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[Garak2]

Maybe Solitaire does use Securom, maybe Microsoft started seeing it show up on every copy of Windows and couldn't figure out why....LOL

[Kloreep]

Thanks for the post Speed_D. It sounds like the release control is pretty closely related to SecuROM indeed. :/

I wanted to duplicate your steps, so I figured out how to revoke the other SecuROM game I already had installed. (So note I expected to find a full SecuROM install from another game; it was not a surprise the un-install tool found things to remove, in my own case.) Then I followed your steps. For me, DA2 does not seem to be using the DADC tool again. The folder in Temp that RYG identified is not re-appearing, and when I run the SecuROM uninstallation tool again after running DA2, it does not find anything to un-install.

What version of the game do you have? It sounds like it's a disc. I have an Impulse version, myself. Perhaps this is a problem with the discs specifically, if there is a difference. (It seems like they should be the same for DA2, but perhaps they are still different in implementation.)

[Speed_D]

Kloreep wrote...

Thanks for the post Speed_D. It sounds like the release control is pretty closely related to SecuROM indeed. :/

I wanted to duplicate your steps, so I figured out how to revoke the other SecuROM game I already had installed. (So note I expected to find a full SecuROM install from another game; it was not a surprise the un-install tool found things to remove, in my own case.) Then I followed your steps. For me, DA2 does not seem to be using the DADC tool again. The folder in Temp that RYG identified is not re-appearing, and when I run the SecuROM uninstallation tool again after running DA2, it does not find anything to un-install.

What version of the game do you have? It sounds like it's a disc. I have an Impulse version, myself. Perhaps this is a problem with the discs specifically, if there is a difference. (It seems like they should be the same for DA2, but perhaps they are still different in implementation.)

I have a disc, yes.

I walked through my own steps just now (again) and couldn't reproduce it.  Something weird going on... it's definitely storing information somewhere local but maybe not checking for it every time.  I'll see if I can install on a fresh machine and log everything that gets written to the registry and hard drive.

Edit: also it could be storing the info somewhere outside HKCU\\Software\\SecuROM... I didn't check into that yet.  I guess a system restore would answer that question if you're bored.

Modifié par Speed_D, 14 mars 2011 - 06:25 .

[doubledeviant]

Posted this in its own thread, but twas locked and I was directed to this thread.  Don't agree with that bit of overzealous moderation, but might as well cut and paste what I wrote:

I preordered DA2 (which can be verified by examining my account) for $60 plus tax.  I am a legitimate customer and NOT a pirate.  As a matter of principle, I don't knowingly buy games with online authentication.  I wasn't worried about this purchase because Bioware/EA chose to respect its customers and avoid this practice in regards to DA:O, and I expected the same in regards to DA2.

(In a related matter, I have not and will not purchase Mass Effect or ME2 until versions w/out online authentication are released.)

I am VERY disappointed with Bioware/EA's decision to force not only online authentication but also an online release date check with Dragon Age 2.  I was not aware that this type of DRM is included with DA2 until I had opened and installed the game.  I authenticated only because open PC games are not eligible for a refund.

As with most games, DA2 was cracked within days of its release; this type of DRM only inconveniences and disrespects your legitimate paying customers.

I shouldn't have to get online and identify myself just to play a game that I paid for;  I shouldn't have to worry if my game will install 5 years from now; I shouldn't have to be treated like a criminal if I'm not one.

To Bioware/EA:  I hope that you're happy having tricked me out of my money.  It won't happen again.  I won't be preordering or purchasing your products in the future if you choose to maintain such disrespect for the people who buy your games.

Btw, I preordered *well* before this FAQ was posted, and I don't check the forums regularly when not playing anyway.

Modifié par doubledeviant, 14 mars 2011 - 06:46 .

[Mage One]

Drax_Lyonsbane wrote...

No, I never even hinted at such.

I am saying that I registered the Signature Edition of the game, all of the free DLC at the same time and in the manner that BioWare deemed acceptable.
There is no reason for the game to connect or try to connect to any server after registration unless I tell it to.

I wasn't aware the game would even try to connect of it's own volition.
Granted, you will not be able to play unless you tell it to connect, verify and register, but even then I have to tell it to connect to whatever server that completes the transaction.

What I want to know is why does it continue to make or attempt to make a connection when the files that required registration and validation were supposed to be removed after it performed those tasks and I have specificaly unchecked the option to automaticaly connect.

