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[Cismontane]

I activated four times today. After each reboot .. It's requiring me to deactivate even where I have wifi disabled and no Internet connection is available. Since I'm playing at a location where I cannot connect to the next, I've had to drag this thing to Starbucks each time. I thought that activation was only supposed to be one time. I'm running the game on a mac. Could somebody please advise what I am doing wrong?

[MDarwin]

Cismontane wrote...

I activated four times today. After each reboot .. It's requiring me to deactivate even where I have wifi disabled and no Internet connection is available. Since I'm playing at a location where I cannot connect to the next, I've had to drag this thing to Starbucks each time. I thought that activation was only supposed to be one time. I'm running the game on a mac. Could somebody please advise what I am doing wrong?

Try this patch. It might help you.

Edit: Sorry this patch is for PC only.   

Modifié par MDarwin, 13 mars 2011 - 02:12 .

[Garak2]

MDarwin wrote...

Cismontane wrote...

I activated four times today. After each reboot .. It's requiring me to deactivate even where I have wifi disabled and no Internet connection is available. Since I'm playing at a location where I cannot connect to the next, I've had to drag this thing to Starbucks each time. I thought that activation was only supposed to be one time. I'm running the game on a mac. Could somebody please advise what I am doing wrong?

Try this patch. It might help you.

http://social.biowar...0/index/6482838

Don' t try that patch on a Mac.

What platforms is this for?
•    PC only. This patch does not address issues impacting Mac, Xbox360 or PS3.

[MDarwin]

Garak2 wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

Cismontane wrote...

I activated four times today. After each reboot .. It's requiring me to deactivate even where I have wifi disabled and no Internet connection is available. Since I'm playing at a location where I cannot connect to the next, I've had to drag this thing to Starbucks each time. I thought that activation was only supposed to be one time. I'm running the game on a mac. Could somebody please advise what I am doing wrong?

Try this patch. It might help you.

http://social.biowar...0/index/6482838

Don' t try that patch on a Mac.

What platforms is this for?
•    PC only. This patch does not address issues impacting Mac, Xbox360 or PS3.

So a PC only patch. My Bad. Thanks Garak.

[craigdolphin]

Hi Fernando,

thanks for the clarification. You stated that this release control product is named 'Sony DADC release control'. Others have noted that Sony DADC has a product called 'SecuROM Release Control'. Are these the same, or are they different?

For me personally, the statement by Bioware that this product would not contain SecuROM let me purchase DA2 for PC. If it had contained SecuROM I would not have purchased it.

I understand what you are getting at: that this particular product does not behave in the same way as the much villified SecuROM DRM. And that is somehwat reassuring. That said: even if you had explained all this prior to launch: I would still have been very nervous about the product. In addition to the creative differences from DA:O, it most likely would have meant I would have not purchased the game.

Why? After all, the product as described by you is not really a problem in itself.

The issue has to do with trust.

I simply do not trust Sony DADC to be honest about what their product will or won't do. This is the same company that publicly denied putting rootkits on cd's only to be caught out later when their XCP software was exposed (the predecessor to SecuROM). My own experience with SecuROM 7 on the Jade Empire game suggests strongly that I suffered hardware issues as a direct result, and I never was able to be rid of it completely on my old computer. Internet searches of the time showed me many others with similar situations. The more I learned how they circumvented my control over my computer, the more angry I became.

I built my new computer myself, and I vowed never to allow any product from that company to ever run on it. I bought your product because you said their DRM was not going to be on it. I'd be lying if I said this did not shake my trust in your company. It does. It feels like you're splitting hairs: its made by the same guys, it uses the same files, and the equivalent product on the market shares the same name.

Simply put: when I buy your games I don't want products from Sony DADC to be secretly installed on my computer. I don't trust 'em. They have a bad record. And I refuse to support them financially in any way. I don't want a single cent of my purchase to prop up their (IMO) ethically troubled business practices.

