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[Mage One]

yogibbear87 , the Sony servers are only used for a single release date check. They did not answer likely as this has been answered earlier in the thread.

Drax_Lyonsbane, I'm not sure I understand. You seem to be saying it never uploaded your information, so you believe it doesn't upload information, but then you say you told it not to. It seems to me, then, your telling it not to is the reason it doesn't.

night0205, it's pretty similar to the system they have now. For DLC, if you were connected to the internet, the game would check-in to make sure you were logged into an account that was authorized to use the content. If the check hadn't completed, it wouldn't let you play. If you weren't connected to the internet, though, it wouldn't try to check ad would just let you play. For DLC it did this every time not just the first time.

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Mage One wrote...
Drax_Lyonsbane, I'm not sure I understand. You seem to be saying it never uploaded your information, so you believe it doesn't upload information, but then you say you told it not to. It seems to me, then, your telling it not to is the reason it doesn't.

No, I never even hinted at such.

I am saying that I registered the Signature Edition of the game, all of the free DLC at the same time and in the manner that BioWare deemed acceptable.
There is no reason for the game to connect or try to connect to any server after registration unless I tell it to.

I wasn't aware the game would even try to connect of it's own volition.
Granted, you will not be able to play unless you tell it to connect, verify and register, but even then I have to tell it to connect to whatever server that completes the transaction.

What I want to know is why does it continue to make or attempt to make a connection when the files that required registration and validation were supposed to be removed after it performed those tasks and I have specificaly unchecked the option to automaticaly connect.

[GNelsM82]

It is obvious from a business perspective that BioWare did their best to not use the dreaded Securom word. The important fact is a lot of gamers wouldn't have bought the game if they had known that DA2 used anything to do with Securom. BioWare knows that, the gamers know that. Unfortunately, that is how BioWare was being deceitful.

Anyway, I bought DA2...and I installed it. It is done. Now, I don't want to see any more pointless threads of people saying, "This is Securom DRM" and Bioware saying "No, it's not." I just want Bioware to help us delete the Securom files and keys. Bioware said it was supposed to delete itself, right? Well, it didn't. I deleted the files from the Temp folder but the Securom registry key is bunkered in. It will not remove manually and no regular cleaner like CCleaner can get it off. I know BioWare said "It doesn't do anything" and "blah blah blah" but can you help some gamers have some piece of mind?

Modifié par GNelsM82, 13 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

GNelsM82 wrote...

It is obvious from a business perspective that BioWare did their best to not use the dreaded Securom word. The important fact is a lot of gamers wouldn't have bought the game if they had known that DA2 used anything to do with Securom. BioWare knows that, the gamers know that. Unfortunately, that is how BioWare was being deceitful.

Anyway, I bought DA2...and I installed it. It is done. Now, I don't want to see any more pointless threads of people saying, "This is Securom DRM" and Bioware saying "No, it's not." I just want Bioware to help us delete the Securom files and keys. Bioware said it was supposed to delete itself, right? Well, it didn't. I deleted the files from the Temp folder but the Securom registry key is bunkered in. It will not remove manually and no regular cleaner like CCleaner can get it off. I know BioWare said "It doesn't do anything" and "blah blah blah" but can you help some gamers have some piece of mind?

support.securom.com/removaltool.html

I found one registry entry besides the one in the temp folder.

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Kazama Sogetsu wrote...

Well, that explains why my Steam copy keeps prompting me to insert something on my floppy disk whenever I start the game.

Way to go dudes.

That is a seperate issue, Steam doesn't do Securerom.
There is a beta patch for your problem but Steam doesn't do beta either so you will have to wait for the release of the permanant patch.