Apologies for the misunderstanding, then.  On the first page, Chris Priestly mentions that if there is an internet connection, a game ownership check will be made every time you run the game.  These checks are seperate from the release-date check and are part of a DRM system Bioware/EA made themselves.

[Weiser_Cain]

Mage One wrote...

Apologies for the misunderstanding, then.  On the first page, Chris Priestly mentions that if there is an internet connection, a game ownership check will be made every time you run the game.  These checks are seperate from the release-date check and are part of a DRM system Bioware/EA made themselves.

Why do they need two drm systems? Not that I like the game freezing up at the menu mind you.

[didymos1120]

Speed_D wrote...

Edit: also it could be storing the info somewhere outside HKCUSoftwareSecuROM... I didn't check into that yet.  I guess a system restore would answer that question if you're bored.

Just search the registry for "Securom". I'll save you some time though: if you've removed anything left over from other games or the release date checker, you're not gonna find anything.  Not unless you've recently accessed those keys in the registry (Regedit keeps track of what you key you last looked at), or you've opened some other file with "Securom" in the filename (e.g. a pdf about Securom, or the Securom Removal Tool.  Adobe Reader and Windows, respectively, will remember that you did so).

If you're truly worried, cast a wider net with "Sony". You're quite likely to get a bunch hits on that one no matter what, Securom or not. For instance, if you've got a Realtek audio device.  Throw in a "DADC" search too, if you like.  'Course, given that the registry is packed with hex strings, you're gonna get a lot of totally spurious results on that string.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Mage One wrote...

Apologies for the misunderstanding, then.  On the first page, Chris Priestly mentions that if there is an internet connection, a game ownership check will be made every time you run the game.  These checks are seperate from the release-date check and are part of a DRM system Bioware/EA made themselves.

 My apologies. I was a bit snarky and there was no need, not everyone posts picks of giraff dogs

Thank you, yes I remember reading that a while back but I still want to know the who, what, when, where and why of that check.

As for the securerom thing, I found two instances of files left over, one in the temp folder and one in the registry.
I flushed them and nothing bad has happened so I'm not concerned with that at all.

[Mihai Hornet]

Merkar wrote...

I don't think the different publishers have meetings to synchronize delivery methods of their games.

Ha, ha! Then EA didn't have such meetings for DAO and ME2 either.

To me, release date check is more about showing who's the boss. Like you can start playing the game when we say so and keep in mind that we might put an end to it any time we want.

And they already did it, as seen below they suspended a guy because he dared to criticize EA.

http://social.biowar...59941/1#6460241

"Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as
all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to
abide by and be governed by both sets of rules. Consider it an added
incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow."

"EA may [...] terminate your Account(s) (and access to all related
Entitlements) [...] as determined by EA in its sole discretion."

Heads-up people!

Modifié par Mihai Hornet, 14 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[BillyRage]

Hi all

Just to give my experience on this :
after installing DA2, i only had the two secuRom reg entries, no files on disk anywhere.
I removed these entries today using SecuRom Removal Tool, and everything works fine so far, except that the first time i connect to my EA profile from the game, i have 4 dialogs complaining about discs missing, which is strange.

These warn dialogs don't seems to affect anything 'cause i can connect to my profile, can play the game and i even could grab and install a DLC without problems.

I guess it's one of the bug fixed by the beta patch, the one saying that non existing discs are requested.

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

[didymos1120]

BillyRage wrote...

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

Coincidence. I've gotten rid of the reg entries, and I'm fine, as are plenty of others.  And, a bunch of people were getting the bug before all this "ITS TEH SECUROM!" drama started up.  I.e., while the leftover reg entries were perfectly intact.

[BaronIveagh]

didymos1120 wrote...

BillyRage wrote...

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

Coincidence. I've gotten rid of the reg entries, and I'm fine, as are plenty of others.  And, a bunch of people were getting the bug before all this "ITS TEH SECUROM!" drama started up.  I.e., while the leftover reg entries were perfectly intact.

Yes, it must be coincidence that Bruce Wayne always seemes to vanish right before Batman appears...

[sgriffin0810]

BaronIveagh wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

BillyRage wrote...

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

Coincidence. I've gotten rid of the reg entries, and I'm fine, as are plenty of others.  And, a bunch of people were getting the bug before all this "ITS TEH SECUROM!" drama started up.  I.e., while the leftover reg entries were perfectly intact.