I dunno why the heck would you even consider doing business with them, but I do greatly resent having been duped (accidentally or not) into giving their software permission to run on my computer, and for having now purchased a game that will (indirectly) give them money out of my pocket.

I have been waiting for a statement from you guys before deciding how to respond to this revelation. I honestly don't know which way to go. I was planning on filing a complaint with the FTC, and possibly joining up with a class action lawsuit if one is filed. But given that this is not the full SecuROM DRM program, just a subset with possibly a different name, I'm on the fence.

How can I know that what you've told me is the truth? Even if I can rely on your own personal honesty and integrity (which I am still quite willing to accept FWIW), given Sony DADC's past history of false statements regarding some of its past products, how can I be sure that they have been straight-up with you? Given the ability of rootkits and like software to avoid detection from normal user-level tools, who's to say there's no executable of some kind? I recently read the ArsTechnica article on the 'security' firm HB Gary's spyware tools. I was shocked to learn what's going on out there with that whole sector of the IT industry. And I would be unsurprised if Sony DADC were in the same business. It seems like the perfect fit given their technical inclinations and their apparent lack of corporate moral fibre.

These are questions I don't actually expect you'll be able to answer to my satisfaction. I will have to come up with my own answer. I likely won't take the litigation path now though. I prefer to keep my trust in you guys alive and hope that this is a lesson-learned for you.

To be absolutely clear, I am much less angry about this than I could have been. I'm just very disappointed. And that actually makes me wonder if I'm all that surprised anymore? This stuff has been a festering sore since before the ME1 release and I'm not certain that it isn't making me a whole lot more cynical about your company than I once was. And that makes me very sad. I used to think you guys were the best of the best, that you liked what I liked in games, and were a fount of awesomeness in a sea of 'meh' FPS and RTS clones. I'm not sure I even know you any more.

I still want to like Bioware and its people. I don't /want/ to give you guys grief, and I still want to support your games even if I may have some differences about DA2. But I hope you take a good hard look at this issue for future games. I'm happy to have your own first-party software on my machine (though I still hold you to your promise to remove the DRM restrictions someday), and for game-essential software and technologies licensed from reputable businesses to be part of that installation. But beyond that: please don't ask me to choose between my enjoyment of your games and my preference to avoid anything to do with Sony DADC.

Thanks for listening and sorry for the long post. And thanks to RYG for the alert. Keep up the good work.

[yogibbear87]

Here is my question:

If the Sony DADC/Securom/Sony Release Control servers were to go down, would I no longer be able to activate DA2?

Yes/No.

If yes, this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

[yogibbear87]

Woops sorry about the massive double posting but the forum wasn't working or something when i made those posts...

[I removed the double posts for you.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 13 mars 2011 - 10:38 .

[Ixalmaris]

Bioware lied about the copy protection.

Before the release Bioware specifically said that Securerom would not be used and that no copy protection will be installed on your PC.
And now it came out that DA2 uses a Securerom derivate which leaves regestry entries on your machine. The use of Secureom is (must?) normally be mentioned on the package and EULA, but it isn't.

(german)
http://www.gamestar....73,2321577.html

[Hyunsai]

In the end, did this stop people pirating Dragon Age II ?

Just wondering.

[Stanley Woo]

Hey, folks. Let's keep this discussion on topic and, if you haven't yet, click the BioWare button under the thread title in this forum's front page to see all of Fernando Melo's responses. He's been very open and forthcoming with information and clarification regarding the Sony DADC Release Control used in Dragon Age II. Discussion of software piracy is off-topic for this discussion. Thank you.

[RiouHotaru]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Bioware lied about the copy protection.

Before the release Bioware specifically said that Securerom would not be used and that no copy protection will be installed on your PC.
And now it came out that DA2 uses a Securerom derivate which leaves regestry entries on your machine. The use of Secureom is (must?) normally be mentioned on the package and EULA, but it isn't.

(german)
http://www.gamestar....73,2321577.html

The only lie here is your statement.

[Ixalmaris]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

Bioware lied about the copy protection.

