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[mesmerizedish]

*cheer*

[Epantiras]

The "login check after a select period of days" is gone. I approve :-)

[LadyJaneGrey]

Epantiras wrote...

The "login check after a select period of days" is gone. I approve :-)

Agreed; my internet access goes in and out.

[PSUHammer]

harvestboygoobus wrote...

No resale, perhaps, but does that really matter at this point? When have PC games been easy to resell in the last several years? I don't think we'll ever see the used PC game market come back on the scene.

I do quite well with it on eBay...

[Girl Goblin]

This is why I wuvs Bioware. <3

[Morroian]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 Physical & Digital PC/Mac DRM are as follows:

• No disc check, you do not need the disc in drive to play.
• No limit on the total number of PCs you can install the game on.
• There is a limit to the number of unique/different PCs that can play the game within a time window (if online) [5 PCs in 24hrs].
• After each new install there is a 1-time online check needed the next time you play, requiring a log in to your EA account to verify game ownership.  If you are a member of these forums, you already have an EA account – just use the same email/password.
• You can play offline thereafter - the game will NOT require any subsequent login checks.  If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play

Thank you Chris and well done Bioware. I wonder if all those people who were going to cancelt ehir pre-order actually did.

[Fernando Melo]

Ariella wrote...
Looking at the DRM info for non-steam, does this mean we'll be able to download night before release?

As Chris mentioned, that's a typo - 1st section is PC/Mac retail and digital. 2nd section is Steam.  3rd section is non-steam release control only (pc & digtal).

But to answer your question, most digital providers that support pre-loading will have DA2 available for download a day or two before street date.

Both retail and digital copies will only 'play' on the street date, however.

Eurypterid wrote...
    If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play.

Chris, what does the above mean? Does this mean if you're on-line you have to be logged into your account in-game in order to play (i.e. you can't log out of your account and play if you're connected to the internet)?

No.  To avoid confusion let's separate the terms online/offline to refer to a general active internet connection on your PC, whereas logging in/out is meant for either the "starting the game up" prompt (on first time startup), or the in-game login prompt on the main menu - so there are two separate login prompts (both use the same account though).

Once you've done your one-time check on the "starting the game up" prompt, then you're done from that side (won't ask you again).  Similar to Steam however, if you have an active internet connection then when the game starts up it'll do a check in the background.  The difference is that you can be offline/no internet after the first time and it'll simply default to let you play (essentially an auto-offline mode, no request needed from your part).

The in-game login on main menu is separate thing, and is used for the one-time DLC authorization, or if you want to have character profile updates to this site - but similarly, after the one-time DLC check, you can play logged out as well.

Let me know if that clarified (or confused more)?

SpockLives wrote...

Chris, what about DLC? If I install the Exiled Prince and other DLC, will I have to be logged in to play? Or will a one-time authentication do it?

DLC works in a similar principle - after the one time check you can be logged out and play. 

Aesieru wrote...

So when I install it AND the internet happens to be out, I will be incapable of playing it because it needs to go online?

Not too thrilled about that.

To be precise, you can install fine (and on as many PCs as you want).  It is when you start the game for the first time after install that you'll need to do the online check.


Other questions:
Will the demo experience be an indicator?  

Short answer is I hope not .  Long answer is that the two are not directly related in 'load' terms so using the demo as a comparison is not really going to help. 

I suppose the closest indicator to what you might expect on the main game will be whether you could login to the demo or whether that was very slow/timing out.  That is the closest to the account authorization process. 

The demo issues of the social site going down briefly and general slow download speeds of the demo from our own links are not as relevant as these are all on completely different (and less beefy) networks/servers to anything related to the main game (including the main game download itself) - so hopefully we won't see the same kind of issues. 

Having said that, there's a lot of moving parts and the entire system is only as fast as the slowest piece - but we're preparing as best as we can for launch day.


Hope that helps - let us know if you have other questions and we'll do our best to answer.
F.

[Arllekin]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Dragon Age 2 Physical & Digital PC/Mac DRM are as follows:

• After each new install there is a 1-time online check needed the next time you play, requiring a log in to your EA account to verify game ownership.  If you are a member of these forums, you already have an EA account – just use the same email/password.
• You can play offline thereafter - the game will NOT require any subsequent login checks.  If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play.

That's wonderfull, thanks Bioware/EA, and thanks Chris for the news! :happy:

Modifié par Arllekin, 24 février 2011 - 07:55 .

[RosaAquafire]

Thank you so much for listening to our requests! This is wonderfully noninvasive DRM, I really appreciate the change from the initial plan.

[Aesieru]

LiamN7 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

Well this version of the drm is better since it doesn't require calls back home every so often.
But since it still requires having an internet connection and registering the game on an account to even install and play it. I will not be buying da2 . I don't believe single player games should require an internet connection for anything. So while these drm requirements are not very heavy. They go beyond what I am willing to do.

While I agree it's tedious in a way, I don't agree with that explanation.

I have no problem with a single online check, and since I'm always online I also have no problem with a constant online check, but I just don't like that you HAVE to do it on an install or can't play because I don't always have internet when I install things.

I never said it was tedious . It could be worse. I don't think I was explaining anything other than how I feel about this drm and that I will not purchase da2 because of it. Internet as a requirement for a single player game to be installed or played is something I do not agree with. It is just that simple.

