any sort of DRM. Feel sorry for you.

[MDarwin]

Fernando Melo wrote...

Kurzan wrote...

Is there any way around the SecuROM date check!? Why can't it just check the date on my system, why do you have to use a SecuROM site that doesn't work to get support for this?

We've had reports where some players are unable to get to the sony servers - usually firewall related, and in one case network path.  But try the beta patch 1.01 we're currently testing, and see if that helps.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/300/index/6482838

arghhhjustletmein wrote...
<snip>
Now, I don't want to bash Bioware anymore than they are already getting, I can only say that I fully understand the fuss (even if it all turns out to be a missunderstanding). Let me put it this way, If I had installed DA2 on the understanding that it does NOT contain SecuROM, and then scanned my machine finding files with SecuROM like signatures and registry key entries in the SecuROM area, well I wouldn't be happy either. I find it disappointing that after the various experiences and bad PR that both EA and Bioware have gone through in the past related to DRM, that they don't seem to be able to handle this issue better.

I hope this serves as a lesson to take the issue more seriously next time, the fact we are being told that it looks like Bioware basically farmed out this work on a 'release control program' to the same people who make SecuROM, and then apparantly didn't do much research into what this code does on consumers machines, well it doesn't fill me with confidence. The fact it writes registry keys to a secuROM area alone should have been a red flag if anybody had even bothered to look at how this thing worked before unleashing it on customers.

The sad part is I think Bioware have actually tried to do the right thing here, I applaud the fact that they have moved away from SecuROM DRM and limited activations, but this has been handled very badly and call me a nutjob if you must, but I will wait for further information from those clever community people to hopefully confirm the true nature of what this 'Release Control Program' does, I mean, how can I trust Bioware when they seem ignorant of the way it works themselves ?

I'm sorry if the impression is that no review of this was done.  Quite the contrary.  There was a very deliberate choice made to not go with SecuROM for DRM but to still use the sony release control software.

As I've mentioned, yes it is unfortunate that it uses some of the same reg entries and I complete see the point of view of being alarmed by finding this.  And we definitely need to do a better job of it.  You have no argument from me on that.

That doesn't change the fact of what it is, and what it is not.

DJBare wrote...

Merkar wrote...

A temporary DRM in order to safeguard distribution arrangements.

Just my opinion, but looking at the latest figures for piracy, this seems like a complete waste of money and time, you might be interested to know a cracked version of the exe was released on the 8th, yup the same day the game was released in the US.

PS, please don't ban me for using the P word, I'm just showing the DRM to be worthless.

Different discussion. 

I don't know if you can answer this question: Why has BW/EA opted for such a DRM for the PC, this time around?

What went wrong with the DAO Disk-Check?

[DIrishB]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

DIrishB wrote...

In terms of consoles, will there be a DRM problem for the Promo and DLC weapons and armor?  In other words, will I have to be signed in to the DA servers (be online) to use my Lion of Orlais shield or Fadeshear sword?  Is it going to tell me my save file is corrupted for using these items and then be unable to play unless online?

Just want to see if DAII will have the same problem DA:O did concerning Promo and DLC items.  If so, is there a workaround like with Origins (the delete and re-download workaround worked nicely)?

I was under the impression that you had to be signed in to us DLC or any form of add on anyways, I remember I tried to play DA:O when the EA servers were down and couldn't use my DLC.

This is true, but for the Origins Promo items there was a workaround.  By deleting the original files on your Xbox and then re-downloading each individual item, it would then validate the DRM rights for that item on that console...meaning, you didn't have to be connected to the DA servers for it to work.  This was the only way I could play my Origins save file games when not connected to the internet.

I just was wondering if this would be the case with DA II.






But does anyone know the answer to this:  if you've downloaded the Promo items, but later aren't connected to the internet/DA Serverse, will you still be able to play your game or use those items?  Will the save file show up as corrupted?  Will the save file work, but the items just won't appear or be useable?

Whats the deal?

Modifié par DIrishB, 13 mars 2011 - 12:10 .

[DIrishB]

Stupid double post. 

Modifié par DIrishB, 13 mars 2011 - 12:07 .

[Evilsod]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

DIrishB wrote...

In terms of consoles, will there be a DRM problem for the Promo and DLC weapons and armor?  In other words, will I have to be signed in to the DA servers (be online) to use my Lion of Orlais shield or Fadeshear sword?  Is it going to tell me my save file is corrupted for using these items and then be unable to play unless online?

Just want to see if DAII will have the same problem DA:O did concerning Promo and DLC items.  If so, is there a workaround like with Origins (the delete and re-download workaround worked nicely)?

I was under the impression that you had to be signed in to us DLC or any form of add on anyways, I remember I tried to play DA:O when the EA servers were down and couldn't use my DLC.

Can't say i had that problem. But then i downloaded the rest of them anyway. Load of free junk items for the most part, some of which someone appeared to have forgotten to include in the UK DDE... wonder who could possibly be responsible for ****ing over UK customers yet again? Probably EA and GAME as usual...