Before the release Bioware specifically said that Securerom would not be used and that no copy protection will be installed on your PC.
And now it came out that DA2 uses a Securerom derivate which leaves regestry entries on your machine. The use of Secureom is (must?) normally be mentioned on the package and EULA, but it isn't.

(german)
http://www.gamestar....73,2321577.html

The only lie here is your statement.

Care to back up this accusation? No? Why am I not surprised?
As the site is currently down you can read is in google cache
http://webcache.goog...x&gl=de&strip=1

Despite the reassurances that:

Dragon Age 2 Release Control (non-Steam Versions)

• Does not use SecuROM.
• It does not install anything to the PC.
• Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether a game release date has passed or not.
• It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed.

Source: Chris Priestly from “Dragon Age 2 Final DRM and FAQ”

DA2 contains a Securerom program.
This program links to Securerom Contact information in case of trouble and is detected as Securerom by scanning software (see goggle cache link above for details)

So in short, EA/Bioware lied.

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 13 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[didymos1120]

Hyunsai wrote...

In the end, did this stop people pirating Dragon Age II ?

Just wondering.

At best, a few casual pirates are deterred by this stuff.  Which of course is of no matter because it only takes one to break a game open and torrent it or put it on some file service.  And there will always be that one. 

[Ixalmaris]

didymos1120 wrote...

Hyunsai wrote...

In the end, did this stop people pirating Dragon Age II ?

Just wondering.

At best, a few casual pirates are deterred by this stuff.  Which of course is of no matter because it only takes one to break a game open and torrent it or put it on some file service.  And there will always be that one. 

Its unlikely that it deters anyone.
Cracking groups remove any DRM and put it on the torrent network. Any pirate then just has to download and install it. Everything has been done for them already.
I think I read that this game was availiable as pirated version at about Thursday last week.

[Vollkeule]

This DRM **** sucks and makes cracks very interesting for players, even with a legit version. i had to puke after what i noticed during the installation. bought malware, what a great thing i did to myself  no futher comment.

Modifié par Vollkeule, 13 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[sturestorm]

I'm so tired of these stupid DRM schemes. I buy the game in the shop, and are looking forward to play it. I sort of understand the registration. But from where comes the need for registering an account with EA, needing my email address and all that?

So now I got yet another anonymous and useless email account that I'm never going to use again.

All I want is to play the game in my own home, on my own computer by myself. Next time I see a game with EA on the cover, I will move on. Time is limited, and there are enough other game companies and distributers out there.

Modifié par sturestorm, 13 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[didymos1120]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Its unlikely that it deters anyone.

Cracking groups remove any DRM and put it on the torrent network.

Yeah, I know what cracking groups do.  I'm saying, it's only going to deter lazy crackers. I.e., the sort of people who are just dabbling in actual piracy (as opposed to simply being consumers of pirated software).  If they can't find a quick and easy way to break the DRM, they give up, and let someone else more industrious do the work.  And as I said, no, I don't think that actually makes any difference in the end.  All you need is one broken copy or decryption tool and it's over.  Game is forever pirated.

[Chris Priestly]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Bioware lied about the copy protection.

Before the release Bioware specifically said that Securerom would not be used and that no copy protection will be installed on your PC.
And now it came out that DA2 uses a Securerom derivate which leaves regestry entries on your machine. The use of Secureom is (must?) normally be mentioned on the package and EULA, but it isn't.

(german)
http://www.gamestar....73,2321577.html

WRONG

BioWare clears up the FALSE SecuROM rumors

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 13 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Maybe my question doesn't belong here but..

Every time I load the game (after the press any button to continue screen) at the bottom left corner I see that the game is trying to connect to the server. Why is that?

I have the SE and loaded all of the DLC and texture pack before I ever started the game, that is before playing. I logged in and registered as required, no issue with that btw.
I understand that each DCL requires a validation check or something like that but by this time shouldn't they have been validated and stop trying to connect to a server?

I do not connect to the net when I play except on occasion to load the profile stats, give the feedback you guys ask for, but I always log out before going into the game proper.