[passionata]

aribeth42 wrote...

root@aribeth-nix:/home/aribeth/Desktop/bin_shipSECU# strings DragonAge2.exe > da2SECstrings.txt
root@aribeth-nix:/home/aribeth/Desktop/bin_shipSECU# cat da2SECstrings.txt | grep -i securom
.securom|J
\\.pipeSecuROM_Profiler
SecuROMUserData
securom_v7_01datasecu
securom_v7_01rkeysecu
SoftwareSecuROM
createSecuRomGameVersion
createSecuRomGameId
SecuROM User Access Service (V7)
SoftwareSecuROMLicense information - Do not delete!
SoftwareSecuROMUserData
SoftwareSecuROMUserDataBackup
SonyDADC SecuROM
c:sourcesecuromlib_externalsslcryptoecec2_smpt.c
C:/Source/SecuROM/lib_external/test/ssl/certs
C:/Source/SecuROM/lib_external/test/ssl/cert.pem
The registry folder 'SecuROM' contains License Information created by SecuROM Digital Rights Management. Please see www.securom.com/license-information.html for further information.
E:vfdev_7_42SecuROM_DRMWrapperwrapper.pdb
.securom
http://www.SecuROM.com0
http://www.SecuROM.com0
SecuROM
The files contained in this folder and it's subfolders have been created during the installation and the activation of a SecuROM DFA protected application.
The file contains your licences for all products, which are SecuROM DFA protected, therefore it will not be deleted automatically.
The information contained in all SecuROM DFA Files will not be transferred to any other computer without your permission.
See www.securom.com for further information
http://www.SecuROM.com0
http://www.SecuROM.com0

I am really confused there is a DFA.dll and I read an official document on that: http://www2.securom...._Activation.pdf so why we are still being told that it isn't DRM?

You know who I am going to believe in this case? In the developer of said mechanism!


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Modifié par passionata, 13 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[hacamatic]

Now that the release date has passed, can we get a patch for the installer that will bypass the release date control drm? My disc signature edition is coming in the mail and I prefer not to have any product by Sony DADC/Securom installed on my system no matter how benign they are. I simply have no trust in that company. If EA/Bioware would have stated that the Release Control was developed by Sony DADC I would not have purchased the disc version of the game and would have bought the steam or ps3 console version instead. I am contemplating returning game to Amazon. This is a sad day as it will be my first Bioware game since Baldur's Gate that I will not have played.

[xxxestaxxx]

So Im deployed to Iraq, got my da2 preorder in today. Its $100/month to get internet in my room, so cause this DRM Im screwed of playing my game until I either a) Pay 100 clams to do a 5 minute check on the friggin game, or wait till I get back to the states to enjoy what I thought my 60+shippin bought. But hey, whatev right?

[MannyJabrielle]

Buried back in an earlier post, someone gave the opinion that PC/mac releases have DRM hassles while console releases don't because console sales are higher (poster's opinion, no facts quoted).

If that's indeed the case... I find it funny. A few moments before I read that particular post, I decided I was going console as to not have to put up with the DRM hassles and online activations and continued online checks and such

What is so completely bizarre with this DRM setup is the periodic ownership checks *if* you have an active internet connection, but the game runs fine without the ownership checks if you don't have an active connection... What's the point of the ownership checks then?

[Mihai Hornet]

Merkar wrote...

We're talking about traditional release dates in different world regions, with different laws and ways to do business. Digital distribution made the gaming world a lot smaller. However, it's by established market rules in the analog world that release dates are arranged. EA merely conforms to this.

The date check came up because some retail stores have been selling earlier than the official release date, in order to boost sales. This has been causing havoc in distribution arrangements.

Really? Then why other developers / publishers don't use release date check? Or no DRM at all? Are they stupid or suicidal? Or maybe they just trust and respect their customers?

[didymos1120]

passionata wrote...

I am really confused there is a DFA.dll and I read an official document on that: http://www2.securom...._Activation.pdf so why we are still being told that it isn't DRM?

You know who I am going to believe in this case? In the developer of said mechanism!
*snip image*

All that crap is in a temp folder. It can be deleted, and it should have been automatically (it was on my system). Unless you actually find that the OS is loading those files into memory (doubtful), it ain't doing anything except wasting some disc space.

[passionata]

Did you read the PDF?

1. SecuROM™ Data File Activation for DLC - the first DRM to easily
realize secure micro-transactions
Data File Activation helps secure micro-transactions during program runtime. Simply choose your item, or set of
items, protect and integrate them with the Sony DADC Software Development Kit (SDK). For your convenience in
encoding and integrating DFA encrypted files, DFA is also integrated in the SecuROM™ OETK (Online
Encryption Tool Kit).
....
4. Software File Format Support

SecuROM™ DFA - data file support:
• Supports the protection of all kinds of data items

NOTE: It is necessary that the application itself also supports DFA. The application has to be SecuROM™
protected as well. To apply DFA, the publisher must ensure the intellectual property owner of an application
permits encryption of the application (e.g. special file reader) or allow for modification of the application to make it
useable for SecuROM™ DFA.