Yes, it must be coincidence that Bruce Wayne always seemes to vanish right before Batman appears...

Quite the coincidence indeed.

[Wintersembrace]

can any one give me the link for the SecuRom Removal Tool

[didymos1120]

BaronIveagh wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

BillyRage wrote...

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

Coincidence. I've gotten rid of the reg entries, and I'm fine, as are plenty of others.  And, a bunch of people were getting the bug before all this "ITS TEH SECUROM!" drama started up.  I.e., while the leftover reg entries were perfectly intact.

Yes, it must be coincidence that Bruce Wayne always seemes to vanish right before Batman appears...

Crap analogy, because it doesn't happen every time.  Didn't happen to me.  You also fail to explain why people get the error WITHOUT removing the files.  Also:

Post Ergo Propter Hoc

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 mars 2011 - 02:41 .

[didymos1120]

hotedge wrote...

can any one give me the link for the SecuRom Removal Tool

Yes:

https://support.secu...emovaltool.html

Just a tip: Google would have been much, much faster than waiting around for someone on here to do it.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

didymos1120 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

BillyRage wrote...

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

Coincidence. I've gotten rid of the reg entries, and I'm fine, as are plenty of others.  And, a bunch of people were getting the bug before all this "ITS TEH SECUROM!" drama started up.  I.e., while the leftover reg entries were perfectly intact.

Yes, it must be coincidence that Bruce Wayne always seemes to vanish right before Batman appears...

Crap analogy, because it doesn't happen every time.  Didn't happen to me.  You also fail to explain why people get the error WITHOUT removing the files.  Also:

Post Ergo Propter Hoc

"This, therefore that" ?

[sgriffin0810]

didymos1120 wrote...


Crap analogy, because it doesn't happen every time.  Didn't happen to me.  You also fail to explain why people get the error WITHOUT removing the files.  Also:

Post Ergo Propter Hoc

It's not a logical fallacy at all. It's fact. There's no need for speculation at all: we know the cause of securom files and registry entries is... well... securom.

Modifié par sgriffin0810, 15 mars 2011 - 03:54 .

[BillyRage]

didymos1120 wrote...

BillyRage wrote...

Still, it's strange that this issue appeared once i removed the reg entries.

Coincidence. I've gotten rid of the reg entries, and I'm fine, as are plenty of others.  And, a bunch of people were getting the bug before all this "ITS TEH SECUROM!" drama started up.  I.e., while the leftover reg entries were perfectly intact.

Ok, let's admit it's a very strange coïncidence then, since it's not blocker issue at all (just annoying).

Bioware seems to have fixed it in the first patch currently in beta status, waiting for the final release to test it.

I just wanna share what i experienced after removing the two reg entries.

[RogueAssassinX]

I am satisfied. I was able to delete the files with no trouble. However, I discovered that another game I own uses SecuROM... and it's a game that is already using a (much better, more consumer-friendly) form of DRM (Steam)! That, my friends, is outrageous.

[kylematthew]

i simply can't get my copy of dragon age 2 to work. i called and spoke to customer service at EA and was given a digital copy of the game, which they told me would work around the securom release date check. however, after waiting an hour and a half to download it, the damned thing still doesn't work. so, basically i spent $64 (with tax included) for Dragon Age 2 for the pc and I can't play it and now have securom on my computer (something i didn't agree to or ask for). What the hell?

[kylematthew]

by the way, it's the 15th of march and it's still trying to do a release date check... but failing and keeping me from playing my game.

[TacPlay]

didymos1120 wrote...

hotedge wrote...

can any one give me the link for the SecuRom Removal Tool

Yes:

https://support.secu...emovaltool.html

Just a tip: Google would have been much, much faster than waiting around for someone on here to do it.

FWI, I have used that tool and it works for most of it, but it leave behind rouge reg keys and values. May want to look into getting rid of those too.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

RogueAssassinX wrote...

I am satisfied. I was able to delete the files with no trouble. However, I discovered that another game I own uses SecuROM... and it's a game that is already using a (much better, more consumer-friendly) form of DRM (Steam)! That, my friends, is outrageous.

So... inquiring minds want to know.  What game was it?!?

[sgriffin0810]

Still trying to justify the outright deception on Bioware and EA's part regarding their use of Securom? This is one brick wall your skull won't be able to bludgeon its way out of.

Check this out: link

Edit: thanks Sblade

Modifié par sgriffin0810, 16 mars 2011 - 07:52 .