It could be nothing and probably is but I have a problem with connecting to any server that I didn't
instruct my machine to connect to, and what more, that I have no idea what or who's server it is.

I didn't see that the beta patch resolved that connection issue as stated by Chris.
Does it stop that behavior and if not what will stop it short of removing the game and all the "dust" it leaves in the corners.

I would like to keep playing the game, but not under this circumstance.

Thanks for listening.

Modifié par Drax_Lyonsbane, 13 mars 2011 - 03:31 .

[aribeth42]

root@aribeth-nix:/home/aribeth/Desktop/bin_shipSECU# strings DragonAge2.exe > da2SECstrings.txt
root@aribeth-nix:/home/aribeth/Desktop/bin_shipSECU# cat da2SECstrings.txt | grep -i securom
.securom|J
\\\\.\\pipe\\SecuROM_Profiler
\\SecuROM\\UserData
securom_v7_01datasecu
securom_v7_01rkeysecu
Software\\SecuROM
createSecuRomGameVersion
createSecuRomGameId
SecuROM User Access Service (V7)
Software\\SecuROM\\License information - Do not delete!
Software\\SecuROM\\UserData
Software\\SecuROM\\UserData\\Backup
SonyDADC SecuROM
c:\\source\\securom\\lib_external\\ssl\\crypto\\ec\\ec2_smpt.c
C:/Source/SecuROM/lib_external/test/ssl/certs
C:/Source/SecuROM/lib_external/test/ssl/cert.pem
The registry folder 'SecuROM' contains License Information created by SecuROM Digital Rights Management. Please see www.securom.com/license-information.html for further information.
E:\\vfdev_7_42\\SecuROM_DRM\\Wrapper\\wrapper.pdb
.securom
http://www.SecuROM.com0
http://www.SecuROM.com0
\\SecuROM
The files contained in this folder and it's subfolders have been created during the installation and the activation of a SecuROM DFA protected application.
The file contains your licences for all products, which are SecuROM DFA protected, therefore it will not be deleted automatically.
The information contained in all SecuROM DFA Files will not be transferred to any other computer without your permission.
See www.securom.com for further information
http://www.SecuROM.com0
http://www.SecuROM.com0

Modifié par aribeth42, 13 mars 2011 - 03:51 .

[yogibbear87]

yogibbear87 wrote...

Here is my question:

If the Sony DADC/Securom/Sony Release Control servers were to go down, would I no longer be able to activate DA2?

Yes/No.

Okay could one of the bioware guys please answer my simple question? I see two of you have posted since my post, but have chosen to engage non-productive posters. I would like some information about how your system works. Cheers and I look forward to your response.

Modifié par yogibbear87, 13 mars 2011 - 03:44 .

[Karathandir]

Funny looks like DRM version 7.42 even does a disk check. Perhaps If you call it something else loud enough more people would believe this

http://arstechnica.c...=1#comments-bar

[night0205]

I don't know much about it. But with DA:O the game always connects to the server when it has internet connection... to upload your character, achievements, downloadable content, etc... From my understanding that was no DRM... but I'm pretty ignorant in this area.

Mass Effect 2 does the same thing.

Modifié par night0205, 13 mars 2011 - 04:19 .

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

night0205 wrote...

I don't know much about it. But with DA:O the game always connects to the server when it has internet connection... to upload your character, achievements, downloadable content, etc... From my understanding that was no DRM... but I'm pretty ignorant in this area.

Mass Effect 2 does the same thing.

DAO doesn't do it, never did for me.
I didn't choose the "Automaticly log in  each time I start option", in fact I had to "un-choose" it as it was selected as default. I can't say about ME2 as I don't have the game.

[night0205]

You know when they just released a DLC or Patch or something, and the servers are slow. It sometimes, and for some people always, took a long time to log in... and not being logged in would make it so you couldn't play the DLC, expansion etc... even though it's already installed on your computer... why is that? If someone could explain it to me, thanks.