Modifié par passionata, 13 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[didymos1120]

passionata wrote...

Did you read the PDF?

It's irrelevant.  The files aren't being used.  If they were necessary, then I wouldn't be able to play DA2.  And yet, I am, despite the fact that those files don't exist on my system.  Funny that.

So, yeah: hard emprical data or some PDF?  I'm gonna go with the data: game doesn't require or use Securom.

Modifié par didymos1120, 13 mars 2011 - 10:53 .

[passionata]

Basicly what is going on is (look at the picture in that PDF):
After installation we have an encrypted DragonAge2.exe wich is protected by DFA a mechanism by SonyDADC which relies on SecuROM DRM.
We run DragonAge2.exe which will extract itself to the temp folder then contact a Sony DADC DFA Server sending it the serial we had to enter.
If the Server says the release date and serial are genuine our PC will retrieve a key to decrypt the real DragonAge2.exe and then replace the old version with it.
The Sony DADC program will then (or maybe not in my case at least not) delete all temp files (which have obvious traces of SecuROM DRM and not just "false alarms" caused by programs like ProtectionID which are partly based on heuristics)

Thus DA2 relied on SecuROM DRM technology and the FAQ stated wrongly that DA2 does NOT rely on SecuROM DRM mechanism!

At least this is the information I could gather on my own and when Chris or others give us statements which say there is no SecuROM DRM involved just a few libs sharing deps with it and we can not find a product at Sony DADC which is named "Release Date Check" that doesn't help the case much!

Having a few options in a SecuROM SDK disabled which are meant for disc checks or even harsher things doesn't make the resulting application (which we obviously must run before we can game) a non SecuROM application and that is all I like to be known!

I give you an example:
If I develope a java application and use .NET or C# in it then compile it the resulting application is still a java application not a .NET or C# application...

Modifié par passionata, 13 mars 2011 - 11:27 .

[BaronIveagh]

didymos1120 wrote...

passionata wrote...

Did you read the PDF?

It's irrelevant.  The files aren't being used.  If they were necessary, then I wouldn't be able to play DA2.  And yet, I am, despite the fact that those files don't exist on my system.  Funny that.

So, yeah: hard emprical data or some PDF?  I'm gonna go with the data: game doesn't require or use Securom.

Um, according to my nice little PC, they write a registry entry and plant some files that are being used. 

[Lux]

Mihai Hornet wrote...

Merkar wrote...

We're talking about traditional release dates in different world regions, with different laws and ways to do business. Digital distribution made the gaming world a lot smaller. However, it's by established market rules in the analog world that release dates are arranged. EA merely conforms to this.

The date check came up because some retail stores have been selling earlier than the official release date, in order to boost sales. This has been causing havoc in distribution arrangements.

Really? Then why other developers / publishers don't use release date check? Or no DRM at all? Are they stupid or suicidal? Or maybe they just trust and respect their customers?

I don't think the different publishers have meetings to synchronize delivery methods of their games.

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[Zzena]

Hello...
I just picked up DA2 today; installed it - ready to play...
However, I cannot get it started?...not sure why.
The auto run starts, I click play, a black window displays for a nano second, then...nothing.

Any pointers?  pleeeaassee.
thanks,
sheila

[Kevin Lynch]

Be sure to post in the tech support forum and read the sticky threads there if you have issues with the game. This thread isn't for requesting assistance; it's for information & discussion about the DRM in DA2.

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Zzena wrote...

Hello...
I just picked up DA2 today; installed it - ready to play...
However, I cannot get it started?...not sure why.
The auto run starts, I click play, a black window displays for a nano second, then...nothing.

Any pointers?  pleeeaassee.
thanks,
sheila

 You need to go to the help board for the platform you are playing on.

[didymos1120]

BaronIveagh wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

passionata wrote...

Did you read the PDF?