To refuse to purchase because of something that trivial... that is something that is insane in my eyes.

[Aesieru]

Fernando Melo wrote...

Ariella wrote...
Looking at the DRM info for non-steam, does this mean we'll be able to download night before release?

As Chris mentioned, that's a typo - 1st section is PC/Mac retail and digital. 2nd section is Steam.  3rd section is non-steam release control only (pc & digtal).

But to answer your question, most digital providers that support pre-loading will have DA2 available for download a day or two before street date.

Both retail and digital copies will only 'play' on the street date, however.

Eurypterid wrote...
    If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play.

Chris, what does the above mean? Does this mean if you're on-line you have to be logged into your account in-game in order to play (i.e. you can't log out of your account and play if you're connected to the internet)?

No.  To avoid confusion let's separate the terms online/offline to refer to a general active internet connection on your PC, whereas logging in/out is meant for either the "starting the game up" prompt (on first time startup), or the in-game login prompt on the main menu - so there are two separate login prompts (both use the same account though).

Once you've done your one-time check on the "starting the game up" prompt, then you're done from that side (won't ask you again).  Similar to Steam however, if you have an active internet connection then when the game starts up it'll do a check in the background.  The difference is that you can be offline/no internet after the first time and it'll simply default to let you play (essentially an auto-offline mode, no request needed from your part).

The in-game login on main menu is separate thing, and is used for the one-time DLC authorization, or if you want to have character profile updates to this site - but similarly, after the one-time DLC check, you can play logged out as well.

Let me know if that clarified (or confused more)?

SpockLives wrote...

Chris, what about DLC? If I install the Exiled Prince and other DLC, will I have to be logged in to play? Or will a one-time authentication do it?

DLC works in a similar principle - after the one time check you can be logged out and play. 

Aesieru wrote...

So when I install it AND the internet happens to be out, I will be incapable of playing it because it needs to go online?

Not too thrilled about that.

To be precise, you can install fine (and on as many PCs as you want).  It is when you start the game for the first time after install that you'll need to do the online check.


Other questions:
Will the demo experience be an indicator?  

Short answer is I hope not .  Long answer is that the two are not directly related in 'load' terms so using the demo as a comparison is not really going to help. 

I suppose the closest indicator to what you might expect on the main game will be whether you could login to the demo or whether that was very slow/timing out.  That is the closest to the account authorization process. 

The demo issues of the social site going down briefly and general slow download speeds of the demo from our own links are not as relevant as these are all on completely different (and less beefy) networks/servers to anything related to the main game (including the main game download itself) - so hopefully we won't see the same kind of issues. 

Having said that, there's a lot of moving parts and the entire system is only as fast as the slowest piece - but we're preparing as best as we can for launch day.


Hope that helps - let us know if you have other questions and we'll do our best to answer.
F.

Like I said... I will be unable to play because I don't have the internet...

Not everyone has the internet when they install games... I've gone through many a internet outages where I played games and at times INSTALLED games...

[mjharper]

I'll rephrase my earlier question: If I've bought DAII from an American online store (gametreemac), but I live in Germany, will it activate on the American street date (8 March), or the German (11 March)?

[thehistorysage]

Best DRM for a modern big time title ever! Thank you Bioware!

[xThunderblazex]

Good choice of DRM. I applaud your choice in not requiring the disc to be in the drive in order to play...that was the main reason why I've purchased digital copies of PC games.

[Morroian]

LiamN7 wrote...

To think that internet connection of any kind to play or install a single player game is ok ,especially constant online check is insane in my eyes.  

So those who think Steam is OK are insane.

[xThunderblazex]

Morroian wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

To think that internet connection of any kind to play or install a single player game is ok ,especially constant online check is insane in my eyes.  

So those who think Steam is OK are insane.

Steam is terribad. Anyone who supports Steam/Steamworks is contributing to ruining PC gaming.

[C04L]

This is the best DRM ive seen in a LONG time!

[Sylvius the Mad]

Fernando Melo wrote...

No.  To avoid confusion let's separate the terms online/offline to refer to a general active internet connection on your PC, whereas logging in/out is meant for either the "starting the game up" prompt (on first time startup), or the in-game login prompt on the main menu - so there are two separate login prompts (both use the same account though).

Once you've done your one-time check on the "starting the game up" prompt, then you're done from that side (won't ask you again).  Similar to Steam however, if you have an active internet connection then when the game starts up it'll do a check in the background.  The difference is that you can be offline/no internet after the first time and it'll simply default to let you play (essentially an auto-offline mode, no request needed from your part).

The in-game login on main menu is separate thing, and is used for the one-time DLC authorization, or if you want to have character profile updates to this site - but similarly, after the one-time DLC check, you can play logged out as well.

Let me know if that clarified (or confused more)?

Just one quick question, Fernando.

Does the game, when making that authentication check in the background, make me wait until it is complete before letting me use the main menu and play the game?

I ask because that's what ME2 did.  It would connect to the Cerberus Network automatically whenever I was online, but it wouldn't let me Load Game or Resume Game or anything while it was doing that.  And if my internet bandwidth was already being used by something, that could take quite a long time.

So, by "in the background" do you mean that the online check won't interfere with me playing the game?  Or do I have to wait for it to finish before I can play the game.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Morroian wrote...

So those who think Steam is OK are insane.

Yes, but that's not why.  The forced patching is why Steam isn't OK.