It's irrelevant.  The files aren't being used.  If they were necessary, then I wouldn't be able to play DA2.  And yet, I am, despite the fact that those files don't exist on my system.  Funny that.

So, yeah: hard emprical data or some PDF?  I'm gonna go with the data: game doesn't require or use Securom.

Um, according to my nice little PC, they write a registry entry and plant some files that are being used. 

Did you actually check to see if the files are ever loaded in memory? Or did you just find some files and assume they are?  Well, they're not. Not unless they're being used by another game that actually does require Securom. And the registry entries are just like the temp files: leftovers that are supposed to be deleted.  Remove them, and the game works just fine.

  So again: the game does not require Securom to play.  The one-time release check simply shares some code with it, as has been repeatedly stated and confirmed by both Bioware and users like myself who've removed all the leftover cruft and suffered no ill-effects from doing so.

[BaronIveagh]

didymos1120 wrote...

Did you actually check to see if the files are ever loaded in memory? Or did you just find some files and assume they are?  Well, they're not. Not unless they're being used by another game that actually does require Securom. And the registry entries are just like the temp files: leftovers that are supposed to be deleted.  Remove them, and the game works just fine.

  So again: the game does not require Securom to play.  The one-time release check simply shares some code with it, as has been repeatedly stated and confirmed by both Bioware and users like myself who've removed all the leftover cruft and suffered no ill-effects from doing so.

The handful of edited files were 'in use' when I tried to delete them, so I had to go back to a drive image from the 5th.  If I had known that it was going ot be this big, I'd have done a screen cap before I did it. 

I only had one game installed at this time.  Other then the usual windows culprits and EVE Online, and neither Solitare nor EVE use SecuROM. 

[Speed_D]

Fernando Melo wrote...

Godeshus wrote...

Basically
everything you've been saying since the information was published only
BEFORE the game is released. Take care of the problem before it even IS a
problem.

-g

 
Ok, we did provide what we thought was wanted and at the time the questions weren't there as they are now, but fair point on communicating more earlier. 

philbo1965uk wrote...

There is no assumption ..Bioware are using SecuRom DRM.

Your argument and interpretation of it's use... is irelevant to the fact.

Let me make sure I have this - your argument and interpretation is that there are some reg entries and benign files left behind from not thoroughly cleaning up after itself.  And therefore your conclusion is a completely different product must have been installed... even if there is no trace of that supposed product?  But that is not relevant or factual to the argument?

Fernando, I appreciate you trying to help out on this topic, but I think you guys really need to clarify what, exactly, this software does.

The initial post on this thread said "It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed."  It doesn't, simple as that.  The registry entry remains and the files remain.

Nor is this just "benign files left behind from not thoroughly cleaning up after itself".  Try this:

- Install Dragon Age 2.  Let the release verification or whatever you want to call it, do its thing.  If the release date verification succeeds, then:
- Verify that you can launch the game.  Exit.
- Run the SecuROM removal tool (https://support.secu...emovaltool.html).  This cleans up SecuROM's corrupt registry key that you otherwise cannot remove, even as Administrator.
- Try to run Dragon Age 2 again.  Watch as it immediately wants to reinstall the Sony DADC tool.  That, to me, is suspicious.  If the release date verification already succeeded, then this should be associated with that person's registration key on Bioware / EA servers and there's no reason for this tool to continue existing on the PC.

In a nutshell, I'm irritated as a consumer because a) you guys were not straight with us as to what's touching our systems, and none of this was printed on the outside of the PC-DVDROM packaging, so now we're stuck with the purchase.

[Speed_D]

Did you actually check to see if the files are ever loaded in memory? Or did you just find some files and assume they are?  Well, they're not. Not unless they're being used by another game that actually does require Securom. And the registry entries are just like the temp files: leftovers that are supposed to be deleted.  Remove them, and the game works just fine.

  So again: the game does not require Securom to play.  The one-time release check simply shares some code with it, as has been repeatedly stated and confirmed by both Bioware and users like myself who've removed all the leftover cruft and suffered no ill-effects from doing so.

Wrong.  Use the SecuROM removal tool I linked in my previous post and watch what happens.

Modifié par Speed_D, 14 mars 2011 - 04:33 .